!!Ally boat builder Needed!!
Submitted by Paul200990 on Wed, 2019-12-25 10:20
needing a welder/ally boat builder to do an inspection on my boat for insurance purposes. I know it’s Christmas time
but really could use a favour off someone so I can get this claim accepted. Little crack in the hull after hitting something out wide :(
second pic is for the possible corrosion comments. Just dried salt. Abit of acid wash and it's gone.
added a couple pics of the hull after an acid hull clean for the guys that think there is corrosion. It was a quick one only took about 3 mins so wasn't a proper clean
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Paul200990
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The assessor said it was
The assessor said it was caused do to how it wa sitting in the old trailer and was caused by fatigue but it wasn’t there before Wednesday when I ran into something. But the assessor was pretty quick to tell me it’s declined and pass me his mates welding card and I should call him and get it fixed. Pretty dodgy if you ask me. But he didn’t even look inside the boat just saw the little crack and said nope it’s fatigue. Which is a load of fucking shit. Then said if I was you I’d just chuck some silicone in there and head out it will be fine... no joke!!! My boat was built by the same guy that built sea quest and razerlines back in 2006 and the assessor was saying that the welds are not sound without even seeing them because they are all inside the hull!!! I asked him what trade he had to make these comment as his reply was “ I have built a boat before and my mates a ship builder” then I said “ I have helped build a house but doesn’t make me a profession builder” then I asked him if he has any welding trades or certificates to assess the welds and he said” I have built a boat mate and I have been around boats for a long time” then I asked him does he know the certification and welding rules that applies to boats and he said “no”. I’m a machanical fitter and have a cert4 in engineering electrical/electronic trade. And I still wouldn’t give any advice on that being that I have not been in the game for a while.
I just feel that I have been assessed from a dodgy bloke who’s trying to get more work for his mate. Even have me his mates card to call him.
So to beat this this guy I need a hull inspection report report from someone who has the time to help me out. I have put more than 45k into this boat and now can’t use it atm. All my fabrication that hasn’t been added to. My boat has been done by Willie @ Bullet fabrication but he is on holidays till the 7th of jan and even he said this boat is a battle tank and he would take it to the end of earth. So I’m finding it hard to believe it s a fatigue crack that has just opened up :( I’m guttered for my son. All he wants to do is go out and fish with dad (2years old). Can pay for your time or get you all. Bottle of your pick or carton but more than that you will get a lot of thanks from me and my son :)
thanks guys. Have a good Christmas
dodgy
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You seem to be getting on
You seem to be getting on well with Willie at Bullet?
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Paul200990
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Yeah man for sure. He is a
Yeah man for sure. He is a top bloke and an amazing fabricator. But he isn't back until the 6th jan where I'd like to get this sorted before then.
ace rimmer
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does look like fatigue
surely if you hit something there would be fresh marks on the Ali, Looks like Fatigue from the photo to me. I'm sure i have seen this boat for sale recently cheers ACE
Paul200990
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Yeah it is for salebut not
Yeah it is for sale
but not selling it until I get this little crack fixed. Yeah i have a good relationship with him but he isn't back to work until the 6th of jan and I'd like to get this sorted out before then if possible. There are fresh marks in the ally running down like scratch marks. Running down. I think I hit a turtle or a log or something on the way out the the frw5 fad last Wednesday
Belly Fish
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Corrosion
maybe I’m seeing things, but there seems to be a bit of corrosion going on there.
Can you get to the inside to see why? I had two holes appear in my boat and when I got to the inside (by putting in a new inspection hatch) I found some old salt water that simply ate holes in the 5mm plate
Paul200990
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Nah it's just salt/Calsium
Nah it's just salt/Calsium build up. A lot of people think it's electrolysis but it's just dried salt. Had a bloke come over and say that then got some Hull cleaned out and did a square patch and it all came off.
