Who cares about Australia??
Submitted by pale ale on Thu, 2013-02-07 22:26
Well, the Federal Liberal Party float an idea where we stop giving $800 million taxpayers money to overseas countries, and spend this money in Australia. They reckon we could have better hospitals, education and infrastructure in the Northern cities, ie. Darwin, Cairns, Karratha!!!
Good old failure party (Labor / Greens) dont like the idea. Give all our money away. Fuck the poor bastards in Qld who got flooded, we will just have another "one off" flood levy, on the Aussie workers and end up blowing it on admin costs and incompetence.
Really, who are the idiots who support this incompetent bunch of fraudulent failures???
Cant wait until September!!! Ditch the Witch!!
Dizzy
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Just have a look at the sort
Just have a look at the sort of people that become politicians - especially in the main parties.
They're either academic squids, social retards, yes-men or corrupt as f#ck with nothing but personal gain as their motives.
it makes me sick every time an election comes around because I'd rather wipe my ass with that slip rather than tick a box with any of their names in it.
I have a look at what's happening to this country and shake my head in despair - we need a massive change in the way it's run, but the problem is these f#ckers will never let it happen.
We probably all walk past smarter, harder working, more practical, and honest people every day that'd do a better job, but they're not politicians for very good reason ...... Because ....... (Repeat from start of my post)
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cant acree more
Dizzy, that pretty much sums it up mate!
This habit is getting expensive!
sarcasm0
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What does that say about caring for Australia then?
This always gives me the shits and im pretty sure Dizzy and I have had words in the past about politics and government departments.
How do you think Australia got to this point? Perhaps is it that politicians have gotten their way after generations of basic apathy amongst the population to call them to task to do the job they were elected for?
My basic view on politics is that the candidates in your electorate should support the majority views of the electorate. How do they do this? Well they door knock, survey and receive feedback at their offices and at public places and events. Sure they spend alot of time in parliament, but im focusing more on how we can affect change. Do you know who mostly comes into the local members office? Old people, who volunteer, organise, fold letters, make cakes and cups of tea to support their politician at community events.
The local elected representative loves the fact that I come in and see them from time to time because I am 31 and am one of only 2-3 young people who bother to stop by to discuss things. No offence to the elderly but do you really think they are vocal in opposition if the govt puts marine parks in or changes the fishing rules? Its funny though most of the elderly retirement homes around here are in really good shape, good amenities and have lighted crosswalks etc, funny how the local member hears all the time about these issues from his most frequent visitors!
'it makes me sick every time an election comes around because I'd rather wipe my ass with that slip rather than tick a box with any of their names in it.
I have a look at what's happening to this country and shake my head in despair - we need a massive change in the way it's run, but the problem is these f#ckers will never let it happen.'
Instead you would rather bemoan the situation on the internet which is never going to fix anything. You wont speak to your politicians to ask them to make change and you wont become a politician yourself if they fail in making that change. But let me guess, you are happy enough to tell everyone else where they are going wrong even if you wont say it to their face because, you have never even met them.
Dizzy
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Missed this one ......Wrong
Missed this one ......
Wrong on all points mate.
You usually come up with some pretty solid and valid points, even if I don't agree with most of them - but your ASSumptions here are laughable & unfounded and THAT's what give ME the shits.
You obviously don't know me or what I stand for.
I'm no toothless keyboard warrior, and have no problem telling people what I think to their faces and making people accountable.
I actually go out of my way to do it.
I'm renowned in my profession for taking the powers that be to task and making them accountable - and have made fools of certain govt departments prompting regulatory review & changes.
This often causes further issues for me down the line because these pricks get their asses handed to them and then ensure they make subsequent jobs more difficult.
However, there is a minority that DO actually develop mutual respect and have consulted me to assist with similar issues.
It's not just business - I took the cops to court last year over a speeding ticket and beat them single handed on a prima facie detection method (i.e. basically unbeatable),
even after the guy in front of me lost challenging the same cops for the same reason - with a lawyer.
I've never seen so many red faced / frustrated cops in one room. I guarantee the prosecution wished he'd never cross examined me.
