Advice on a 6kg trolling outfit
Entering the Kalbarri Classic this year and i want to get a 6kg outfit for trolling up some mackies, wahoo, tuna etc. We cleaned up 2 year ago but caught them all using our bottom bouncing gear, so not alowed at weigh in. It was our first comp we didn't really know the go with IGFA rules and all that. At this stage im thinking that a Tyrnos 8 or 10 would be the go, maybe a Tekota 500. Then can load it with pe3 an the missus can use if for bottom bouncing after the comp. Im just not too sure whats out there. I live out in the bush so not really in a position to go to a tackle store for any advice. I was thinking of possibly going for a spinning reel loaded with 6kg, whats people stoughts on trolling with spin outfits, and what would you recomend, for around $500, reel and rod??
Cheers
Dave
Cheers
Dave
hlokk
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If you're not chasing billies
If you're not chasing billies it will be a bit easier as you wont need quite as much line. Pretty sure those kinds of tournaments rules dont allow you to use braid undershotting (though I think in IGFA there may be some provision for braid recrods), so you'd need to make sure the capacity is large enough for at least 300m, maybe more of line. Not that its thick line, but something to consider.
Reel wise I would recommend the talica, but you may not get a rod with that budget too, so I also like the salist LD's. Tyrnos's are good reels, but cant say I like them thanks to the stupidly heavy weight for their size and clicking. Doesnt bother all people though. Certainly a small overhead would work well both as PE3 and to spool up with 6kg for the comp. Will you be using the same rod for 6kg and PE3 though?
Just personally, I would have no problems using a spinner in that class. More fun and easy fight, and its not as if the drag pressures will exceed the reel. You miss the clicker so watch those rods. Consider its just for one tournament, not constant use, if a spinner isnt perfect, it may still be more useful to fit to your arsenal in general, so consider whether you'd use an overhead or a spinner more? (e.g. you could use it for casting, plastics, etc). A fair few nice spinners that would fit your budget and still be fine for mackies, tuna and the like.
Tim
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Tyrnos 10
Tyrnos 10 is a good option.
I went that way recently and you get 550m or there abouts of 6kg on it and the reel is quite compact so good for bottom fishing later.
Lever drags are much easier than a spinning reel as you can adjust the drag up or down during the fight the go back to the button and know exactly where your drag is. I,m only using spinning reels on 1kg and 2kg, everything else is lever drag.
dodgy
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I have a tiagra 12 and a
I have a tiagra 12 and a baitrunner 4500 as my 6 kg rigs.
Do like the baitrunner as I can preset the drag to 2 kg and don't have to adjust it. Just use the freespool tension knob while trolling.
Lots of little tuna around Kalbarri. Might pay to pack some tiny skirts and a couple of 3kg outfits.
I may be getting down for that comp as well but probably chasing billies.
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allrounder
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I think billfish are over rated
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
bigdavet86
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If I was to go down the
If I was to go down the spinning path, what would i looking at, to get 300+m of 6kg on it. Maybe a saragosa 8000, Saltist 4500H, Salina II 5000??? Or bigger??
I have a Stradic 6000 with 30lb braid on it currently, just use if off the beach. Its in top condition, would it be up to the task?
What if we were to encounter some wahoo or bigger tuna would the little spinner be up to the task?? Got a 17kg Wahoo, and 28kg yellowfin last time.
Cheers
Dave
till
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You missed the key point of
You missed the key point of getting a baitrunner, if you're going to insist on using a spinner.
dodgy
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Not totally sure about that
Not totally sure about that till. Most line class comps I fish I will have 1x 2kg, 2x 3kg, 2x 4kg, 2x 6kg and 2x 8kg and sometimes 10 and 15 if bigger billies are about.
I find with that many rods on board I start running out of room so have to get a little creative. The 6kg is perfect size for pitch baiting a livie or gar to a sail or belting out a slug into a school of bigger tuna. Run on a 7ft rod I can also use it for trolling.
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hlokk
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I think he meant the flip
I think he meant the flip switch to activate drag feature wasnt mentioned which works well for trolling. Set strike drag in "freespool" then engage full drag when you get the fish.
