Who cares about Australia??
Submitted by pale ale on Thu, 2013-02-07 22:26
Well, the Federal Liberal Party float an idea where we stop giving $800 million taxpayers money to overseas countries, and spend this money in Australia. They reckon we could have better hospitals, education and infrastructure in the Northern cities, ie. Darwin, Cairns, Karratha!!!
Good old failure party (Labor / Greens) dont like the idea. Give all our money away. Fuck the poor bastards in Qld who got flooded, we will just have another "one off" flood levy, on the Aussie workers and end up blowing it on admin costs and incompetence.
Really, who are the idiots who support this incompetent bunch of fraudulent failures???
Cant wait until September!!! Ditch the Witch!!
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Indeed. Lets elect a
Indeed. Lets elect a different incompetent bunch of fraudulent failures! That'll fix it!
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My thoughts exactly
muppet Abbott - inspiring stuff.
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You prefer $800 mill being
You prefer $800 mill being given away? I prefer to see it spent in Australia. Especially as I live in Karratha and have seen the poor state of our facilities.
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When the Liberal Party was in
When the Liberal Party was in power they were doing exactly the same thing as Labor as far as donations to other countries goes. Its all part of the diplomacy game western countries do on the international stage. Why we do will be beyond what we understand as far as geopolitical motives, planning and strategies goes.
In fact what exactly did Johnny Howard do during his long tenure especially when he had control of both upper and lower house? For the loyalty we've shown Big Barry Haase we got stuff all in return because we are a safe seat. Only Marginal and independant divisions benefit from pork barrelled funding and perks goes.
Ive never been a Nationals supporter but no party has done more for our region has then what the WA Nationals have done at state level holding the balance of power. Its a shame many people arent aware that WA Nationals are independant of the Nationals. What we saw last federal election was both Labor and Liberal conspiring and making a deal to put no preferences towards the WA Nationals rep for Durack.
We should do what O'connor did to that mouth breather Wilson Tuckey and give both major parties the big finger.
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plus !
yep i agree with that
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Royalties for regions all the way for me, bout time some of the money earnt in the bush goes back to the bush.
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+1
Royalties for regions is great, Brendon has done a great job. Now all we need to do is to kick the foreign workers on visas out and employ all the Aussies wanting to take their place. Gets tiring listening to drunken Irish boys in the NW hating on this country then flying out on their RnR to Bali to spend their cash.
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Royalties for Regions
Brendon has done a great job - Where would that be?
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My backyard
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One
I know they've done quite a bit in Exmouth, town mall redevelopment, town streetscape redevelopment, town sporting groups funding (cricket and netball that I know of), paid for a large chunk of the exmouth game fishing clubhouse, nearly rebuilt the whole of the district high school and additional 50 pens in exxy harbour. Dunno what else, all stuff I thought was pretty good that probably wasn't going to happen otherwise, on that basis they'll get my vote.
Alternative for the pilbara is ex greenie Kelly Howlett.
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Well meaning but well shy of
Well meaning but well shy of the mark is Kelly. I like Brendan Grylys. Good bloke that actually delivers to the country.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
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yep ditto Brendan GrylsWhile
yep ditto Brendan Gryls
While city dwellers dont like it, they also get shitty on their one trip a year to Exmouth/Coral Bay/Broome [insert any town not between Joondalup and Mandurah] and find there is no nursing post/doctor/hospital/public toilet etc etc that they take for granted within a couple of km of their home.
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Stuff the politics , all I
Stuff the politics , all I want to know is whether Kelly is married
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Good chance
Can't see her 'waiting drinks' at the Mermaid.
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Married...no.She is certainly
Married...no.
She is certainly well meaning but as the Port Hedland mayor the general feeling is that she has let her town down.
Lots of large projects in town have been very poorly managed and the buck stops with the boss.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
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I know who paid for most of the EGFC club house
And it sure as hell wasnt the government.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
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*sigh*
I don't know when you're going to catch on!