No ranting, no raving - just composed facts and reasoning proving I had far more understanding about using the lasers than they did.
Judge recommended new training techniques and education to the police to prevent further embarrassment.
Yes, sorta off topic, but indicative of my principles.
It probably cost me a couple of grand in time / earnings to defend it - all over a $150 fine.
But I'd do it again and again.
On a personal level, I've spoken with members over the years - and get the typical "yes, you've made some good points", but sweet FA gets done about it - mainly because it's their level of management / politics I'm critical of - so why would they ever do anything about it and risk their cushy jobs ?
I've been left feeling like I was talking to a moron more times than not, seriously bewildered at WTF they are doing in that position and their lack of understanding of real life issues.
Many of them are riding on the backs of consultants & better people below them.
Mate, most of these people are jobs because they're absolutely fantastic at telling you what you want to hear and act all concerned to make you feel good.
Even if they are genuine about it their hands will be tied because of expense, internal policy or some bullshit political correctness.
Yet they'll go and spend millions of dollars resurfacing roads that don't need it - all to make sure they use up their allocated funds so they won't be reduced the following year.
NOT ONCE have I had one knock on MY door, so that assumption is a big FAIL too.
Yes, I receive all the flyers and other scraps with people's smiling faces on them leading up to election time.
(Oh, they LOVE posting their faces around, just like Real Estate Agents - another bunch of reputable people......... *cough* bullshit *cough*)
I must admit though, with Colin Barnett's office just across the hall from mine, that timing has prevented opportunities there, but it will happen.
(Besides, we all get sidetracked by breastfeeding mothers protesting on the steps)
So me EXTENDING my "real life" thoughts into a forum It's not Internet bemoaning - it's stating facts, and I'll bet my left nut that there are plenty of others that are equally as frustrated.
The point you're missing is that the topics you encourage others to speak to their local members about are often just those of basic logic, justice, ethics, good & bad, right & wrong.
If they need advice on that sort of thing then there's something wrong.
And regarding the ones I haven't met, there are enough of them on TV lying through their teeth to the whole country (or side-stepping questions to avoid lying) for all of us to judge them by. We'll hear all the lies and spin leading up to the election and then see all the broken promises and backflips afterwards - per usual.
You're obviously a smart, eloquent bloke (apart from your latest ASSumption) - so surely you've been left feeling the same way at some stage ?
Yes, maybe we should enter politics and give it a go ourselves.
Maybe then we could make a real difference.
Like I stated in my previous post, we probably all walk past people every day who would do a better job.
It's been suggested to me a number of times.
But I'd have a snowflake's chance in hell - I've had a wayyyy too adventurous past, shagged wayyy too many women and done wayyy to much crazy stuff as a young bloke.
And due to the mentality of politics we all know that smear campaigns are their first tool to oust someone, so once their weasels had done some digging it'd be all over.
(F#ck me, Buswell got done for being a lad and sniffing a chair so I'm sure a shield on the wall of a football club bearing my name with the most "trophy" pairs of women's underwear in a season would really go down well).
Besides, I have very little tolerance of stupidity, so when crushing someone in an argument doesn't shut them up I find it difficult to restrain myself from doing it physically. :P
Hlokk's reply has it in a nutshell.
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Okay
Ill wear this. Im sorry to Dizzy for all of my misproven ASSumptions and that your local pollie hasnt taken the time to doorknock :D
Yes the situation frustrates me, but no where near as much as the people who badmouth everything but wont raise a hand to do anything to help.
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So how fast "were" you
So how fast "were" you going?
sea-kem
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Just getting away from the
Just getting away from the subject a little. Has anyone seen that movie 'The Campaign' with Will Ferrell? Piss funny and shows you how these pricks probably do operate in the states.
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was there any truth
in YES MINISTER
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I think that was why the
I think that was why the show was so funny Uncle.
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I don't care if its gillard
I don't care if its gillard or abbott for the next term just as long as it's not hung and the greens aren't required to form goverment. Thats what has screwed the country for the last four years.