If trolling with spinners for big fish, you'll probably want a rod that flexes the right amount so you can 'feel' off the drag more accurately. Some people dont like playing around with it though. Otherwise, prob best to go an lever drag overhead. According to the shimano specs, a 6000 stradic will only hold about 290m of 5kg mono. Thought it might hold more than that (it will with a thin mono). If you're getting 28kg YFT, I would imagine you'd want more than 500m of 6kg? Perhaps someone whos fishes for them light can tell you how much you need and can go from there.
dodgy
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Don't need more than 500m of
Don't need more than 500m of line. A change of direction by the fish with that much belly in your line will pop 6kg. Really want to keep boat to fish distance down as much as possible. On 6 I would consider anything over 200m to be really in the danger zone.
Line class fishing is where slick teamwork and boat handling skills come into their own.
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allrounder
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Your being generous
Dodgy.If you have 200 meters out you should be sh!tting enough bricks to start an artificial reef.The last sentence is where the secret lies.That and never touch the main line.Also knowing when to gaf and when to net.Not to mention luck.Seen many a record fish lost at the boat after hours of work,also seen a few lost when the fish has run through a school of bait.Any Tom Dick or Harry can fish braid not everyone can fish line class and fish it well.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
till
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Ahh yeah, I was just pointing
Ahh yeah, I was just pointing out to bigdavet86 that the spinner you recommended was a baitrunner, unlike the ones he mentioned.
Juiced Up
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Wow! Thats a lot of
Wow! Thats a lot of rods!
Last year i thought I was seeing things at the weigh in during the local comp (In Dampier) there was this boat that had about 30 rods easily on the roof, then another boat with more rods turned up, then another! Couldnt believe it! Are they all used or do they have spares incase of failures?
Im new to the Dampier area and keen to get into the action, but I dont think Im that keen!
Go the Eagles.
Brucesta
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he with the most tackle wins!
he with the most tackle wins! which is kinda true lots of rods and reels as prizes in comps so guys have plenty of combo's. when fishing line class and they are on the chew i was taught to make sure you ALWAYS have a rod with your double tied as long as your allowed and same with your leader ready to go as a back up to what your using, fishing with 3kg and land the fish, then grab the 2kg and try and better it if fishing for capture is your thing. Tag and Realese is a little different and doesn't require as many combos but different comps use different line classes.
Lastly if the mrs allows you to buy them, bloody get them!!!
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Alan James
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Look at the Shimano Charter Special Reels
A bit cheaper than the Tyrnos. I cannot comment on the Tyrnos as I don't have one but I do have a 4kg trolling outfit with a Charter Special reel. It will hold heaps of 6kg line, more than you will ever want. I loaded almost 1000m of 4kg on mine. I put the reel on a Live Fibre 4-6kg rod and have no compliants with either. If you are going 6kg line I would recommend you go for the Live Fibre 6-8kg rod. $500 will get you rod, reel, line and you will have some change for a few lures.
If you are fishing competitions and need to comply with IGFA rules make sure you are familiar with the all IGFA rules and in particular the rules regarding length of doubles and leaders. Good Luck.
deezydee
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tyrnos
The charter specials are a very underated reel, Get rid of the level wind and as Alan said you can get a combo for $500 easy. They were on special for $179 and a 7 footer with a softish tip you will be able to use it down to 3kg easy. Past issues in the classic regarding line has been the confusion with IGFA written on spools that have not been pre-test, Black Magic, Platypus are fine, they may have added to that this year. I use the charter special 1000, tyrnos 8 and 10 and tld5 for trolling for a few seasons without any problems. Add 2 and 3 kg spinning outfits to that and it`s easy to be taking out7-8 rods a trip each, times that by 3 and you run out of holders. Google a gent by the name of Alan Tani and see how he runs 50lb on the charter specials, the ultimate site for self servicing your reels.
dodgy
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Another point to keep in mind
Another point to keep in mind is that Kalbarri comp is ran to ANSA rules and not GFAA. Similar but not the same. Make sure you print off a copy from the ansa site and study them inside and out.
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nico
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For a over head reel i would
For a over head reel i would go for the Talica 2 speed 10 or 12 with a 6,6 i like the action over a 5,6 stroker the action is alot nicer for the light line class i run old Fenwicks which my Father had and allso have t curves which seem to fit the bill as well. if the coin does not stretch to $600 for the Talica the old Charter Special 2000 are bullet proof and still lever drag and level wind as well though gear ratio is much lower as the Talica is 6.2 / 4.1 with 9 kg drag for the 10 and the 12 is 5.7/3.1 with 18 kg drag the Charter special is 4.2 with 15 kg drag the Saltist by Daiwa is a mid field option aswell.