Much of the money spent overseas is targeted spending by the Australian government to reduce the numbers of asylum seekers that come over here by improving O/S conditions.
No doubt it even works out cheaper than shooting them at the border as you would have it.
But then you get your knickers in a knot over them coming here as well!
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Farken LOL
How do reckon there initiatives are going at border protection Till? Surely your taking the piss if you think federal labour is doing a good job at that.
Totally dropped the ball, not to mention the eastern seaboard being flooded with illegally imported handguns.
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+1,
And I reckon a potential +20,000,000.
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Comments
Any comments on this issue Till?
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Sure. I think even the name
Sure.
I think even the name ``border protection'' is totally loaded.
Most of the people that come here are legitimate asylum seekers and they're totally over-politicized.
Why aren't people bleating about the larger numbers of people that come in and illegally overstay, but via airports?
Umm because mostly they're whiteys.
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I'd say it is mostly because
I'd say it is mostly because they come here with money, skills, and work for their keep.
They dont just turn up expecting everything to be handed to them on a plate.
Also, they are better at assimilating into the Aussie way of life - less likely to form gangs and rob / rape terrorise the community.
How the hell do these illegals end up with mobile phones etc?? If I wanted to get a mobile, I would have to show ID eg license etc.
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I guess we're just going to
I guess we're just going to have to disagree!
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Lol @ Till... I like that
Lol @ Till... I like that this resolve lasted about 18 minutes:)
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Just because they come in
Just because they come in illegally via the airport, rather than a boat DOES NOT MEAN that they are any more likely to work, or have skills.
Asylum seekers have extremely limited access to welfare once they get to Australia.
Can you offer any proof that there is a higher incidence of rape amongst any particular group than another? For example the Sydney gang rapists, were 2nd generation Australians to largely well-regarded Lebanese migrants with jobs.
I think you're a small-minded racist and a bigot, just the sort of people that get caught up in the electioneering we're presently faced with; appealing to the lowest common denominator.
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Lol
It's a discussion on a forum till, the only one looking small minded and bigoted is yourself.
This is Australia, different opinions are okay.
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I'm looking like a racist and
I'm looking like a racist and a bigot because I can back my argument up with fact instead of the latest crap from some right-wing spin-cycle.
Sorry for wasting my time.
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below is acopy of a real
below is acopy of a real letter from the dept of immigration explaining a refusal of a tourist visa to aguy who owns his own business etc,
so you can decide for yourself how easy it is to arrive at an airport in australia and overstay , the type of persons who might do it , and the types of reasons why others might choose to travel via many countrys and travel by boat , arrive with min documents etc, if your even abit dodgy , which method gives you the better chance of success and staying here with gov help , legal aid etc ??
Dear Mr xxxxxxxxx
Thank you for contacting the Immigration and Visa Section at the Australian
Embassy in xxxxxx in regards to your application for subclass 676 visa.
Immigration and Visa Section records indicate that you lodged your
application on 15/09/2011. A decision to refuse you a visa was made on
27/09/2011.
There are various legal requirements that need to be met by all applicants
before a visitor visa for Australia may be granted. The legal criteria for
the grant of a visitor visa require, among other things, that the applicant
meets Australia health and character standards, have adequate funds for
support for the period of the visit and that the applicant intends a
genuine visit to Australia. When deciding whether or not an applicant
intends a genuine visit, visa-processing officers must take into account
relevant considerations such as the applicant’s personal circumstances,
incentive to return home, financial situation and ability to support
themselves while in Australia. The likelihood of an applicant overstaying
or seeking to remain in Australia is also assessed.
You are welcome to lodge a fresh visitor application should you consider
that you could provide additional information to satisfy the decision-maker
that she intends a genuine visit.
If the decision–maker is satisfied that the applicant’s expressed intention
only to visit Australia is genuine and they meet all other statutory
requirements, the visa will be granted.
