4x4 which one

 after a bit of advice from people in the know. 

were looking at getting a 4x4 ute to carry a slide on camper and tow the boat . prob is i feel we might need a cruiser or patrol to cope with the weight. allowing around 900kg on the back and boat close to the 2000kg. thinking the smaller ones might struggle a bit too much . unless we can get upgraded suspension. then the other prob would be fuel consumption . along with the budget wont be huge so got to be a bit older around the 2008 up 

any positive info would be great on any vehicle. 

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Yep, Cruiser or Patrol

Fri, 2019-06-28 18:43

 You are correct, its going to take a Cruiser or Patrol (or F Truck ) to cruise comfortably and safely with that combination, especially when you load up with fuel, water, gear, food etc etc.  

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Dodge RAM

Fri, 2019-06-28 20:25

Dodge RAM 2500 is another option, or as mentioned an older f truck

to get real benefit, upgrade your car licence as well.

I’m looking into something similar but we tow a van

actually, have you looked at a canter or nps Isuzu?

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 I think if you have 900kg in

Fri, 2019-06-28 23:38

 I think if you have 900kg in the back plus passengers, most of the smaller utes will be over max GVM or pretty close to it. 

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 O8 you will be getting into

Sat, 2019-06-29 02:04

 O8 you will be getting into early v8 70 series  good cars  good power for towing  don’t get a 1hz 79 for towing that amount of weight. It will struggle up hill

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Have a look at this recent thread

Sat, 2019-06-29 07:50

  fishwrecked.com/forum/tow-vehicle-2   itstarted ut as a specific request, and went way out there. But it does have a few replies on what the whole GVM, GCM and BTC relationship means. it sounds like you have exactly the same reqirements as I originally hd, ie, want a camper  type accommodation and need to tow the boat. I had bought a heaslip slide-on, and needed to tow what turned outo be every bit of 2 tonne with a 6m Qunitrex navigator loaded to the gunwhales with gear.  Remember that your towball weight counts as payload. I bought a 2000GU 4.2T Patrol ute with an extended chassis. Only problem with that, now, is that those older Patrols had a BTC of 2500kg. Why? Absolutely no idea, the BTC of a vehicle is just what the manufacturer says it is. Later Patrol utes were 3400kg. Power- wise, it does the job, no mods apart from a 3" exhaust and a good dyno tune. I have towed that 6m quinnie from Kalbarri to Denham with a 1HZ engined landcruiser ute, and it was definitely inferior. Did the job, just not as well.

I'm guessing you are going to need a dual cab, unless you intend to use this purchase as a second vehicle, and put the excess people the passenger car? Need to  know really, before recomendations are known. 

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 cheers for that. no need for

Sat, 2019-06-29 09:28

 cheers for that. no need for dual cab as only Sandy me and our small dog. the camper were looking at is like a small caravan that sits on the tray hence only single cab. also ute will be my daily driver and doing 150 ks per day for work i gotta also look at economy

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 for the cost of a decent

Sat, 2019-06-29 10:12

 for the cost of a decent cruiser then all the hassle of upgrading suspension ...being borderline on tow weights etc and using this for a daily 150km travel I would seriously look at (as backlash has suggested ) a canter or Isuzu truck

drive on normal drivers licence,  carry what ever else you want and get a cheap to run daily.  then have dedicated camper set to travel with no hassle of getting camper on and off (or carting the extra ton on a 150km /day daily)

sure it would work out a cheaper option.   

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 prob is we would prefer to

Sat, 2019-06-29 11:29

 prob is we would prefer to have a 4x4 . when on trips away there is places you would like to go that a normal vehicle just wont go

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Light trucks come in 4x4  but

Sat, 2019-06-29 13:09

Light trucks come in 4x4  but might need to get an older one  

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Canter?really?

Sat, 2019-06-29 18:12

 I've used them for work, horrible pig of a thing to drive slow, thirsty, AND--getting into it, you are climbing up into a truck cab. Every.Single.Time. That gets old real quick for a daily driver. If you could afford to have something dedicated for a single task, maybe, but who can afford that? 

All of the jap 4/5 cylinder utes will need a rear suspension upgrade, at the very least, to cope with a good weight on the tray and a boat on the hitch, regardless of what they claim. They all sag very quickly. Russ, if you want to work out what is legal for any particular car, get on the net, and find all the manufacturers specs. Take the GCM, subtract the weight you intend to tow, then subtract the kerb weight, and there is your allowable payload.  The Extra cab/supercab/space cab things available from all the manufacturers, with the suicide rear doors, are a very useful config for a daily driver, due to their extra space in the back for storing gear, or a passenge at a pinch. I've  just been through this process, on new vehicles, and just decided to stick with what I have for the moment. But the configuration is useful. Even room for a fridge in there, if you so wish. 