I hate braid for trolling you still have to top shot so what is the point just run a good mono like Platypus pre-test internationally IGFA rated and been around for along time shore there are other lines but this is my long time favourite and served my well in light tackle tournaments in NTH QLD as stated above read the rule book for your tournament the rules do bend .On the flip side if you want to cast live or dead baits a spinner might be a better option if you are not use to overhead casting.
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hlokk
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Braid backing on a troller is
Braid backing on a troller is good if you want to use a smaller reel but still have heaps of line capacity. Also useful if you're going to run the reel without the topshot most of the year for bottom bouncing/driftbaiting/etc. Even if mono is preferable, I've never really had any problems trolling minnows on braid with proper drag settings either (if you get a snap on strike, you've done something wrong). Though with pushers and surface lures it seems that mono definitely helps.
deezydee
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You can`t have your braid
You can`t have your braid connected in any way to your mono topshot in this comp, or even packing the spool out with heavier mono in larger size reels, when fishing light game or your backing breaking strain will be whats counted at the weigh in.
bigdavet86
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I reckon i might be buying
I reckon i might be buying two outfits if im not carefull haha
Can someone explain what a baitrunner is?? Sounds similar to adjusting the freespool tension on an overhead??
I have been trawling through the campbells website and the Okuma Salina II 10000 looks to fit the bill nicely as an allrounder. If i grab a spare spool, can load 450m of 6kg on one and 300m of 8kg on the other. If i find im getting pinged on 6kg, i can up it to 8kg. I have been known to cast with an overhead, have also been known to then lose 100m of line cutting out the birds nest i have created lol. So i reckon i will stick with the spinner, would be nice to be able to cast to a school of tuna or pitch out popper when the mackie are on the chew. My theory is that we are a rag tag bunch a fishos so we probly dont have the skills or experience to fish light line class very well, therefore i may aswell buy something that can be usefull if line class doesn't turn out to be our cup of tea. And i reckon i would get heaps more use from a spinner than a overhead.
thoughts on the Okuma??
Cheers
Cheers
Dave
deezydee
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Dave, don`t write off the
Dave, don`t write off the overhead option, Macks on 4 and 6 kg are well within your grasp if you`ve got somebody to keep that line out to a minimum, as a rule sharks are not a major concern in Kalbarri so time is on your side.
bigdavet86
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my reason for thinking of
my reason for thinking of overheads was for capacity, but if you only want to have 200m out at a max due to the friction of the line in the water, (cant believe i didn't think of that) then you really dont need the capacity so much, just a whole bunch of reverse. Overhead is easier to troll with but harder to cast. hmm might have to stripp the braid off my bottom bouncing rig and load that with 6kg, and see whcih works better, then load the braid back onto whatever comes in second.
Cheers
Cheers
Dave
deezydee
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Not a lot of the bottom
Not a lot of the bottom bouncing reels used are sensitive enough for 1 kg of drag accurately on start up, try using a set of digital scales and see how consistent your drags are Dave, i was shocked
when i checked some of my reels i thought could be multi purpose. I lost my share of fish when i started into light game fishing. I still have a sailfish and marlin on my bucket list.
Have to hang around Dodgy 
and i might learn how too.
bigdavet86
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Its starting to sound like
Its starting to sound like this Line Class thing is going to be tuff, not just the fishing, and workin as a crew, its going to be the amount of gear!! so far im taking:
15kg - tyrnos 30 II speed on penn sports 15-24kg (for any big tuna we find, or if we get out past abrolhos, maybe something with a bill?!)
2kg - stradic 2500 on 7' catana 2-4kg
botoom bouncing - Tekota 700 with 50lb braid on revoloution 15kg rod
general anything goes outfit - stadic 6000 with 30lb braid, on berkley drop shot, can cast, bottom bounce, my fav setup
6kg outfit
cheers
Cheers
Dave
fishfish
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chasing fish
Just a tip Dave, trailer boats generally steer and go better forward than they do in reverse so keep that in mind if you need to chase a fish, makes it easier on the driver ....
cheers fishfish
Rick
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Line Class=$$$
Dave which ever way you go, its going to get expensive. Line class fishing can become very addictive. Then you want a dedicted outfit for each class.Great fun that changes the way you have to fish altogether. Since joining PGFC, I would hate for my wife to add up how much I have spent on gear.........