I hope this information is of assistance to you.
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would it be because
their legit, for the most part when coming through airports?
till
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No.There are more illegal
No, they're not legit.
There are more illegal entries to Australia via the airports than via boats, its just easier to focus on the boat people.
To quote PhD by Malcolm Mackellar at CDU;
This thesis is a study of some of the schemes used by illegal immigrants to circumvent Australia’s visa entry requirements. The most visible form of illegal entry was by small boat via Australia’s northern approaches, and from 1989, until it was stopped in August 2001, a total of 13,475 people had entered Australia illegally by this method. But by far the greatest number of migrants to have entered Australia illegally over the past two decades came through our airports via the insidious technique of visa misuse. This misuse was a byproduct of Australia’s visa entry requirements which are based on procedures which can be manipulated, processes which can be fabricated and documents which can be forged.
To quote the National Observer;
This illegal immigration has two sources. First, it has been revealed that large numbers of visitors arrive at Australian airports who either have false identities or who receive temporary visas which they over-stay.
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Discrepancies
www.arts.monash.edu.au/mapping-population/statistical-trends.php
In the period 2002 to 2008, illegal immigrants arriving by boat was running at about 3% for all illegal arrivals.
In 2009 to 2011, illegal immigrants arriving by boat have increased to about 45% for all illegal arrivals.
As for 'whiteys' (your words) illegally arriving by air, I hate to burst your bubble but in the period 2008 to 2011, the top 5 countries who accounted for 48% of all illegal immigrants who arrived by air and then applied for protection visas were China, India, Pakistan, Iran and Egypt.
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You miss the point of the
You miss the point of the other PhD - many arrive and DON'T apply for visas, they just stay anyway.
Oh and I say that mostly they're whiteys and last time I checked, 45% was below the required 51% for that statement to become untrue.
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Pacific Solution
I did notice in the link you attached that the only method that was successful at putting a halt to illegal boat immigration was John Howards 'Pacific Solution'.
Pity it got torn up by Labour.
One thing that always worries me about these poor boat people (predominantly young males) is if they can afford 10k to pay a people smuggler, why can't they afford a plane ticket and come on holiday and not leave aka your scenario.
Is it because they wouldn't pass the fit and proper person assessment to enter Australia by plane? Don't worry, its a rhetorical question.
All illegal immigrants should be turned around or put back on the planes IMO. Coming through the proper channels is the way to go.
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``Proper channels'' is simply
``Proper channels'' is simply total poppycock.
It was made abundantly clear, to anyone that wanted to be informed, there is in fact no queue to enter Australia from Afghanistan because you can't enter the embassy to claim status because the location of consular staff is a secret.
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Embassy
This embassy?
www.afghanembassy.net/
Doesn't look to hard to find to me.
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I will assume that is
I will assume that is humour.
For clarity though, I mean the location of the Australian Embassy in Afghanistan.
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LOL
Where fighting for those people, why would we want them coming here rather than fighting with us?
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just my two cents worth ,
just my two cents worth ,
first ill be voting national , royaltys for regions is agreat thing ,
second, for all the crap about the visa overstayers who arrive via our airports,
have any of you tried to get a visa to australia ??
it aint friggin easy , you have to jump through alot of hoops if your a legal citizen of another country to get a visa to even visit australia , let alone work or live here, it takes a long time to get permanent residence here if you arrive legally
i dont have too many problems with the people who if they have managed to get alegal visa to arrive in australia and then they overstay , at least we have had a lot of info about them before they got here , to get approved , they must have been reasonably clean and supplied alot of info
if they overstay they arnt able to get all the free shite these boarder jumpers do and then complain about
it is much cheaper to get a legal visa to enter australia , than to pay people smugglers,
so question is why dont the asylum seekers apply for a legal visa, and enter via our airports ??