My fear is that as noone wants gillard and they don't want abbott either that the greens will get even more power. That's scary....
Last time Gillard should have said to the greens we not going to cave into you at all (as they have done), She should have just said you either back us or the libs - your choice.... She may have balls but she didn't use them - Greens were always going to back labour.
Has anyone actually looked at the policies of the greens - they want to do some scary stuff
I bet half of the people who vote greens have no idea what their policies are about - not expecting there would be many on here :-)
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That sounds very accurate!
That sounds very accurate!
Mattb123
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I'll 'fess up - I'm a Greens
I'll 'fess up - I'm a Greens voter (and yes I fish). It is a pretty long bow to draw that somehow the Gillard govt (and before it the Rudd govt) being a trainwreck is the fault of the Greens. From what I understand the independents drove a tougher bargain than the Greens.
The policies are all here if anyone wants to read them. I can't see anything "scary" tbh. http://greens.org.au/policies
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You'll be happy to know Paul
You'll be happy to know Paul the Greens are not doing very well.
Apparently a lot of people are jacked off with not being able to clear around their homes or burn off in colder months leaving fuel loads high which burnt their houses down. The Greens are the ones that drive this policy.
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Blame
For those amongst us who choose to donkey vote or not at all you have no right to criticize whichever side gets in. Your vote might just be the one that decides who it will be so do not waste it.
Bob Brown has seen the writing on the wall and jumped ship from the Greens before they disappear back in to their wilderness.
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Completely agree with
Completely agree with Carnarvonite.. If you donkey vote... You have no right to winge about what happens...
Also, cant believe the narrow mindedness of some people.. You are not voting for Julia or Abbott.... You are voting Labor or Liberal... Its the policies.. not the person.. Sure, Abbott is a bit of a muppet... but what about Julia and Labor.... who knows who's really pulling the strings there..
1 person doesnt really make the rules... its the whole party.. Be stuffed if Ill ever vote Labor again...
On a local note... The nationals claims of losing Royalties for regions if you dont vote for Grylls or whoever (National) is a croc of s..t!!! So what... You might lose Royalties for Regions as a title ONLY!!
Regions will still get funding the same way... Through applying for it for certain projects or whatever... We have always recieved funding... It was just called something else.You still had to apply for it.. If we lose RfR.. You will not lose the money... Do you "honestly" think a local state government would cut off the rest of the state?
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Barnett will
If he had his way Barnett will, jst look at whats been spent in central Perth in recent years, sinking the ralway station [because it was an eyesore and people couldn't walk across to Northbridge] and how many million did that cost, the new harbour development that is cutting off half the traffic flows in the CBD and means getting rid of the Poly Pipe'' safety' emergency stopping lanes to try to ease some of the congestion', Barnetts palace that alone cost $40 plus million because he didn't like the view or something and the latest is something like $60 million to go to improve Scarborough and Cottesloe beach [that are both in his electorate I believe] so the local councils wouldn't put up opposition to him in the next election.
If he could have gotten his grubby hands on Royalties for Regions money he would have spent it as well. IMO he thinks the bush and NW are just there to provide for the city slickers
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Gotta say mate I get
Gotta say mate I get slightly offended when you refer to us people as city slickers. It's your choice to live in the north and like a few have said go and lobby your local member if you're not happy with local progress. One point I do agree with you on is the widening of the tunnel lanes. That is a disaster waiting tio happen. Look what happened in Melbourne no escape lane and people were incinerated.
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So what would McGowan
do Carnarvon?
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Main street
I'll have to put a wish list in that included digging up the abortion we call a main street and putting something user friendly back in, millions wasted on an open drain, speed humps and a handfull of bullrushes.
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In the case
of millions spent in the slickers city, it's a crying shame and a fkn waste of money. It should be developed similar to South Bank in Brisbane, a very user friendly enviroment for all, oh by the way, I do not live in the city...
West Aussies should have a larger slice of the revenue that comes from our mining and other associated industies to increase and upgrade our failing facilities.
What voters should do is take a little more time when they tick their preferance boxes..
Greens are not a good thing for society, they're somthing you should teach your kids to eat at the t table..
