hahah he should do some hard time

methcoast eagle

he is a farking poor excuse for a man!!!!

 feel sorry for his kid what a life he is going to have!

This bloke has had all the support he can get. He has torn his family apart and destroyed a career that could have taken him anywhere. It is apparent that he is not taking anything onboard and has no feelings for anyone other than himself. Let him spend some time in the cooler and see what that does to his attitude (if anything). Prison in Kalgoorlie seems like a good place for him.

inevitable

he's had everything on a platter and continues to f*&k it up over and over again.

Oxygen theif

Hope he can hold onto the soap as well as the footy- the bighouse might not be as kind to him as the footy field

Complete train wreck!

Feel sorry for the fella not being able to sort his shit out. Obviously it isn't something simple for him to overcome. All you blokes bagging him out are acting pretty ignorant to the situation. Maybe one day when someone you know on a personal level or even worse someone in your family, or heck even yourself falls down this path you might then not think it is so cool and high and mighty to knock someone who is struggling with something. Yeah it seems he's a train wreck but you blokes calling him a poor excuse for a man and an oxygen thief are those descriptions yourselves. Why not find out his Dad's contact details and give him a call and say those things to him without hanging up straight afterwards, bet you wouldn't be so keyboard couragous then.

couldnt agree with you more bluedog.

 Bluedog!! Well said mate

Fool that he is its been made too easy for him since he's been a kid. Cheeky larrakin - killer smile, outstanding athlete - Prince of Perth. The larger they are the harder they fall - and he's still in freefall yet to hit the ground face first. Trouble is prison isn't gonna be a nice place to land face first in, but that's his drama now. He's allowed his addiction to rule his behaviour.

I feel sad for him, his partner and his son, his Mum & his Dad - why can't he feel sad for them to mend his ways - he must think people around him are D-ckheads - well Benny there not. Like many I was a fan - I am no longer not because he's not playing Footy anymore but because of his constant DUMB decision making. P.S. If you can train yourself till you spew and then keep training surely you can train yourself to get off this insidious cocktail of chemicals. One of the guys I went to school with died two weeks ago at 48 years of age after discovering this sh-t when he was young - thats where Ben is going - coincidentally his name was Benny as well. I saw him Xmas before last and thought who is this sorry excuse for a human being who looks 25 years older than he should- Benny C will be there soon.

Ben's family are quality stuff and I feel for them so much because this F-whit is so immersed in his own shit he doesn't give a shit about anyone other than himself, not even his new girl and the baby. So we go to rehab and take a bag of stash with us??? Get real mate!!!!! Addiction and supply are two different things so wake up you guys. If Ben sold your daughter or son some of the shit he was carrying and it stuck would you seriously be so supportive of this guy? Wake up fellas. This has gone on long enough and it's now time this guy got taken out of society before he harms more people. I don't give a shit what happens to him although I do feel sorry for the pain of the path he has chosen (not for him but those around him including his family).

What you said Bluedog is spot on, Vince and the throng of hecklers, unless you`ve been down this path you have got no idea what the cost to family and friends this kind of addiction has. It is sad to see the downward spiral of a human being, more so to some who had him on a pedestal so high. No doubt the media will get there pound of flesh as well. All you can do is offer a hand to help them to pick themselves up and start again 

He's gone and it's a bloody shame. The bloke had the world at his feet and threw it all down the shitter. I feel for his family and child and the way he is going he will be dead sooner rather than later.Bloody waste. I know all about this sort of thing with two reasonably close family members as addicts and believe me it affects everyone.

deezydee and bulldog, the knockers have no idea what its like to be in that situation. Yea it seems hes had it all and come clean. But to now go done that path again goes to show it has different affects from person to person.

Look at Danial keer he was up to his eye balls on horse pills and he has come through!! Did he win a brownlow?

Runner up.

This one really fired a few up!!
If he didn't act like such a smug prick in his documentary people would generally have alot more respect for him post football.
He is better off inside maybe getting some help because he certainly can't handle the real world

The problem with drugs and especially ice, is that it changes the chemical make-up of your brain !

Our bodies rely on chemicals manufactured by our body organs and to add synthetic drugs can change your brain forever !

The problem with Ben is that he may never realise the pain he is putting himself and everybody through - it just does not matter what you tell or show him !

The problem with drug addicts is that their is no quick fix !

Drug addicts do not think like you and me, their is no common sense and that is why we all get so frustrated - it's easy to fob somebody off - it's harder to help.

People need to be stopped from taking these drugs before it becomes a burden on society/family and friends, we all need to look after our kids and get rid of drug dealers !

He should have come down here for the fishing...not rehab!!  Now hes put poor old Esperance on the map but for all the wrong reasons....

But he does need help.....not bagging. I feel for his family.

Theres heaps of statements being thrown around on here, he doesnt care about his family.... worthless human being.... no thoughts for anyone but himself etc. Pretty easy to judge a persons worth based on what we read in the media hey?

Throwing him in a cell will not help anyone, especially his son. Theres a reason we try to divert drug dependent people away from the justice system..... because it doesnt help, and generally makes the situation worse. Have a look at the US, reckon their war on drugs and lock em up attitude has worked? The evidence says otherwise....