cause they wont in many cases pass the criteria to get one , something in the background is suspect
why would you spend 10k and wait /travel overland via so many countrys to australia if you where acceptable to apply up front , get your visa and fly in via an airport / customs ??
not rocket science is it , why are they mostly men , ??why would you not send or at least bring your family with you if you where so scared for their safety /lives ??back in the home country ??
it is not unreasonable for all australians to expect the gov of the day to have control of our borders and be able to satisfactorily verify /screen who comes here ,imho
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Good stuff HezzAnd the ones
Good stuff Hezz
And the ones who dget granted assylum are probably full of shit liars. There was a show on TV a few months ago, dealing mainly with the Sri Lankan queue jumpers. They interviewed them, and it was obvious they were trying to get a free ride on the taxpayer.
Comments like "Australia pay for me to get education, and then I can bring my family to Australia" were stated by these young Lankans in the so called "queue".
I dont mind helping those who really need it.... but be buggered if we can afford to let 3 million freeloaders into our country to sponge off of the taxpayer.
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Someone said not long ago
Someone said not long ago Royalty for regions was enough for each of the recipients to buy a 30foot Sunseeker boat.
Many of the areas such as Busselton have some wonderful new carparks under the scheme but are not really a region that produced the revenue. They may be anticipating extra tourism but no one wants to get in the water and fishing is soon to be banned along some of its beaches especially where homes front the beach for some reason. SCIENCE?
Some of it is to educate muslim kids so they have an understanding Western culture and not want to blow Australians up. (Very simplistic explanation combined with poor humor)
The other type of foreign aid can be Australian products from Australian companies for improved infrastructure.
At the end of the day my personal view is Bob Brown believes in a One World government. Right now the United Nations is doing a horrible job of utilising your money. They constantly criticise Australia, but are happy to take your money or address the source of 40 million displaced people instead do lots of watching.
You cant lift people out of poverty. They have to want it. Corruption is a big part of it. Once up and out of poverty many of them will put their boot on your childs face on the way through. You dont want to know how much money Gillard spent getting AU on the security council.
At the end of the day if we go to work to have too much tax given away overseas people lose enthusiasm in work. Socialism is that at some point you run out of other peoples money.
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I know Julia's been a bit
I know Julia's been a bit naughty with a few porky pies here and there...but hey , she just slipped $800 bucks into my account
...with that sort of $ incentive/bribe there'll still be alot of ..I don't give a shit punters ticking her box ...
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That's a bit disappointing
That's a bit disappointing to see Chris, rather short sighted. Jmo
Burley it and they will come.
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Not me.. I'll be blowing my
Not me.. I'll be blowing my nose on every phamphlet they shove in my face.. my meaning was there's quite a few people who unfortunately have to vote that don't care and will only consider getting some coin as their priority...
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Sorry misread
Yeah mate spot on. Sorry I misread what you had written. The people who vote like that is exactly why democracy is a joke in Australia. Yes we all have a vote but the idiots who become sheep and vote by what the candidate said the day before or as you say a few pennys in the bank are the ones ruining this country. There is no doubt that corruption is everywhere in politics but to make the best what we can control, people need to think who is the better manager of our country. I was told a while ago that after the last election, the top 7 ministers in the labour party (Gillard, Swan, Shorten, Wong etc) had a collective 14 years of business management experience compared to over 130 years I think it was of the opposing liberal ministers at the time. No wonder they buggered everything up - they had no idea what to do right from the start!!
Burley it and they will come.
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Your still payin that $800
Your still payin that $800 off Chris with interest :) Its on the Australia credit card.
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My only problem with foreign
My only problem with foreign aid is how it's doled out. From what I hear the bulk of the money goes to the UN but where from there? If I knew it was going to the poor buggers displaced from war and other poverty stricken people I'd be happy. But it just seems to get diluted through the hands of the corupt govs of these countries. We have a moral obligation to help poorer people than ourselves because let's face we're a fairly well off nation. As for a levy to help flood victims I reckon it's a good idea so that most all of us are helping. It's better than passing around a hat. Don't worry Pale Ale these pollies are all tarred with the same brush.
