Words of advice sought - pics added
Submitted by Cruise Control on Mon, 2015-09-28 16:06
OK - so I decided that today was the day to do the wheel bearings. Everything was going swimmingly until the last wheel where I could not loosen off the wheel nut on one stud.
Looks like the stud is rotating in the hub. So no worries thinks I. I'll just take the whole wheel off to do the bearing and then I can sort the stud. Nope, disc brake hub is held on by brake calliper. Loosen off the caliper but can't get it off because wheel rim is in the way.
So I put it all back together and retreated inside to post this. Can anyone offer any advice as to how I can loosen this wheel stud, this is a little beyond my limited experience !
cheers in advance.
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Vinesh87
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Cut a slot in the stud to
Cut a slot in the stud to suit a big screwdriver(grinder). Insert big scredriver or more like a screwdriver with a multigrip to hold it. Then turn the nut with spanner and bar!
Stupid wheel bearings, did mine today. Shouldnt have bothered haha
z00m
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If you have a wheel brace (x
If you have a wheel brace (x shaped one is best), just put the brace over the nut and lever it up and down until the nut breaks off. You're going to need a new nut and stud no matter what you do and you can wheel around with one lesss nut if you need to in an emergency.
Vinesh87
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Never tried it but they
Never tried it but they wouldnt be enough play would there, just round the nut off ?
z00m
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It does work, but not in
It does work, but not in this case with the alloy wheel and recessed nuts.
Marineboy
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Wheel stud
like vinesh have said get the grinder our with one of them thin cutting discs but don't just cut a slot keep going to cut the nut in half, easy
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Vinesh87
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Yeh that works too if the
Yeh that works too if the nuts not all the way in the wheel unless you wanna buy a new wheel!
stevebw23
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dremel
Maybe a dremel with a small metal cutting bit to cut the nut off? picked up a dremel from bunnings the other day $50 with a heap of tips included, engraved all my work tools with it, not a bad little tool to have in the shed.
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ranmar850
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If the stud is rotating
You could be up for a new hub anyway. Either the splines on the stud are stuffed, or the splines in the hub. I'd be using a grinder with a thin disc to cut the stud off from the front,then find out which of the two problems you have.My bet is that the hub will be stuffed, as the cast steel of the hub is softer than the steel of the stud. Off to Martins Trailer Parts...
Cruise Control
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It's going to be a tough gig
It's going to be a tough gig to get a grinder in there to either cut a slot or grind off the end. I take it that if I grind off the end I need to then punch it through the hub to get it out ?
Can the stud not be welded to the hub so that it can be undone ? Is there not some fancy welding gear that can weld these two different metals together ? I have already accepted that the hub is stuffed but not really a big cost anyway. Problem is that it's on an alloy rim so I am trying to avoid having to replace that as well.
Any and all suggestions welcome.
cheers
Vinesh87
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Post some pictures mate!
If theres a enough room to weld it couldnt you get a set of multigrips on the bolt?
Post some pictures mate!
carnarvonite
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Brute force
Use brute force, hammer and cold chisel. Cut down each side of the nut as close to the stud as possible then peel the remains off leaving the stud clear.
Use a lump hammer or gimpy to really give it a wallop and if you miss it will give you something to moan about with flat fingers.
Cruise Control
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Pics added to original post.
Pics added to original post. It's going to be very difficult to get anything in there. Unless somebody has a trick, I could be up for a new alloy rim, let alone a new hub - yuk.
Sea-weed
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Oxy
use an oxy cutting torch and blow the back off the stud. Looks like it would be tight but it might fit. At least you would save the rim.
Vinesh87
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Should be able to cut the
Should be able to cut the back of the stud off grinder/dremel/ hacksaw?
Cruise Control
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OK - have spoken to a couple
OK - have spoken to a couple of people about how to resolve. It is very close in there and difficult to get any kind of tool into the inside of the hub to work on the stud. Therefore, the best course of action is to use a MIG welder to apply a solid tack of weld to the stud and the hub.
This should create enough resistance to fix the stud in place and enable the wheel nut to be undone.
Anyone know anyone who has a MIG who could do this, preferably mobile as not keen on towing with bearing being a bit suss.
Moral of the story, never allow rattle guns to be used when doing up wheel nuts !
cheers
ranmar850
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Oh, alloys
That sucks, hate them on boat trailers. Welding a tack on the back of the stuid would be the best way, as someone said.
johnno67
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Drift
Use a punch or a drift and hit the end of the wheel nut quite hard a few times with a decent hammer this will normally spread the thread on the nut they are only cheap chrome nuts and spread quite easily put a tack on the back of the stud before hitting
meglodon
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Why a mig
Just curious, I thought a good old decent tack with a stick welder would do the trick.
Cruise Control
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To be frank, I wouldn't know.
To be frank, I wouldn't know. One of the mechanics I spoke to suggested a Mig - would a home arc welder be capable of laying a bead across a high tensile bolt and onto the cast of the hub ?
If this is the case a mate actually has an arc welder so we could give that a go and see if it works. I will ask some more questions.
cheers
sea-kem
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More than capable Bruce as
More than capable Bruce as long as he has the amps up to around 100-110 use 2.5mm rods to burn it in.
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carnarvonite
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Stick weld
Weld the back of the stud with a stick welder and once the hub is off grind the weld off to replace the stud
sea-kem
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Where are you Bruce? I have
Where are you Bruce? I have mobile welding gear. Pm me if you need help
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Dan_9
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Jam something between the
Jam something between the straight edge of the wheel nut and the rim. Centre punch the face of the wheel nut and drill it out. Keep drilling until the thread is drilled out.
Cruise Control
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Cheers everyone for the
Cheers everyone for the responses, thanks to some good advice I reckon I might be sorted. Bloody certain I wouldn't want that to happen on the open road.
mrwinta
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Drill
You could always drill the end of the stud off?? just make sure you use medium speed and light oil/ cutting fluid.... That saves too much heat input and might save the hub if it is not stuffed already- try not to grind near the boat if you can but if you do then give it a good clean down after as the carbon grinding sparks/ dust can create rust spots on the paint.
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