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Ha ha I like that line of
Ha ha I like that line of Philosophy Bruce. And to everyone else I 'DWELL' in the city.....
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Its not all bad, we arn't
Its not all bad, we arn't living in North Korea.
pale ale
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How was that shit the NK put
How was that shit the NK put on youtube with America burning in flames.
Are they asking for trouble or what... maybe it was their reply to Team America movie
pale ale
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How was that shit NK put on
How was that shit NK put on youtube with America burning under nuclear attack. Do they have a death wish??
Maybe it was their reply to Team America..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBBsd9JFDZE
sea-kem
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Have you checked out North
Have you checked out North Korea on Google maps?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ
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Last night
I sat next to two Sth Korean girls at Manj speedway and during our conservation they all had a bit to say how extreme the Nth koreans are, all the big missiles etc etc.
What they did mention, regurarly, how nice a country Australia is and to be careful who we allow to live here, funny that.
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spend the bloody money in the
spend the bloody money in the bush. where i come from in the so called tourist area of the karri forrest the road is held together with new pot hole fillings. awesome part of the country, fix it up a bit and explore the bush. not going to cost anywhere near $800million, just spend enough to do a half decent job
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Crezz, Apparently royalties
Crezz,
Apparently royalties for regions was enough to buy each person a Sunseeker boat launch. You need to write to your local member asking where the money went.
In fact, thats what we should be all doing. Writing to our politicians whether you vote one or the other,(write to all on both sides with the same latter if need be(carbon copy them all in)) asking what their policy is on your concerns.
Ask what their plans are. Its unfortunate, but, you do have to fight for your freedom.
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people who spell labor as
people who spell labor as labour should not be trusted to vote......just saying.
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Gone fishing
interesting discussion...but for someone that can't vote due to status I'm going fishing...can't stand all the political BS...definitely reckon some of the money leaving the shore should be used here in this great country tho...Aussie is a good country to live in...living in the NW yes there are things that could be better but it is our choice to reside up here and work up here....for us a small sacrifice for a better future both for us as future grey nomads a and our kids....try living like we do inNZ....won't happen...good luck for the upcoming election....hope whoever gets in has a lite bulb moment and makes some good choices for this country and residence....
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Brendan will be getting my
Brendan will be getting my vote, a very approachable guy who loves to chat about what your issues are and the like. His heart is in the bush and i live in the bush. Because of his political push he has forced a major resource company up here change thier policy on FIFO to include residential workforce. I have spoken with him on numerous occasions when i've seen him and i personally wouldn't trust Liberal or Labor to keep RFR's it's a National's policy so there is every chance that if they lose the balance of power in the houses of parliment it could be cut back or taken away completely. I have spoken to Brendan about not being a local and he accepts that is a risk but being a leader of a political party means you're not out and about too much in your local electorate anyway and thats even harder for any sitting member outside the metropolitan area due to the sheer size of the electorate.
Federally W.A is screwed, with Colin Barnett whinging so much about GST revenue and both major political parties not really giving two hoots about regional W.A because we get so many state based royalties it's really going to come down to which federal representative in your local area can do the most for you (yes i do understand thats what you're supposed to vote for, read above judgemental people) but be honest what has your federal member done for you lately in W.A? two parts of SFA!!!
dammit i got sucked in to a politics discussion, persoanlly well done everyone for getting it to 100 comments without it shutting down, very grown up of you all.
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Well said Bruce :)
Well said Bruce :)
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If you believe strongly
If you believe strongly enough in your right to fish, hunt/shoot, 4WD and similar past times, without UNDUE hindrance by authority, then vote Shooters and Fishers Party in the upper house. In NSW they have shown what can be done, with two members in the upper house. As has been stated before, vote for whatever party you would want to see form government in the lower house.
Make no mistake, the Greens and their supporters have a "lock it up" mentality and are not opposed to pushing their views on others.
Mattb123
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SOrry I'm getting my replies
SOrry I'm getting my replies all in the wrong place. I don't get the green hate here tbh?
big john
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Marine Parks
Continual erosion of rec fishing ground through marine parks which would account for half the worlds marine parks by square kilometre.