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The carbontax goes overseas
The carbontax goes overseas to nations with lowered emissions like nuclear ones.
Gillard subsidises coal with taxpayers money puts a carbontax on it and sends the money overseas. The only one paying more for electricity is you.
That doesnt really improve Australias carbon emmissions does it; sending your tax overseas.
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Big Bad Barry
Wonders will never cease to amaze me!! The man with the white jeans and big hat who hasn't been heard for the last 3 years, Barry Haase, finally gets his name on the ABC local news for 5 seconds. The only other mention of him was in this column. Says a lot when he's supposed to represent our electorate.
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The reason they give so much
The reason they give so much money to countries like Indonesia is to keep them in their country, fighting a war/invasion with these people with the small army we have, would be fruitless. Not sure what the alternative is though.
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Part of it TryMyLuck was some
Part of it TryMyLuck was some C13 planes to patrol their coast for people trafficking boats leaving.
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Part of it TryMyLuck was some
Part of it TryMyLuck was some C13 planes to patrol their coast for people trafficking boats leaving.
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Pale Ale, I must have missed
Pale Ale, I must have missed it, but have the Libs actually come out with a firm policy position that they are not going to give any money in foreign aid or investment? This is their 2010 policy http://www.liberal.org.au/sites/default/files/ccd/Foreign%20Affairs%20Policy.pdf
"The Coalition will increase foreign aid spending to 0.5 per cent of our Gross National Income by
And this is what Abbott sais in an interview yesterday: "QUESTION:
Any idea about how to pay for these incentives? There’s some suggestion this morning that foreign aid could be cut to pay for extra infrastructure for instance, in northern Australia.
TONY ABBOTT:
Well again, the idea of a specific redirection of foreign aid in that way is not going to be our policy."
2015-16.
It will also consolidate our aid efforts in the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean regions and will focus
on the quality and rigorous administration of that effort."
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Dunno, I just heard it on ABC
Dunno, I just heard it on ABC Radio yesterday. When we have thousands of Aussie families who lost everything in floods / fires etc. I think we should be donating to our own taxpayers / business' than handing out billions to other countries. We have big complaints up here in Karratha about doctors / lack of doctors / non english speaking doctors / waiting 7 days to get a consultation. You should read the Facebook pages with people bitching about poor service.
$800 million would pay at least 800 doctors wages in Karratha.
We only need about 10 more doctors
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That may well be true, but I
That may well be true, but I think you've picked up on a soundbite throught bubble that will not be backed up by Coalition policy. They hope you'll vote for them because you now think they would be the most likely to introduce such a policy position... but they will not.
for 1/10 of $800 million I wish I was a doctor:)
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Wow Mate
I would love to be one of the 800 Drs at $1 000 000 per year!!! I would have a better boat than my Trailcraft 5.4, and would only have Stella's and Tiagra's onboard.
Dont know Where you get that $1m wage, but if you can find out I am about to move from Karratha to whoever pays that much.
This is from GP Australia site - "
Australian general practitioners earn good money, with the actual amount dependent upon the nature of the practice and the hours worked. In general practice there is also the opportunity to run your own medical practice if you choose. All this with flexible hours and the choice of practice style!
There is some that earn higher, but they normally have some other interest other than Family Medicine.
There is limited support in Karratha from a scheme designed to provide housing. It has a pool of houses, and limited finances provided by the Shire, Woodside and Rio. Once the houses are filled then it is very difficult to recruit Dr's. If you earn $200K a year, and pay $2000 a week rent, then you may aswell go and work for any company up here and get a house, and be better off.
