White Pointer lurking at cott....
Submitted by John_M on Wed, 2010-10-06 17:25
Hi all,
Mate picked up this ray off the cott rock wall today. He also hooked into what he thought was a "great white" of 3m. Saw it cruise past, then took the bait. Line busted him off pretty quickly. Thing just jumped out the water. Pretty scary stuff on day like today, sun out, cott beach, swimmers etc.
heres some pics of the ray..
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stilly
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he kept the ray?? if not
he kept the ray??
if not poor handling by angler
Buz
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Better than holding it up on
Better than holding it up on the end of a gaff. The way he is holding the ray is the safest way to hold a ray, if you really want to hold one at all.
Its always going to be a dilemma with rays off the rocks, cut the line at the waters edge, or bring it up which would usually involve smashing a nasty big hook in their wing.
Believe it or not a gaff placed in the edge of a rays wing to land it is not very life threatening for them. Have caught plenty of rays that have healed gaff punctures in their wings. Not that i am overly proud of the rays i catch whilst chasing other bottom feeders.
seaswirl
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he needed my international
he needed my international 80 SW..lol
Dicey
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Nice catch there, did you
Nice catch there, did you debarb the ray?
JakeB
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Don't see why people debarb
Don't see why people debarb rays for...
John_M
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dunno what he did with guys.
dunno what he did with guys. I personally don't see the point in debarbing rays, or eating them
Dicey
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Some people debarb it so
Some people debarb it so whoever catches it next time doesnt get hurt by it or step on it if they are swimming, the barb grows back over time.
carnarvonite
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Barb
Correction, the barb doesn't grow back. By cutting its tail off you are getting rid of its only means of defence
Dicey
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When i was research on other
When i was researching on other forums there was alot of debate whether they grew back or not, majority points to yes it does and the usual double sided opinions.
scotto
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nope.
they dont grow back mate.
Buz
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If all you do is remove the
If all you do is remove the barb with pliers they will regrow a new barb. But if you remove the whole tail barb and all(like on a smooth or black ray) then obviouly it wont grow back.
Dont really agree with removing the barbs myself. It is some form of defense, but not to a hungry tiger shark or a dolphin who has learned to target rays and avoid the barbs.
brg
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is that guy holding it buy
is that guy holding it buy the eyes or what
Dreamtime
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gill outlets arnt they
gill outlets arnt they
scotto
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2nd nope.
that definately is (or was) its eyes.
gills are on the underside.
Dreamtime
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its not the eyes there are
its not the eyes there are big holes just behind the eyes pretty sure its for breathing when they cover themselves in sand or wat ever they do. they propper name for the holes are the spiracles.
John_M
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yeh my understanding was
yeh my understanding was they were spiracles
cuthbad
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yep, spiracles for
yep, spiracles for "breathing" the eyes are just in front of them. really hope that ray was killed quickly and became dinner if its gona be picked up like that. As for debarbing, i really dont see the point. pretty barbaric and pointless imo
have heard the little eagles like that can make a nice feed, never tried it myelf though
motty
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haha, is it just me or does
haha, is it just me or does he look a little bit too happy for landing a ray in that last pic? hahaha, like you said, hope the ray was dead! and its mouth was CLOSED!!!!
ADAMANGLER
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nothing wrong with eating a
nothing wrong with eating a small ray quiet delishes if the cartlidge is filleted out and rolled in a bit of pepper, salt and flour then lightly fried. Tried one about a year ago, resembled closely to KFC.
Indiana
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Hard up to eat rays
In my opinion if you are desperate enough to eat rays you'll eat anything .
Normal if I'm eating fish , I want it to taste like fish ! .....not chicken drowned in fat .
" IF YOUR NOT GOING TO EAT IT ......PUT IT BACK WHERE YOU CAUGHT IT"
Toby Roe
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Did you get a look at the
Did you get a look at the Great White or was it just your mate that saw it. Also, is he a reliable source as I have mate who thing any shadow at all is a Great White so am usually pretty sceptical about sightings.