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I know a fair few of the

Sat, 2019-06-29 11:47

I know a fair few of the patrols weee only 2.5t rated but pretty sure the turbo 4.2 were all 3.5. Have seen a few decent ones pop up for sale lately.  

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 looked up the specs on the

Sat, 2019-06-29 13:00

 looked up the specs on the 3ltr commonrail and they came in at 3.2 for the dx. 

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Well, ...

Sat, 2019-06-29 18:30

 Truth is, I'm only going off advice from the Patrol forum, because, guess what? The GCM space on my compliance plate is blank. Never filled in from new. GVM is 3400, and I  know my bare tray weighbridge weight is 2400kg. I'd always thought it was only the coil spring rears that had the lower towing limit for obvious reasons , as they had only half the payload of the leaf spring model. No-one offered hard evidence, only opinion. The original door well sticker on the coil cabs states 2500. Haven't ever seen the equivilent on a leaf spring ute . If anyone has a mate who has one, I'd appreciate having a piccie.

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 cheers for the info. will

Sat, 2019-06-29 19:16

 cheers for the info. will def look further into it .

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 Air Bags are well worth a

Sat, 2019-06-29 11:36

 Air Bags are well worth a look into as well.

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be very, very careful with airbags on leaf springs.

Sat, 2019-06-29 18:18

 Airbags work fine in  coils, but are really bad news on leaf spring rears if you are trying to compensate for saggy rear suspension. The loading ends up in the middle of the spring hangers, instead of on them and, bingo, cracked/snapped chassis. Imagine breaking a stick across your knee--your hands are the spring hangers, and the stick is the chassis between them. 

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 Agree Coils and Airbags or

Sun, 2019-06-30 12:38

 Agree Coils and Airbags or go the "grey Nomad" cheap option of tennis balls inside coils.

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Really?

Sun, 2019-06-30 17:43

 Never heard of that one 

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How much you want to spend

Sat, 2019-06-29 18:17

How much you want to spend will determine the vehicle. Seen a few trayon campers on 4 cylinder utes and don't think I would go that way.

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 Mid to late nineties

Sat, 2019-06-29 20:03

 Mid to late nineties Defender single cab. Will carry nearly 1500kg while towing 4 tonne legally. A bit under powered stock, but easy and safe to reliably tweak to decent power levels and there are always good ones about for 10-15k.

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Manjimup Toyota have a 4.2

Sun, 2019-06-30 18:09

Manjimup Toyota have a 4.2 leaf sprung pootrol reasonably priced. Exhaust and tune and off you go.

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country

Sun, 2019-06-30 18:38

 When you have decided on what type of vehicle try to source it from a country dealership. They are always cheaper and will try harder to get your business.

Got my 200 series delivered to my door in landsdale from Manjimup Toyota. Way cheaper than metro prices and no where near as arrogant as the metro dealers.

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Sun, 2019-06-30 21:05

It’s odd that, I know several people who went to Manji for cheaper cars.

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 Yep , i know of someone who

Fri, 2019-07-19 15:29

 Yep , i know of someone who got a landcruiser from there , really happy with them guys

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 cheers guys for heads up

Sun, 2019-06-30 18:59

 cheers guys for heads up about country dealers. will check some out

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Colorado.

Mon, 2019-07-01 16:49

 Hi Russ, probably not what you are looking for, but my son in law has just up-dated his 2011 Colorado for a new one.

The older one runs well, it is a 4x4 dual cab but has an extended tray,(2100mm long), air bags, nudge bar and brand new tyres.

Not sure on the K's but regular servicing inc last weekend

Think he is chasing around the $14k mark.

Let me know if it is something.

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 cheers for that . will keep

Mon, 2019-07-01 17:24

 cheers for that . will keep that in mind . having a good look around at the moment 

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Mon, 2019-07-01 17:49

 Dont bother getting a price in bunbury as they are thieves. When i  bought a poxy ranger a few years ago I got  price in bunbury and one phone call to perth I saved $4500 and similar for a hilux. 200 series are about 10 grand cheaper in perth.

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Interesting. Mate is about to

Fri, 2019-07-05 15:24

Interesting. Mate is about to put an order in for a new 79 dual cab cruiser. Bunbury quote came in at 77 with custom steel tray.

Bit of shopping around and nobody else can get close.  

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I might start looking around

Sat, 2019-07-06 07:16

I might start looking around as I'm looking at dual cab hilux or dmax at the moment.7 grand difference in prices up here between the 2, hilux is overpriced or they don't care about getting the business.

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Have a look here:

Sat, 2019-07-06 12:03

Have a look here: www.palominorvaustralia.com.au/customer-photos/

Many of the customers have pics of their campers with boat in tow. I have a Dmax with Northstar camper and tow my boat and have done two trips across aust with the rig. Its the perfect set up allowing you to camp in comfort and take the boat.

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 Cheers for all the info. Had

Fri, 2019-07-19 14:09

 Cheers for all the info. Had been looking at a few . Having found the right one yet so we ended up buying a house

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