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When I was growing up my old
When I was growing up my old man instilled the strong belief in me that you should look after the people in your own house first, everyone else comes a distant second. I don't see why this should be any different but then I don't pretend to understand international politics either so maybe I'm just being simplistic.
Just because I smile & nod does not mean I believe the crap coming out of your mouth.
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Suggestions
OK, so who does one vote for? Gillard = Big No, not sure anyone will. Abbott? Absolutely not, he is a muppet. Can't bring myself to vote for him, even if all the other candidates were Osama bin Laden. Greens? Don't think so. Nationals? Like a vote for them from a metropolitan area is worthwhile (and the whole Pork Barreling thing gets at me. Not denying the regions deserve some govt assitance, but to blatantly extort it like that?) So who does that leave? If anyone can offer me a realistic suggestion I'm all ears.
Unfortunately I think Hlokk's comment at the start is right on the money.
BD.
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New bumper sticker: "Don't
New bumper sticker: "Don't blame me, I voted informal!"
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Love the West!
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``If voted changed anything,
``If voted changed anything, they wouldn't let you do it''
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Aboard
Get aboard the SFP, at least you may have a chance of NOT losing more marine areas to the pox that is 'marine parks' in Australia.
You can still vote for any moron in the lower house, I understand some people think of their party as their footy team, so they will never change their views. Fair enough, we do live in a democracy.
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till
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There is no way the Shooters
There is no way the Shooters and Fishers Party will my vote until they drop the rubbish from their platform.
big john
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Policies
Just had a re-read of the policies outlined on their website.
Which 'rubbish' dont you agree with Till?
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till
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S&F 4.0 Obligations of
S&F 4.0 Obligations of Senators <-- mildly amusing, shows a total naivete WRT the political process.
S&F 5.0 Population Limits and Growth <-- referendum on population levels, I LOLed.
Pretty most of everything in this document;
http://www.shootersandfishers.org.au/files/3/2824941773/position-statement---society-and-service-delivery-version-3rd-february-2011-.pdf
Dropping homophobia and ethics education is stupid.
Drugs and harm minimisation: seen whats going on in Portugal? They do the opposite, and it works.
Crime: ho hum, that is a judical issue, not a legislative one.
Fireworks: I mean who really gives a F**k about fireworks?
Personally I think the party's platform is just a grab-bag of right-wing rubbish tacked onto lets go huntin' an fishin'
big john
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No problems
No problems with any of that myself Till, especially the link you provided that you almost totally disagree with.
I reckon getting numeracy and literacy right in schools is a bigger issue than homophobia and ethics. As a teacher myself i've got no interest in that rubbish, its also not something thats pushed in WA either.
Parents do need to take some responsibility and if homophobia / ethics was pushed on WA schools, the parent uproar would be interesting.
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Mattb123
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No way I could vote SFP. Far
No way I could vote SFP. Far more people fish than vote SFP, so the other parties are probably more representative of your average fisherfolk than the SFP. Is it an SFP or an SF and a bunch of unrelated conservative clap trap Party. If the policy was "we will back the elected government on all isues other than those directly related to shooting and fishing, and here is our stance on those", then I'd consider it.
meglodon
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Ain't it the truth
Now that's the truest statement on this topic that has been made to date
chris raff
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Agree there BD ...I
Agree there BD ...I tentatively nominate Dick Smith for president for a couple of years ...and bench this current mob..." Give em the flick and vote in Dick "
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sarcasm0
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OK IM GOING TO YELL THIS
No, not really but im going to say this one more time, after this im over it. For Christs sake, do you live in Lalor(Vic) - for Julia Gillard or Warringah(NSW) - for Tony Abbott?
If not then you CANNOT vote them out of their electorate. What you can do is vote for the people up for election in the electorate you are currently enrolled in(If you are enrolled to vote?). From there it is up to the count and if the other people in your electorate agree with your views and that of the person you voted for.
