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Submitted by tangles on Thu, 2015-07-16 22:21
for those guys up north please keep n eye out for crew of the Re-Turner.
Local barri boy n good mate mason n chaddy from gero allong w the skip still not found.
Very worried crew here n hoping to bugger they got off the tub b4 she went dwn.
Please if your out fishing keep n eye out.
The boys are seasoned seamen n hopefully have made it to an island.
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just read this now
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-16/search-underway-for-missing-fishing-trawler-off-wa-pilbara-coast/6624234
carnarvonite
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Hope
Not holding much hope for them, was 5 days after the beacon signal shut down before the alarm was raised. Debris and the life raft have been found.
The owner is well known and respected in Carnarvon and Geraldton areas where he has fished for many years.
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?????
Wouldn't the beacon signal be the alarm Carnarvonite?
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Paully
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Was about to
ask the same thing BJ
carnarvonite
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Transponder
Its a transponder that records the boats movements so fisheries can track their progress. All trawlers, shark netters and wetliners have to have them fitted. Would have stopped when the boat went down.
Sounds like it went down very quickly with the liferaft complete with epirb being found. Raft would have been able to float free after hydrostatic coupling released.
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Clarification
Thanks for that, doesn't sound promising. Hopefully they pull through.
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read this in the news
read this in the news yesterday , not looking good with so many days gone by
lets hope it improves & they turn up
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I'm really hoping they find these guys on an Island somewhere but as the days go by, I'm not holding my breath.
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Swompa
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I sail with a bloke who was
I sail with a bloke who was sailing up that way, hit something and before he could get a distress call out, his boat was gone.
He was spotted by a rig crew change chopper in his life raft the next day.
All he had were the clothes he was wearing.
hope these blokes are found., quickly.
Travisd
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who monitors the beacons?
5 days with no transponder?
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dodgy
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Pretty sure that was the
Pretty sure that was the fisheries tracker that is being talked about. Guessing these things fail occasionally and have been known to be tampered with by shonky crews.
No suggestion anything more serious had happened at that point. All they would of got from fisheries was a please explain when they got back to the harbour.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
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Its called a VMS (vessel
Its called a VMS (vessel monitoring system) and isnt for search and rescue its so Fisheries can monitor where a vessel is fishing.
As they are switched off when the vessel is in port, it wouldnt raise an alarm if it stopped unfortunately.
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meglodon
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Fingers all crossed that crew are ok
I'm hoping that the crew are found all ok but from what I've read above it sounds like what ever happened, happened very quickly.
Have they had any seriously bad weather up that way.
Lastchance
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Weather has been absolutely
Weather has been absolutely shocking up here for the last few weeks - 25-30 knot Easterlies each day.
Griffo84
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It's unfortunate because I
It's unfortunate because I wouldn't think any recreational boats would have been in the area over the last week because the weather has been howling a constant 25-30 knts. The swell has also been up which has turned the ocean into a washing machine.
By the sounds of it they weren't that far out to sea. If their gear has washed up on dolphin island I wouldn't have thought they'd be further out than Delambre/Legendre.
Do the right thing and there will be fish tomorrow.
reece
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I worked on prawn and fish
I worked on prawn and fish trawlers out of Samson for a year and a half. The VMS does let fisheries know where you are but they have a lot of problems when theyre a bit older. And sometimes if you want a quick look in an area youre not meant to be to be in, a metal bucket over the VMS aerial will give you 24-48hrs before you get a call on the sat phone. ( apparently)
the main thing with a prawn trawler is you have 2 nets out. One off each boom. If you hook up on the bottom or shoot away too quick and bog your boards in the mud you have to act f$&8ing quick or youre in all sorts of trouble.
I hope somehow every ones on
Any one free to help me pull my drum lines tomorrow?
petermac
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as was showen
your comments are spot on reece , exactly what happened with the Saint Madilenna when it went down of Carnarvon , 6 crew lost
ranmar850
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My thoughts are with the families
We are still on the beach here at Ningaloo , only heard this yesterday. I saw Mason grow up ,and knew the parents of Chad---it doesn't look good.
Rob H
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Murray Turner, from
Murray Turner, from Carnarvon etc-peg leg?
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yep
Its the one and only,
Son wished him well and tossed the ropes off when they sailed from here on their way up. He deckied for him on Conquistador for a season.
Lot of people in town will miss him greatly, he was a good mate.
tangles
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yep
yeah pretty sad dwn here ralph! He was only doin a one trip too n chaddy was getting off so even worse!