OR
Using lies, deceit and dubious science to push for said marine parks
OR
Policy aim to end all recreational hunting in Australia
OR
Policy aim to end all duck hunting in Australia
OR
Leveraging labor to establish a carbon tax for the warm fuzzy factor, no other reason. My power bill's gone up a shit load.
OR
Policy aim to ban live exports. Would kill the northern pastoral industries.
OR
Policy aim to ban the use of any animal in a circus, even shetland ponies.
OR
Creating fire storm disasters by policy aim of banning backburning
OR
increasing our overseas aid budget to 0.7% of GNI.
That's a few points from the first policy area, I didn't both reading the other 4.
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Mattb123
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I don't expect anyone to
I don't expect anyone to agree with all the policies adopted by the party they vote for... heck even most MPs don't agree with some of their own policies. I'm just looking for the scary ones?
big john
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???
Well were do you rank banning people from doing current law abiding activities just for shits and giggles? It's about removing personal freedom.
All illegals to be processed and assimilated into the community within 30 days is a scary one for me, with full access to welfare etc. Maybe you've got room in your backyard to house a few.
Instead of increasing overseas aid, how about we spend it on the elderly and the people doing it tough in Australia.
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I tend to agree with you big John
I know why they won't do it, but they definately should. It would show alot of respect to where we came from if they did!!! 1 step back, 2 steps foward. But I guess they wouldn't understand that. Unless it was stepping on someones head or toes to go forward.
And they probably go home, wondering why people hate them.
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Mattb123
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The Greens have been part of
The Greens have been part of Government for 3 years and no one has forced the ALP to ban all forms of hunting or the use of shetland ponies in circuses. Like the SFP... as parties get more votes their policies will moderate as the majority will not tolerate the absurd ones.
YOu can hardly blame the Greens that the elderly and others doing it tough don't get treated as you would prefer. You can blame the libs and ALP for that.
I note the Aim 11 from the Greens policy on older people:
"A decent income for all older people, including an adequate age pension."
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Aim
They are explicit policy aims for the party, what more needs to be said.
Do you seriously think Tony Burke would be going as hard as he is for these marine parks if the greens weren't helping juliar and the gang hang onto power?
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If we are looking for whacko
If we are looking for whacko policies some morons have this:
S&F 5.0 Population Limits and GrowthS&F asserts that in order to limit the population of Australia to that which can be sustained within current environmental and resource limits, the Commonwealth Government should place an immediate moratorium on (all) new immigration applications. Such moratorium to remain in place until the Commonwealth has carried out an audit of Australia’s natural resources, in particular, water and energy, and until a referendum is held to set the optimum population levels.
Annual immigration levels shall be set so as to regulate maximum population to the mandated limit.
big john
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?
Personally I'd rather that than open slather for everyone who gets here in whatever way.
A statement about whacko's and morons coming from a greens supporter, now that's an oxymoron.
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Mattb123
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maybe... but it is not open
maybe... but it is not open slather now. The greens do not say "abandon the elderly and those doing it tough". They are called false dichotamies. Shooters and Fishers appears to be ultra conservative folks who like fishing and hunting. I may pass them a vote if they were just folks who liked fishing and hunting. I'd rather lose some fishing rights than risk having someone in the balance of power who is a raging redneck conservative with no stated position on anything that actually matters to Government. I'd be more likely to vote the Katter party - I like that they have candidates with massively different positions to eachother - quite refreshing.
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Not now
But as stated, that is a green policy aim.
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Mattb123
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what - it is a stated green
what - it is a stated green policy aim that we have an open slather immigration policy? Where does it say that.
I do note it is an SFP aim that you can hunt on any public land. lol.
big john
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Tit for tat
Matt, i'm not doing Tit for Tat. You asked me what green policy I didn't agree with and I've answered.
What do you think will happen if the green policy aim of all immigrants (illegal or not) being resettled within 30 days of arrival and granted full access to centrelink, housing assistance comes into effect?