If it is shown that he has been dealing, then I agree he needs to deal with the consequences of those actions. If not, then looking at this as a health issue rather than a legal issue would end with better results for everyone involved! My guess, knowing about as much as most other people about the situation which is pretty much jack, is that Ben is well aware of the impact his behaviour is having on his family and has been trying to change. Relapse is the rule, not the exception.

Yep, drugs cause a shitload of problems in society. But the complete lack of compassion from a big part of Australia makes heaps of our problems (not just drug related) a hell of a lot worse. JMO

"But the complete lack of compassion from a big part of Australia makes heaps of our problems (not just drug related) a hell of a lot worse."

I don't think there has been a lack of compassion for Ben. Its Ben who has made his problems worse - I'd agree with NO RUN's call on this - that Ice changes the chemical composition of what effectively is in our body / brain. One of my mate's has told me that there is something referred to as " The 10 Day Cycle" - once the Ice user is within that cycle phase they re pretty much dependent and unless they get some rapid treatment - IE Forced Cold Turkey - they re in a lot of trouble.

As I said earlier - its all about how badly you want to change - well reports are now saying he was carrying 4grams - which is in the supply range ie Drug dealer so he may get the opportunity to try forced cold turkey. Without a doubt he is his own worst enemy - but wouldn't it be an interesting social response if his suppliers abandoned him if he cleans up - and refuse to provide him with the poison that is slowly killing him. He has acknowledged that he felt inferior during Football which led him to develop his "need" to train harder. Perhaps he can find another interest that otherwise occupies his time without the need to indulge in drugs. Maybe fishing is the answer for him.

Here's an interesting little exercise that I tried last year whilst assisting the wife who at that stage was on a strict diet (Duccan) - its basically a protein only diet, in the first three days all you are allowed to eat is protein. I gave it a go to support her - and lasted a two days. Try cutting out everything but protein. Its a really good way to see how your body will crave the everyday foods we eat - veges & fruit - going without those was amazingly hard for me and ultimately made me give up at the end of the second day. It was like a simulated Cold Turkey on those foods - really difficult - this can give you a bit of an understanding of how hard it is for a drug addict. It's an interesting exercise that really makes you realize how much you need a balanced diet & what happens to the body when you don't get it.

 i nearly choked on my scotch i was enjoying before my AA meeting when i read this. 

4 grams was it? supplying then. qualifies for assest confiscation.

The cops would know better than anyone that 4g for Cousins wouldn't be a 'dealing' amount and I would be surprised if they hit him with the full force of asset confiscation and whatnot. For a habit like his that would be his own supply and his lawyer will no doubt be able to prove that so i'd say it'll be more likely he'll cop a fine and maybe a suspended sentence.

 gotta feel sorry for the guy in a way as he got hooked on the stuff. but in the end it was his decision to take the stuff. he deserves what he gets. 

However, you realy have to try and understand what is going on. he got onto the drugs when he was high and mighty but now he has come down off the pedestal he is just like the rest of us, just a normal citizen but with the media watching his every step like any other high profile ex sporting great. 

if he was serious about getting off this stuff he would have done it long ago. he has had the chances to do that in many cases and still takes the shit. 

He is his own worst enemy. unfortunatly its the ones around him that will suffer in the end, family, friends and his new child.

I personally dont give a shit for those that do drugs as i have seen it ruin familys. a close relative got stuck on the stuff and to support their habbit turned to steeling from her own mum that was on a pension.not to mention how many others were ripped off to keep the drugs flowing through the system.

Lock him up for a while, i dont think the 25years would be needed  but give him 3 or 4. he then would have a chance to get clean and try and make something out of himself 

bluedog he is weak as piss, my cousin got done for haveing a crack lab in his house!!! i have seen first hand what it does to people, and im glad my cousin is in gail hope some body makes he him pay!!!!!!

you can only blame the person no body esle

you can either say yes or no and the sad thing this poor excuse of a man said yes, so do the crime do the time he is just a cutless prick!!

lol maybe give him a hot shot of pure ice and hope he goes pretty place where the flowers grow!

for people that take drugs, drug dealers should be hung till dead.  I had a lot of compassion for Ben, then you see he was trying to get of the hard drugs, then you read he's been caught with drugs up his bum and a lot of cash.  Sorry no time for him now.  As a Eagles fan think its time to close the door on BC once and for all.  Drug addiction would be the worst thing to get off but like AA you must make that first step yourself.

Yes I have had bad withdrawls, try coming off of 25cups of coffee a day and go down to 4 a day, I had the worst withdrawls, severe head aches, shaky hands, my head ache was so bad had to lay down with a cool hand towel on my forehead, but I stuck with it, as in those 25 cups of coffee I also had 3 sugars, so I just had to go through the withdrawl of coffee or caffiene.

Ben if he had it in his heart for himself first, his parents and his new born son, he could have kicked the habit.