Absolutely gutted feeling atm here mate! Feeling pretty helpless!
gib77
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Very worrying situation, got
Very worrying situation, got everything crossed for for a miracle, and these guys are safe....
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Fingers crossed Billy gets
Fingers crossed Billy gets home soon for a hell story time!! Thoughts to the Carters and Fairleys.
burnz
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Thats bullshit that alarms
Thats bullshit that alarms dont go off when VMS goes down. I work on a snapper boat out of Carnarvon and our VMS went down for 2 hours and fisheries were calling the owner of the boat and calling the satellite phone on the boat to find out what was going on.
With Murray just buying and refitting his boat im sure his electronics were all in order.
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may well do but its certainly
may well do but its certainly not monitored as a safety device, and if they rang RCC everytime a VMS "went offline" it'd just be out of control.
Im not up to date with VMS nowadays but normally they get switched off when in port as well so it would be chaos.
Odd thing is that its reported that it went offline at 0100 but one of the crews brothers got a text at 1.37-not sure how often the VMS does a "handshake" though?
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I was told every hour. The
I was told every hour. The 1am ping came through, then the the 1.37am convo, then no 2am ping.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
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Marine Tracker.com.
If you know the name of a boat you can use Marine Tracker.com and find out their GPS co-ordinates.
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only if they have AIS fitted
only if they have AIS fitted and are within VHF distance of a coast station.
I think AIS is only mandatory for 500GRT and over
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burnz
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We have to send VMS a
We have to send VMS a message when leaving port and when we return, probably the same for prawn trawlers. So should be pretty easy for them to see what boats are in and out.
Ours goes down for 2 hours they are all over us, Returners can go down for 5 days and no questions asked... Not good enough.
Rob H
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what fishery are you in?
what fishery are you in?
I think that is only for fisheries that are time managed by fishing days?
We didnt have to when longlining but that was a few years back.
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Did they have AIS? We use it
Did they have AIS? We use it all up the west coast and it works mint
burnz
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Wetlining. Snapper and
Wetlining. Snapper and Mackeral and yes we only have certain days so maybe you are right.
Would still think there is some sort of log on / log off system for them.
Jaggo
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Yep exactly. Just another
Yep exactly. Just another thing to show how useless VMS is. I've seen it go off and a patrol boat get sent out straight away to boats close to major cities yet this happens and fisheries do nothing. Pretty weak really. Happened on a weekend too in which the VMS department doesn't work.
Jaggo
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Quick to write up
Quick to write up infringements but if you press a button wrong or spell a word wrong on it, yet if you sink there's no help. Even on the system I saw there was a red button you could push called a distress/mayday button.
tangles
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questions
I think in time all the questions will be answered but more importantly is to find the vessel where it went dwn and hopefully the boys.
I do think that even tho lot of us have donated money to continue the search w private craft the govt should be coming to the party with open arms to utilise all and any search vessels possible at no expense to the family and friends!
The govis happy to spend money on looking for a stupid airliner from another country yet family and friends now have to pay to keep the search going! That pisses me off more right now!
We want our mates found either way and its gona cost us not the govt.
The rest will be answeredin good time either way.
We need some sort of closure and from losing my cousin years ago at the abrohlos crayfishing I feel the pain of the carters n fairlys.
In the end as commercial fishos we all know the risk of working on deck. Its part of the job! The sea doesnt give up her bounty easily.
Chaddy n hillbilly are legends and will be found either way xxx
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Were thinking bout you guys
Were thinking bout you guys down hear mate all the the love and pray's to the family and friends for a happy ending
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I think it will be found in
I think it will be found in the next couple of days by the survey vessel that has been bought in.
Has been a lot of gov and private assets searching I can assure you tangles.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
burnz
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Only met Chad a few times
Only met Chad a few times when him and Murray were in Carnarvon recently getting ready to head north. Chad tied his dinghy up to the jetty at high tide and as the tide went down he hung his boat, was pretty funny watching him jump in and cut the ropes and drop back to the water. Seemed like a top bloke and Murray is a legend up there.
Yes there is a distress / mayday button on most boats clearly marked with glass screen over it, although none on ours.
All our EPIRBs are water activated aswell, why werent Returners?
burnz
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Not really dodgy, if we went
Not really dodgy, if we went down around the islands near Carnarvon I sure hope there is more than 4 boats looking for us.
dodgy
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Fair few more than 4 but
Fair few more than 4 but I'll leave it be.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
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What boat u fishen on burnz?