Do you think that will DETER immigrants or do you reckon it will act like a beacon for all of them to head open slather for Australia.
BTW. As a law abiding firearm owner I'd love to see a Game Council set up like NSW for hunting on public land in WA. I'm also not a redneck, I do however support Collingwood.
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big john
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Report
Also looking forward to reading your first fishing report on fishwrecked
OR
maybe this is the type of fishing you like to do. In that case you've hooked up...
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Mattb123
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Ha I think I'm on the end of
Ha I think I'm on the end of the line myself:)
Greens voter AND Docker's fan here AND unable to snag a Tailor at Floreat Drain when 200m down the beach they are catching veritable feasts... evidence points to me being not the best judge perhaps.
Anyway I've enjoyed the discussion.
big john
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LOL
You've upset someone then with that double.
Best thing is footy kicks off tomorrow (albeit the NAB Cup).
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barneyboy
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no mate,
If I blamed anyone, it would be people who think they are hot s@#t and don't give a f@#k about anyone else but themselves.
As a democratic society, and the so called government being a voice for Australian people, they do very little and hear very little of what Australian,s need and want. Be it liberal, labour, green or national.
I think that an independant with enough money and the right ideas, both theirs and other peoples, would be just the ticket in getting this country,s issues sorted out. But that,s just my opinion.
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
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That sounds vaguely like
That sounds vaguely like North Korea.
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Clearly you do not understand
Clearly you do not understand the basic principle of the Westminster system.
50 +1 gets something done = laws passed!
Anything less = fail.
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umm.. ending the ANZUS treaty
umm.. ending the ANZUS treaty , telling the yanks to piss off and then to significantly reduce our defence budget ...thats scary
“Intelligence is like a four-wheel drive. It only allows you to get stuck in more remote places.”
pale ale
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Last Saturday afternoon in
Last Saturday afternoon in Canberra, an aide to Kevin Rudd visited the Bishop of the Anglican church in Canberra .
He told the Bishop that Kevin would be attending the next day's Mass and he asked if the Bishop would kindly point him out to the congregation and say a few words that would include calling Kevin a saint.
The Bishop replied, "No. I don't really like the man and there are issues of conflict with the Anglican Church over certain of his views."
Rudd's aide then said, "Look, I'll write a cheque here and now for a donation of $100,000 to your church if you'll just tell the congregation you see Kevin as a saint."
The Bishop thought about it and said, "Well, the church can use the money, so I'll work your request into tomorrow's sermon."
As arranged, Kevin Rudd appeared for the Sunday worship and seated himself prominently at the forward left side of the centre aisle.
As promised, at the start of his sermon, the Bishop pointed out that Mr Rudd was present.
The Bishop went on to explain to the congregation,
"While Mr Rudd's presence is probably an honour to some, the man is not numbered among my personal favourite personages. Some of his most egregious views are contrary to tenets of the Church and he tends to flip-flop on many other issues. Kevin Rudd is a petty, self-absorbed hypocrite, a thumb sucker and a nit-wit. He is also a serial liar, a cheat and a thief. I must say, Kevin Rudd is the worst example of a Christian I have ever personally witnessed. He married for money and is using his wealth to lie to the Australian people. He also has a reputation for shirking his representative obligations both in Canberra, in Queensland and overseas ...
The man is simply not to be trusted."
The Bishop concluded,
"But, when compared with Prime Minister Gillard, Kevin Rudd is a saint."
Doooma
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Here is some food for your thought
http://www.pursuitofhappiness.com.au/index.php/liberty/is-slavery-by-the-government-really-the-price-for-freedom/3731/
Doooma
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Shouldnt this thread be moved
Shouldnt this thread be moved to the political section and not in 'fishing discussion'??
pale ale
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Found this
So here’s what Julia Gillard and Bob Carr have given away, of your money, since theAustralia Day long weekend, the weekend when tropical storm Oswald smashed Bundaberg.
February 11 2013: Gillard contributes $15 million to rehabilitate 40 kilometres of main road in South Tarawa, Kiribati, which has been undermined by coastal erosion.
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February 4 2013: Gillard contributes $5 million to the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) South Sudan.
