dying shark saved at ammo jetty
Submitted by uncle on Sun, 2013-02-17 18:57
here we go again, channel 9,divers rescue 2 m. tiger shark stabbed with a knife and thrown back,they found it at night on the bottom,sure to do us fishos alot of good,f...... morons, maybe time to close that place for a while or undercover fisheries officers
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till
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http://fishwrecked.com/forum/
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/good-work-woodiesboysp
^^ same as this thread.
Dizzy
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Except this one is still
Except this one still has the OP content ;). (For now)
till
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Ahh weird, mine was cached,
Ahh weird, mine was cached, so I didn't realise that someone deleted the content.
Adam Gallash
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wasnt
Wasn't the mods this time, well not that I know of. Sounds like I missed out on a bit of hooha
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till
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Weird, because the post also
Weird, because the post also included a comment that anyone reading it could call the poster anything he liked, because he was immediately away on swing and read it when they got back.
Fathom
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You know
Is this about the Tiger shark on the jetty photo that I gave some advice about?
Leemo
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closing the place won't
closing the place won't solve the problem. It will just happen at the next jetty along.
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chris raff
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Yeah the kid stuffed up
Yeah the kid stuffed up ..should've lead it down to the beach for pics ..after the hammering he has copped , I'd say thats stained in the brain . To save the grief the better option would have been to smack it a few times over the head with the pacifier then dehead , defin , skin and gut it and put it into some vacuum packs... But a shark disposal /processing vid isn't as catchy as a " graphic shark rescue vid "
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Buz
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Dont get the whole "stabbed
Dont get the whole "stabbed with a knife" thing.
Could the divers/news have mistaken the 'knife' wound for a gaff wound or possibly a foul hooked wound?
Just i would have though if someone would go to all the effort of catching a shark only to stab it and throw it back to die, that they would probably be the type of person to also take its jaws as a 'trophy' if their intention was for it to die anyway?
till
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The other post suggested it
The other post suggested it had been gaffed, it also included a scan of article from the local rag.
Buz
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Ah ok. That would make more
Ah ok. That would make more sense that this is more a case of a catch and release where the release could have been a bit better.
till
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Pretty much what it looked
Pretty much what it looked like happened.
diver albie
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couldn't open the link till
was it same as the"little tiger" on the brag board, sorry couldn't a get link to it in this post
TheJettyRat
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The media diving for stories
The media diving for stories now.
Subaquatic
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So its OK if the media dont
So its OK if the media dont report it?
TheJettyRat
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I should have added a
I should have added a
snapper_seeker
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Hey guys not having a go but
Hey guys not having a go but I fish down there and I was there fishing for sharks when this shark was caught, I just want to clear up that this shark was not stabbed with a knife or anything similar. We gaffed it in the lip and brought it up and then got a photo under the light and then released it. The media reported that it was stabbed and ' dumped ' back in the water , when really it was not stabbed and what we saw, swam off. I understand this shark ws in a bad way but the shark was treated with respect.
lawndered
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Yep Snapper
Snapper that what I read you guys say in the original post, the news story I think only came about because the divers contacted chanel 9. You caught the fish and released it as best you could, no harm...
meglodon
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thank you for clearing up a wild story
thanks for giving the other side of the story, it truely amazes me the way some people will add a bit of non fact to spice up a story especially the newspapers
kmo
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Don't blame the divers
The divers say in the article that another fisherman told them that the shark had been stabbed, so the divers didn't say that they had any proof that it was. The shark did clearly have some blood on it, which was mentioned in the little tiger thread on this forum. If you were told it was stabbed and then found it with blood on it, you would believe that it was stabbed as well.
I'm not disputing the story from snapper_seeker though, he was there and I wasn't.
sea-kem
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Seems this all boils down to
Seems this all boils down to catch care. The fishers thought they were doing the right thing but obviously need to take a lot more care by not just dumping the shark off the jetty. A walk down to the beach and swimming the shark out would've been the thing to do. There are other landbased fishers on here, ask the questions you young blokes there's no shame in it. Hell I'm an older fool and still ask the odd dumb question. It can save you a lot of grief and embarassment as is happening now.
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snapper_seeker
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Yeah cheers guys it was
Yeah cheers guys it was pitch black down at the beach so we didn't beach it but next time we will try to swim it, we thought that because it was a smaller tiger it should be ok to land/release from the jetty, I don't know the guy who told the divers that it was stabbed but I can confirm it is not true
derko5000
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snapper seeker i reckon maybe
snapper seeker i reckon maybe u should just keep it for a feed next time. they taste great, i wouldnt have thrown it back. an that way u dont have to cop all this crap these sooks are throwing at ya.
antsey
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We do our best to release all
We do our best to release all the sharks we catch.. Some dont survive because they are tired aftera long fight or there gut hooked.. Or even have thrown up there guts, i always release my sharks that i catch even blacktips and little bronzies.. The divers down there cause alot of problems. Taking peoples crabs out of there pots, getting ib the way of fisherman and even cutting lines, and they try pick on us boys for something we cant help if the shark has been injured during the fight it should be taken home.. But remember the legal size limit for tigers is 1.8m, fisheries have been to my house about shark fishinh and even if the shark comes in dead it must be returned to the water.
Buz
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Tigers Sharks having a max
Tigers Sharks having a max size limit????
Firs i have heard of this. I thought it was only Whalers that did?
e.g
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Species/sharks/Pages/Shark-recreational-fishing.aspx
Tim
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Buz read the paragraph under
Buz read the paragraph under the pic of where to measure the 700mm interdorsal length.