I would say lever drag o/head is the way to go for 6kg. Being able to preset your drags is the key to light line fishing. I was lucky enough to picked a 2nd Tiagra 12 that I use for 6. Some really good quality 2nd hand gear comes up on this site, worth keeping a eye out for a bargain
Cheers
Rick
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bigdavet86
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yep i can see the $$$ adding
yep i can see the $$$ adding up very quickly. For now i dont like to spend alot of money on my gear, I cant bring myself to spend 400-500+ on a reel and 200-250 on a rod, it doesn't get used enough to justify the price tag. but at the same time, shitty gear can equal lost fish.
There is a Penn 975 Lever Drag for sale on here, looks like a good buy, then i just need to match a rod to it. I reckon it looks about spot on for what i want to do. thoughts?
Im still tempted to get the Salina II 10000, anyone have any feedback on them?
Cheers
Dave
Righteo
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i have a tyrnos 10 loaded
i have a tyrnos 10 loaded with 30lb powerpro was using as a bottom basher also thinking of loading with 8kg mono if i find a spot on a boat at gamex this year, if you shop smart you can pick one up pretty cheap from memory mine cost about $160 and this was when the dollar wasnt as strong, not a big fan of the saltist own one and am not really sold on it.
Here we go again.
mullows
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Look at the Fin Nor Marquesa
Look at the Fin Nor Marquesa for a well priced overhead. Pretty solid reels and would probably fit the criteria, lot cheaper than other reels and not missing out on quality either.
Cheers
Mullows
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StevieP
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thunnus ci4 8000 might be the
thunnus ci4 8000 might be the go
dodgy
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As far as rods go, shimano do
As far as rods go, shimano do a triton sportfish series 6 kg overhead. Quite a chunky rod but bullet proof and good enough for having a go. Should be able to get one from your local shop around the $80 mark.
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bigdavet86
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Cheers Dodgy, i see a coupple
Cheers Dodgy, i see a coupple ugly sticks that meet the requirements as well. Around $100. Both 7 footers, one 4-10kg, the other 4-6.5.
Cheers
Dave
bigdavet86
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Penn 975LD
I got the Penn 975 from John (Deezydee), for great price, (Cheers Mate !!). Now i just need to match it to a rod. What do people reckon will be a good match for this reel? Hopefull under $175. Also any light tackle lure recomendations?
Cheers
Dave
hlokk
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Is the rod going to be used
Is the rod going to be used just for fishing the 6kg (ish) or for over 30lb stuff bottom bouncing too? I'm using a live fibre 6-8kg atm and seems to work well (though I do prefer more 'progressive rods', but its hard to find any nice trolling ones like that).
Light tackle lures: Zukers! Also small richters. Silstar christmas trees with replaced hooks and leader (very good for small tuna). Pakula uzis. Small laser pros. I really like the xraps, but unless you're going less than 6-8kn, even the 15's will pull too much (I have used them on 8kg up to about 10kn, but drag set fairly tight).
81macca
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Gonna recommend the Avet
Gonna recommend the Avet great light tackle reel and can be used for bottom bashing, I run a MXL and 8kg Stren Gold on a Live Fibre 6-8kg rod. Lures need to be shallo runing like your 1m Laser Pros or RMGs. Skip ome gars also.
I actually fish.
bigdavet86
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I reckon i will get a rod
I reckon i will get a rod just for the 6kg, there will be to much difference between that and running PE3. Im havinf a hard time finding a decent rod. HAve found a silstar from campbels, only $60!! Will wait and see if i can splurge on a live fibre. Also some decent looking Ugly sticks for $100-$120
I have some small richters - tornado juniors, Dorado and jelly babe. Also some Lazer pro 120's, 1m and 2.5m divers. Suppose i will have to grab a whole bunch of small divers and see what will work and what will be to 'heavy'. The Pakula Dojo Peche Skooner 5.5" look pretty good to.
Cheers
Dave
dodgy
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3.5m halco scorps run just
3.5m halco scorps run just fine on 6.
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bigdavet86
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Looking at the Live Fibre
Looking at the Live Fibre 6'5" 6-10kg boat overhead to suit the Penn 975LD running 6kg pretest. Would this be a good match? Could this possibly double up and be my PE3 road aswell?? Other wise im going to get a cheap sub $100 rod for the 6kg and get a half decent PE3 rod later?
Cheers
Dave
Alan James
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It's a match
but not a good match. The Live Fibre 6-8kg would be a better match to the Penn 975LD. The PE3 rig would also be better suited to a stronger rod than the Live Fibre 6'5" 6-10kg boat overhead. I don't believe you will get a good balance when you are trying to get one rod that will serve as a 6kg trolling outfit and a PE3 (approx. 15-18kg) bottom bouncing rod. Imo the range is too great.