Paul200990
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But there is no inspection
But there is no inspection hole at all to see inside. but it was a dry hull before Wednesday and I like to flush my hull with fresh water once a month
ranmar850
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Yes, but its the dried salt, sitting inside that does the damage
it just sits there, inside, unless washed away, and eat holes. And please don't blame "cheap chinese ally", this has been a problem long before we started importing foreign-made rolled product. I've had a lot of experience with keeping ally hulls going, had two ali crayboats , plate dinghys, tinnies--I reckon I've seen it all.
I take it this pic was taken from the outside of the hull? You've certainly had a bit of external corrosion going on. Blowing the picture up, it appears there is a bit of a gouge forming the basis for that crack? Edges appear to be a little chamfered, before the crack runs off in a slightly different direction on the RHS of the pic. There is what appears to be corrosion along the crack, as someone else said, but that could just as easily be salt water which was trapped in the crack, and then dried out, giving the appearance of corrosion.
How much is your insurance excess? if you are up for $500, you'd be a lot better off just paying for a repair, unless there is a lot more going on. Apart from that, your biggest challenge will be finding a fabricator to do it between now and new years--most businesses will be closing until next Monday, I would think.
Paul200990
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My excess is 300 dollars.
My excess is 300 dollars. That gauge is the scratch that happens when I hit whatever it was. I'll pm you the square of hull that I cleaned. There is no corrosion at all on it plate.
big john
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Bang
You must have heard a good bang when you hit whatever it was, possibly even a shudder through the boat.
I was always worried about hitting a turtle when I lived in Onlow, especially on the odd occasion I travelled at night. Hence I always carry a spare prop and nut assembly for my motor.
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Paul200990
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Yeah mate. We stopped right
Yeah mate. We stopped right away. It wa a a huge bang. Put the bilge pump on right away and nothing came out then and kept running it on and off for a while. And started to get more and more out. That's when we turned around and headed in after getting the first dolly. Bought a couple of your jigs too John. Work great :)
Paul200990
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It sounded like Rolf Harris
It sounded like Rolf Harris was playing the wobble board in my hull on the way home !!!
big john
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Buggar
Buggar!
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biggerfish
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Hate to say it mate but that
Hate to say it mate but that isn’t a impact crack that is a fatigue crack impact crack would of caused a massive dent where impact is. That is from the ally constantly flexing in and out when you hit waves/slop. I’m a welder by Trade. I hit something in my old genesis and it caved the front section of the hull in didn’t crack or puncture but made a massive dent. This unfortunately is not from impact
Play hard fish harder
Paul200990
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Arrr shit. I would of 100
Arrr shit. I would of 100 percent said it was from the impact. But I'm not an expert.l though. How much was it for your fix ?
biggerfish
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Mine was covered under
Mine was covered under insurance. So only cost excess. Wouldn’t cost much to get that welded up just a matter of finding someone to do it over Christmas period. I would say I could do it for you but I wouldn’t be confident enough striking an arc on my own hull I’ve only done a little ally welding
Play hard fish harder
Paul200990
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Tweak I have got an
Tweak I have got an insurance claim in but they are not covering it at all? Did you get your covered under a fatigue crack ?
biggerfish
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Mine wasn’t cracked it was
Mine wasn’t cracked it was dented from impact damage. Impact damage would have a dent and if
it was a sharp object you hit
would be a gouge cut not a straight crack
Fatigue cracks are usually straight lines like yours. Kind of like if you bend an ally can back and forward eventually it will tear
Play hard fish harder
Deleted
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Will be Getting hard to sell
Will be Getting hard to sell this boat when posting all it's issues online
Paul200990
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It's only issue is the crack
It's only issue is the crack man. Easy fix I just don't have the cash for more than my what my excess is for my insurance. 300 dollar excess or 600 dollar fix?
if it doesn't sell I'm happy either way man. It's a good boat and pretty much all brand new. Just my misso and son won't come out because there is no place for them to sit or for my son to go to sleep on the long trips. But that for your concern though :)
Paul200990
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I just wanna make sure when
I just wanna make sure when I sell it that it's safe for the next person mate. I don't want any bad karma hanging around me
Skull
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Listed for
Listed for sale at 63k today on Gumtree
When did you notice the crack irrespective of whether impact or fatigue?