February 4 2013: Gillard contributes an additional $3 million in humanitarian assistance for people are still reeling from the impact of Typhoon Bopha in the southern Philippines.
31 January 2013: Bob Carr today pledged a further $10 million in humanitarian assistance for people affected by the worsening conflict in Syria.
30 January 2013: Bob Carr today pledged $15 million to provide better access to education for the boys and girls of Myanmar.
30 January 2013: Bob Carr has pledged $5 million in humanitarian assistance for Mali and the surrounding region to assist hundreds of thousands of people affected by conflict and food insecurity.
25 January 2013: Gillard provides a further $2 million to the United Nations World Food Program (WFP).
25 January 2013: Gillard announced a further $2 million to help (Fijian) children get back to school in the first term of the school year following the devastation of Tropical Cyclone Evan late last year.
So between the Australia Day long weekend and 11th February 2013, Gillard & Co has given away $57 million to various foreign aid beneficiaries. I’m sure the Queensland flood victims could have used the $57 million to help them out?
In all about 4224 properties were damaged with 2302 deemed uninhabitable. More than half of those uninhabitable properties, about 1321, are in Bundaberg.
And to really rub salt in the wound, on 8th February 2013, Gillard reprioritised up to $375.1 million in Official Development Assistance (ODA) in the 2012–13 financial year to support asylum seekers waiting to have their claims heard in Australia. The support will cover food, shelter and other essential items.
The reprioritisation represents a small portion (around 7 per cent) of Australia’s total aid program, which is still expected to reach around $5.2 billion in the 2012–13 financial year and is consistent with the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) Development Assistance Committee’s (DAC) Reporting Directives.
Only Labor would treat fellow Australians like this. It makes me wonder what Queensland did to Labor..oh yes Labor was decimated in the State elections. Co-incidence or is it that they just DON'T CARE
Busted Arse
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Whether you like it or
Whether you like it or not...........IT IS PART OF OUR OBLIGATION AS MEMBERS OF THE UNITED NATIONS TO SUPPORT THE CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS AND ITS MANDATES AND POLICIES.
In the end it doesnt matter if its a Labor or Liberal government. This is the second time ive said this.
Its bloody ridiculous that you have made this out to be only a Labor policy to "waste" money overseas. Im pretty sure if I could be bothered doing the research, the Howard government would also have made its fair share of donations to humanitarian causes overseas, the most obvious being East Timor, the Tsunami disasters, maybe Solomons Islands?
In fact the goal to target an investment of 0.5% GNI to foreign aid commenced in 2005 under the Howard Liberal government yet Labor still wont even reach a target of 0.38% of GNI.
What your post also fails to point out was that last year the Labor government chose to defer its foreign aid commitment targets by 12 months in attempt to return the budget to surplus and save the government a few extra coins and was heavily criticized for it by humanitarian groups. I dont believe Australia will come anywhere near John Howards dream of delivering 0.5% in foreign aid.
In 2012 Australias contributions towards the United Nations Budget was only 1.933%
Below ive copy and pasted some more light reading for you and hopefully wont hear anymore about the subject from you Pale ale.
Part of the Preamble from the Charter of the United Nations
- to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom
- to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,
Article 4- Membership in the United Nations is open to all other peace-loving states which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.
Article 55With a view to the creation of conditions of stability and well-being which are necessary for peaceful and friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, the United Nations shall promote:
- higher standards of living, full employment, and conditions of economic and social progress and development;
- solutions of international economic, social, health, and related problems; and international cultural and educational cooperation; and
- universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion.
Article 56All Members pledge themselves to take joint and separate action in co-operation with the Organization for the achievement of the purposes set forth in Article 55.
Some more light reading can be found here http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/index.shtml
Busted Arse
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/As
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Asia-Tsunami/Howard-promises-1-billion-in-aid/2005/01/05/1104832180468.html
Check that out dude! Lil Honest Johnny Howard gave away a Billion dollars to a bunch of slant eyed islamofascist darkies!! I hope you got real upset with the liberal party when this happened Pale Ale!!!