John_M
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I didn't see it. Wish I did
I didn't see it. Wish I did :p But he's a reliable source. Die hard fishermen!
daboogeyxen
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contrary to popular belief,
contrary to popular belief, small rays are really tasty if prepared correctly. When i say small i mean like 4kgs MAX (the bigger ones just taste like mud). slap some chilli on and BBQ and theres no turning back from there.
John_M
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second that. small ones are
second that. small ones are good. but I just let them go. most of the time you've caught enough table fish etc
Markie
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my italian side grandparents
my italian side grandparents uncles love sting ray soups dont know why but they ask me to keep them every time i catch one.
fishy fingers
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We used to catch thorn backs
in the uk, that and skate, we used to soak the wings in milk for a while before cooking some used to cook it in milk it was very tasty.
roberta
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Aren't some sting rays
used as cheap so called scallops, they punch holes in the wings and sell them as scallops, only buy scallops with roe on (Gosnells markets used to sell with roe on) , then I know I'm getting the real thing.
We've caught rays in the boat, old fart just cuts the hook out, carefully while watch the barb. He tries and turns them on their back, then get the hook out.
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Shorty
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Plenty of Great Whites swim
Plenty of Great Whites swim along there on a regular basis IMO
DieHard
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Nice... pitty about
Nice... pitty about handling, should have been de-hooked at the bottom of the rocks.
what rod is that? and is casting a problem, or was he ballooning?
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John_M
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Don't think he was
Don't think he was ballooning. hooked it on the retrieve, 15m from the rocks
pudzz
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Yeah should have the
Yeah should have the peramedics on standby ready to give it mouth to mouth...
he just wanted to take a photo of a memorable catch i dont think there is any other way of handling a stingray than that. sure he could have just held it up on the gaff but im sure that would have raised a few eyebrowes.
IMO good handling and great that he through it back so it could swim away good catch!
cuthbad
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just a hand in the mouth
just a hand in the mouth mate, no teeth so even big ones arent gonna mess ya hand up, stick a hand in and theres a plate you can grip quite easily to safely handle them. or alternatively, get it on to the lower rocks, quick photos there and back in the water.
thesupervisor
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ive had rays bite 10/0 hooks
ive had rays bite 10/0 hooks in half no way would i stick any part of my body in its mouth
getting the bottom line final answer from a bunch of blokes that use false names and put smiley faces at the end of paragraphs is not the best place in the world to get the information you seek.
cuthbad
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i think youll find the hooks
i think youll find the hooks snapped due to bending or something mate, ive dragged plenty of big rays around this way, never had any probs. Where they are targetted for sport in South Africa this is the preferred method for safely handling them
Freo_Boi
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Hes posing the wrong way in the second picture
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Tell your mate to buy a 4x4 and go serious beach fishing and he might realise that they are fkin pests instead of trophies!
antsey
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nice catch does anyone know
nice catch does anyone know what that rod is called looks pretty good
MattMiller
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Stingray
is a memorable catch??? He'd think it bloody Utopia in Busselton!
Shorty
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I hear a rumour popular
I hear a rumour popular Southern Bream fisho Deacon Plant was head butted by a 4 m great white on the weekend down south while snorkling or diving,,,
scotto
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really?
can you find out more about that shorty please? I know he does a lot of spearing in some of my favourite places (that im heading to soon...)
Ben Derecki
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All the goss is here scotto.
All the goss is here scotto.
Shorty
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Oh he was leg butted not
Oh he was leg butted not head butted,,still would be bloody scary
Make sure your Shark Shields fully charged Scotto or take some spare jocks,,
On Edit> Head butted on the leg,lol i will get it right,,
Salmo
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had a white circle the boat off Floreat
was maybe 4.5m and 3-4km off the beach...
hopefully no other poor bugger gets taken this summer
dumper
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shit salmo. Thats my goto
shit salmo. Thats my goto spot on november 15. Had a few mates that have been harassed by whites over the years in roughly the same spot at the start of the cray season. Not bad for species thats close to extinction
scotto
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when was that salmo?
when was that? recently?
stylz
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awesome
wht time was this when un saw the shark? and wht day??
Ash stylz!