Skull
Paul200990
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Was first listed for 64k
Was first listed for 64k about a week and a half ago maybe 2 weeks. Found the crack on Friday last week so dropped it 1k. Quotes have come back around the 700-1k mark so even when I do get it fixed still dropped it.
anything else inspector ?
Paul200990
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And was updated 11 hours ago
And was updated 11 hours ago mate not listed!!!
Paul200990
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And that was Christmas
And that was Christmas prices too when there are not welders around to choose from so they can name there price and people like me don't have much of a choice to pay top dollar
sea-kem
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Can you access the crack
Can you access the crack from the inside? I'm away until the 2nd Jan and could possibly do it for you after then. Would need to see more pics, you would also need to remove the fuel tank if under deck as it looks like.
Love the West!
Paul200990
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Nope not from the inside.
Nope not from the inside. it's a sealed deck :(
Swompa
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Not a boat builder but spent
Not a boat builder but spent the best part of 25 years playing on a 60 foot aluminium boat.
impacts in Alumnium cause dents. That's the advantage of it. You get a lot of forgiveness before it lets water in it. I am sorry but I am confident that this isnt impact damage.
Personally, I would be cutting into the deck to see what is behind it as my thought goes to thin plate and an isolated pressure point.
dodgy
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To fix that properly you
To fix that properly you will need to access the other side and see what's going on behind. Can't just run a bead of weld right over the outside and assume it's fixed.
If it was making a sound like a wobble board it may of had an internal rib let go and that whole section is flexing. Needs a proper inspection.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Paul200990
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Yeah man for sure. That's
Yeah man for sure. That's what I'm trying to organise. Happy to cut a floor out in the deck and adding an inspection port but just want it to be done right and this time of year hard to find someone
rob90
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Personally i wouldn't
Personally i wouldn't be claiming it as a razorline/ assassin boat then posting all these problems, could be pissing off razorline and assassin by bringing up all these problems on a boat that might not even be either of theirs. Which personally im not convinced it is. Hopefully you get it sorted and your back on the water soon. But im feeling sorry for any one who buys that boat for over 60k, as if the hull is cracking due to stress supposedly 20hrs afterall this fabwork being done, it has a grim future.
Hi my name is rob............. and I'm a........... fishaholic
Paul200990
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All the fabrication work was
All the fabrication work was done literally aft of the helm. The assessor came out and said it is a fatigue crack due to how it was sitting on the trailer. The fatigue crack is right between both roller marks. That's your opinion mate but I spoke to the builder and he was the bloke who started assassin and seaquest/ razerline. But now retired. I can give you his number and you can call him if you like and ask him for yourself ?
Jackalchub
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These so called "big name"
These so called "big name" builders are not immune to issues. Regardless of what hull it is, I'd be deleting the post if it's for sale
Paul200990
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Not here to hide!Anything
I thought this forum was to ask for advice/help and what not. I'm not here to ask for help or advice on a hull that has a little crack in it then try and sell it and not tell them that it had a crack. I'm not a dishonest person and when did have it up I up dated the add to reflect the crack too. I'm not gonna sell someone a boat and not tell them the honest truth. That's bad karma especially for me when I have a young boy and a wife and another on the way. I'd hope that when I buy my next boat if it is secondhand that it wouldn't happen to me. I don't want that karma hanging around me. I'm not here to hide anything.
Silver Fox
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I don’t understand
Another wife or child on the way ?
My wife understands why I clean my rods n reels in the shower....
Paul200990
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Child hahah but who knows
Child hahah but who knows about he other wife lol.
Brock O
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Ha Paul, How did the repair
Ha Paul,
How did the repair go....any photos, cut floor to repair internal stiffener as well ?
Paul200990
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Yeah all went well. Found a
Yeah all went well. Found a local boat builder who welded the 20mm long crack which was good and insert a inspection port for me also. 300 dollar cash job for that time of year I'm happy with. But after like 2 months of trying to sell it. Sold it like 2 weeks ago and just got a all-rounder 670