You would be far better off actually contacting your local politicians, state and federal, to establish their personal platform on issues and supporting them on election day based on who you believe. Many of them are open to speaking to people from their electorate about issues they care about and can pass on and discuss your issues in the party room, which can actually lead to positive change, as opposed to commenting ad nauseum on an online forum.
Browndog
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Not yelling
Yes, you are correct, but unfortunately they will be bound to vote along party lines. So after all the consultation and listening, they have to vote how they are told. Sad but true 99% of the time, I can't remember the last time there was a conscience vote on anything serious, say like....oh I don't know, a republic? (Thanks Johnny.)
BD
Paully
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Well that's it then
shop shut,close the thread.
Mattb123
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I Don't agree. There is no
I Don't agree. There is no point voting in a local member you prefer rather than voting for the party you think has the best policies, and possibly how much you like the leader (and hence P.M.) So I think you are being pedantic as local votes can and do have an impact on who gets to be PM, and which party gets to rule.
meglodon
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anyone know if the hunters and fishers party
is there a party registered in WA called the hunters and fishing party or some name like that.
till
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Yeah, but they are even more
Yeah, but they are even more socially conservative than the libs!
big john
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Shooters and Fishers Party
Till can still vote for Mark McGowan and labour in the lower house, but it would be good if he voted the SFP candidate in the upper house.
SFP aren't trying to run the state from the lower house, just have a say and some leverage where legislation gets passed in the upper house.
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bitten
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ill just have to laugh when
ill just have to laugh when abbot gets in and all our mining and offshore jobs start going to overseas workers on visas it will happen then we will hear xyou whinge
and you can kiss enterprise agreements goodbye we will be forced back into workchoices allbeit by a different name than last time
Adam Gallash
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huh
What do you mean start going overseas? 3/4 of this office already speak in another language and send their money straight back o/s and they have no problems telling you that either. You missed the 'boat' mate, not many others have during this last electoral period...
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big john
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Argue
Hard to argue with that observation Adam.
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Fathom
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In our team of 12-15 workers
In our team of 12-15 workers in the NW I am the only one that speaks English....they can speak it a bit but refuse to do so. My job is to write out the paperwork and interperate the plans ( I cant speak Croation)...the whole crew on that mega project know what I have to put up with....not for much longer though
bitten
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probably a fair point not in
probably a fair point not in my branch of the offshore industry yet allthough they are trying very hard the MUA is making it difficult as we do
barneyboy
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And yet another decky waits..........
haha. I am going to keep my opinion to myself this time.
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
bitten
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how about you share your
how about you share your opinion rather than making vague meaningless comments
barneyboy
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thanks tough guy!!
lighten up mate!!! Find your sense of humour!!
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
barneyboy
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well bitten, seeing as you asked, here goes!!
I don,t think that it is right that we didnt get the chance to vote for the current PM with this being pushed through without the consent of alot of Australians. The Prime ministers that followed after John Howard have stuffed all of the hard work that the Howard government had done.
Australians should care about Australia, but these days all that people care about is lining their pockets full of money, with an "I don,t give a f@#k" attitude that goes with it.
This government has made the cost of living, expensive, to the point where the 'average joe' has to either work away from home or work really long hours, just to survive.
This absence in a relationship, be it a partner, a parent, a mate, a team member, ceases to exist, causing a break down in society. I have noticed. Have you?
So we cannot thank them for that!!!
So where is your valid point Bitten?
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
till
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You never get to vote for the
You never get to vote for the PM in this country, so that is really ``business as usual''.
barneyboy
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till, I am not really sure what you mean
Do you mean we vote for that party by voting for that person?????
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
till
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Well, we vote for people that
Well, we vote for people that may also be representatives of a party.
We never for for the PM, only the constituents of their electorate do that, so I wasn't sure what point you're trying to make.
dodgy
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Sure you vote for a pm. If
Sure you vote for a pm. If the party doesn't win enough seats they sure don't stay in power.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?