Explains it all there
Buz
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Ah roger, sadly lacking on
Ah roger, sadly lacking on the observation tonight :P
carnarvonite
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Not Alone
You are not alone there Buz, I got caught on the same thing a week or so back, still got the bruises where everyone jumped on me.
snapper_seeker
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If anyone has seen the whole
If anyone has seen the whole Danny green incident, the last thing us boys at the jetty need is another case of keeping oversize sharks we already have everyone against us so we will continue to do everything legally. As Pecotic (Antsey ) said we do our best to release the sharks we catch.
cuthbad
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Im sure ill get jumped on for
Im sure ill get jumped on for saying it but catch care seems to be an issue that comes up quite often regarding ammo jetty. Snapper seeker I dont think gaffed and dragged up onto the jetty quite counts as "treated with respect".
Those of us who enjoy shark fishing are always in the spotlight. The idea of catching and releasing sharks from places like busso jetty is just bloody stupid.
Not sure why there are so many photos of sharks lying halfway down ammo jetty with a statement that the shark was released, but if you cant safely and easily walk a shark down to the beach to land it there, fish somewhere else....
carnarvonite
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Well said
Well said, I thoroughly agree with you and I'm sure lots of others feel the same way
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Chris fish
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Exactly!!! I may have plenty
Exactly!!! I may have plenty of great spot but unless I can safely land the shark I simply won't fish there. Go kayak baits off the beach next to it or something because there is no way to release a shark or land it properly on a jetty meters above the water!!! I hope they knock the jetty down as it look like its causing way to many problems and as cuthbad has said anyone that fishes for sharks does get negative comments but we still have to do our best to do it properly so we won't get criticized for what where doing and killing sharks is exactly the kind of attention we don't need!!
always looking for a new challenge!!
Dizzy
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Cuthbad's on the money -
Cuthbad's on the money - there ain't no care & respect jetty fishing for sharks.
A token release is pointless if the extra thought and effort isn't put into the catch technique & location to ensure it's got the best chance of survival.
Great post mate
barneyboy
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This is where fisheries could spend some of our hard earned
money. Angler education on handling and releasing fish, the right way.
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
antsey
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Deffinetly not the easist
Deffinetly not the easist thing to beach a shark especially on weekeneds when youhave the whole population of asians in WA there.. I try and beach all the big sharks i catch.. Doesnt always work out i lost a 3m+ tiger trying to beach it the other night.. Handle snaped on my tyrnos.
crasny1
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Man it seems you are
Damned if you do, damned if you dont.
Keep the fish and get bashed, release it and get bashed.
Why bother posting because someone is going to slam you either way.
I feel for the young ones TRYING to do the RIGHT thing. Just leave them alone when they are trying to do the rightie. Yes we can teach how to do it more correct, but why pick on them. The only ones that where there is them, and cudos for trying.
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cuthbad
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Crasny1, the point is poor
Crasny1, the point is poor catch care seems to be the norm at ammo jetty. No one is gonna bash anyone for releasing a fish, but if you gaff it, drag it up onto a jetty then release it thinking it will be fine, you are kidding yourself. Someone posted the other day explaining that sharks dont have bone as such, only cartilage, and are easily damaged by lifting all their weight from a single point. You may see the shark swim away, but that doesnt mean it will live.
We all go through a learning curve in fishing. When I started catching and releasing sharks I did some things wrong, same as most people I assume. But I was quickly shown the right way and in turn ive helped others work out how to land and release sharks and rays without a gaff. In most spots if you do the wrong thing, someone will quickly and politely point it out and there ya go, sorted. If you were to gaff a shark for no reason and try to release it in any of the metro spots I fish you can bet it wouldnt take long for someone to have a chat and explain catch care. Not everyone does the right thing, but the vast majority do, because this is what is expected.
It just seems that at ammo jetty this mentality doesnt exist. Time and again we see pics of sharks and rays pooring blood on that jetty on not just this forum but all over the place, with people claiming they swam away strong. As stated above, the jetty gets so busy you cant land the shark on the beach. My answer then is dont fish there. Learn how to cast or paddle your bait, get away from the crowd and fish somewhere else.
Heres just a few posts from a few minutes of looking where catch care is an issue at ammo jetty;
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/little-tiger
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/heads-members-fishing-ammo-jetty-and-elsewhere-sharks-and-rays
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/tiger-shark-caught-woodies
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/friends-ammo-jetty
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/ammo-jetty-what-dump-irresponcible-fisher-people
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/ammo-jetty-today-saturday
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/little-tiger
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/couple-sharks-last-few-weeks
EDIT: and yes, if its legal size and you choose to keep it, no worries. I keep a couple each year for a feed. So if your gonna target legal size sharks and you wanna keep it, then by all means fish ammo. But if your using kilo size baits and its too crowded to land the shark on the beach, maybe its not the best place to be fishing.
sea-kem
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Awesome Cutbad. You are the
Awesome Cutbad. You are the kind of fisho these younger guys should be takinga lead from and asking questions to.
Love the West!
grantarctic1
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Sums it up
Well said Adam, pretty much sums it up as far as treating your catch with respect. We all have made mistakes but if you take time to listen to others advice we can improve so much.
I have had the pleasure of fishing with cuthbad and a few others at the north mole, and being an old fart i still learnt a few things of the guys . Cuthbad spent most of the night personaly releasing every stingray caught by us and even helped other fisho's, before they stuck a gaff into a ray they were going to let go .
I was impressed by the effort to release unwanted captures with as little stress to the animal as possible, and have adopted that way of handling ray's myself.
Cheers Grant .