What boat u fishen on burnz? Been in the game long?
burnz
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Nah not too long just
Nah not too long just started this year, my brother has been fishing for years cray boats and wetlining. I worked with Carnarvonite's son for a while. Me and my brother work on Terumi J with Drew (skipper).
carnarvonite
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Photos
There are some pics of Terumi J getting a suntan on its bum down in Turtle Bay, could well have been another like what has happened here.
The ring in system for wetliners is to record the time they are actually fishing because they now have a time limit on the catch units, that is the reason why they are leaving at midnight and getting back it close to it so you maximise the time you have available
Iceman
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Tracplus
We have system on our rescue vessels called Tracplus. It allows us to monitor our vessel when underway during searches and long tows. It gives a ping every 10 minutes which can be adjusted whilst underway and every hour when stationery. Only operates when batteries on. If vessel comtact is lost by radio we have an approximate last known position. It works via satilites and i can track our vessels on my Iphone, Ipad or laptop. It also retain historic data from previous days.
The ping provide the GPS position direction and speed
Cost - approx $1500 per boat and 10cents per ping. I believe most VMR group have it now.
Maybe fishing vessels should have this as manditory equipment.
Our prayers are with the families
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I was out on the water
I was out on the water yesterday and i wouldn't have wanted to be in the open ocean for sure. We spotted a black bouy with some gear on it but some marine growth (yes i reported it, it's co-ordinates and a photo to the police) on Sailfish Reef it was black with a green cross on it. If thier nets did dig in with the type of tight chop short swell out there it wouldn't take much to upturn the boat for sure.
Prayers with the family. i agree with the AIS comment too, low cost unit that has real time tracking, software can be set with warning zones on maps etc.
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tangles
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recovery
its now a recovery search. Gutted absolutely gutted. Hoping they find them at least for some closure now.
A sad day for kalbarri andthe carter family here aswell as chaddys family in gero.
2 young legends gonein their primeI
timboon
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Looks like Burnz might have a
Looks like Burnz might have a story for us now.... Second trawler in recent times to run into trouble....
Glad they ok
Sounds like they located the Returner
burnz
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Wetliner mate not a trawler,
Wetliner mate not a trawler, no idea where the media got that from.
carnarvonite
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Trawler
Most of the general public including the media don't have any idea what a wetliner iso them its a trawler or crayboat and nothing in between
burnz
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If anyone wants some fish
If anyone wants some fish there is a couple ton of mackys, rankins, snapper and reds around koks island. Just floating around and in the rockpools you cant miss it.
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You all ok Burnz? No doubt
You all ok Burnz?
No doubt scary shit...
Canarvon do you remember the boys that hit one of the islands at 2 in the morning when the decki fell asleep shooting the gap about ten years ago?
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You all ok Burnz? No doubt
You all ok Burnz?
No doubt scary shit...
Canarvon do you remember the boys that hit one of the islands at 2 in the morning when the decki fell asleep shooting the gap about ten years ago?
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I know the crew on that one
I know the crew on that one well... without naming exact names, macca, muzz and benny were very lucky that night by the sounds of the story... probably a bit exaggerated now but it involves a unplanned midnight swim, one single flare and a somehow never-got-wet packet of ciggies and box of BBQ shapes.
burnz
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Yeah we are all okay. A
Yeah we are all okay. A couple of close calls but only a few bruises and small cuts. The worst part was swimming out to the rescue boat in gumboots.
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iformation filtering
information filtering through. hopefully some closure for the familys
http://www.infogo.com.au/1/pil/?http%3A%2F%2Fau.news.yahoo.com%2Fthewest%2Fa%2F-%2Fbreaking%2F29160749%2Fpolice-divers-find-mans-body-in-returner-prawn-trawler%2F
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very sad news for all
very sad news for all families and friends of the crew... Murray has been a close family friend for a long long time...
My uncle and Murray have been fishing together for more years than I would care to guess.
i reckon shit gonna hit the fan once boat is refloated (if)
Rob H
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??
why do you think "the shit is gonna hit the fan"?
Blame wise?
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
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It's all good Rob... I
It's all good Rob... I shouldn't have written that mate.. A bit pissy last night
not something that should be discussed on open forum.. My reasons for sayin that are pure speculation/rumour and can't be confirmed unless investigated, so until then, I should just shut my mouth and hope for some closure for all involved..
Adam, feel free to delete my last 2 posts here mate..
Howard George
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Coroners Report.
Theres going to be a coroners report on what happened to the Skipper and deckies so until it is delivered not wise to go pointing a finger at any-one to blame.
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Very sad news
Thoughts go out to the family and friends.
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