We have a young man in our street, that is 29yrs of age and just got his first real job truck driving.  Now for the  last 15yrs he has come offa herion addiction, lost everything and slowly has got himself back, he went to rehab, but its taken this long for him to become normal human being, his nickname is fruitloop as he still has weird episodes, two restraining orders from neighbours, we still have to put up with him driving up and down the street, fast or slow, any hour of the day, tooting his horn, talking to himself, yelling sometimes to himself, usually the F word over and over.  He has a lovely little dog that is helping him, responsibility maybe, but this young man will never be the same.

funny how they seek the camera but then want it turned off when they screw up

I still have the image of all the weagle fans with their placards, " We applaud what you have overcome Benny "

You lie with dogs, you're gonna get fleas.

Apparently his old man Brian, is an absolute top bloke. That's who i feel sorry for

Crossed the line from drug addict to death dealer, corrupting other young minds who aspire to be just like Ben. Only ones deserving pity are his family, not him.

Sadly, if this was a Melbourne based afl star, MOST of you guys would be all over it like shit on a blanket.

Only two roads for Benny IMO, either choose life or a grave.

I'll start out by saying I don't like Ben, never have never will. That said I wonder how many of you actually know what true addiction is about. I'll bet more than a few of you are cigarette smokers & I'll bet most of those smokers have tried to give up, some successfully (good for you) others not. Most people are quite understanding of the battle it is to give up cigarettes. I'll give you a tip, cigarette addiction is only mental, not physical. Giving up a mental addiction is a whole lot easier than givng up a physical addiction. The drugs Ben has been/is addicted to are drugs of physical dependency, giving them up isn't as simple as just deciding you don't want to take them anymore, it's a whole lot harder than most of you seem to realise. There's quite a few of you that clearly live with your head in the clouds & don't realise the addiction like Ben's is an illness, not a lifestyle choice. Yes he made a choice at the start of it all but after a couple of hits, it's not really a choice anymore, it's a calling that does not stop. At the start of it all Ben probably thought he would be able to control it & stop when ever he felt like it. Why not, here in Perth he was treated like royalty, made to feel 10ft tall & bulletproof, having a little taste couldn't possibly change that. Wrong, one hit is all it takes. Addiction to hard drugs is a recognised illness in this country, that's why there are methodone clinics, free drug councelling & it's why people previously addicted to hard drugs are elligible for disability support pension. We all pay for that with our taxes & it costs less than housing a person in gaol. 4g is only personal use for Ben, that's not a supply quantity for an addict, hell, it's barely a days supply. The bloke needs treatment, maybe some time in a cell while undergoing drug councelling will give him the jolt he needs, who knows, every case is different. It probably won't help though, if you want drugs in a wa gaol, trust me, they are easy to get.

If you want to know how I know about this stuff, I spent 5yrs working voluntarily at a drop in centre for drug addicts in northbridge. I dealt with criminals, prostitutes & junkies all day every day. Before that, I was addicted to speed myself, which is pretty mild compared to the stuff Ben has taken. I've walked in those shoes, I've done the hard yards to get clean, I've helped lots of others get clean, try to get clean or fail, I've buried more friends in the last 15yrs than I care to remember.

In short, alot of you seem to have your heads stuck where the sun don't shine. Maybe it's time you come down off your pedestal & have a look at the world from where the rest of us live. You shouldn't critisise a persons life or decisions until you have walked a mile in thier shoes. I've walked that mile, have you?

Well thought out post graeme76.

But, I'm more angry that he's now trying to profit from others addictions, that's were Benny is now branching off into. Amazing to think how much money he must have blown on shit if he's now resorting to trafficing it and getting others addicted to pay the bills.

4 grams people. He wasn't dealing, that's just his weekend. True fact.

Non the less, he is a fuckin deadbeat, and I can't believe I stood up for him early on in the saga. Hope the prick gets a good old dry dicking in jail.

Yes, his old man is the bestest of best blokes.

Be interesting to see what the law makes of it, I'm going for slap on the wrist with a wet lettuce leaf myself.

$500 fine, 12 month suspended sentence & mandated drug councelling is the worst he will get.

In a manner of speaking.

How dare you people play this down??? Graeme76 i understand what you are saying but I don't support any further sympathetic views of Ben Cousins. It's known for years now that him and his mates like Michael G..... have been linked to the "untouchables" in Northbridge. Let this guy off on a suspended sentance will cost us more in real terms as he will need to be monitored and I suggest that he will re-offend. This guy has nothing else in his life now. Not even his family seem important. I'm sorry Ben. You were my idol. Now it's all up to you mate. It's also up to us to make sure our community is safe.

Remember the first time a mate or a aquantance wanted to do something you knew was wrong, you could be 5 or 50

you knew it was wrong. what was your choice?

When you left school if there were jobs around did you try for them however low paid or meanal, to help out your family and pay your way , choices.

My 12 year old daughter knows drugs are addtictive , life changing and pure hell on those love you the most.

so what adult at a party doesnt?

I speak from experience watching a person making 1 bad choice after another, despite all the support

and love in the world.

From my bitter experience , I have formed the view , wheather you agree or not, that addictive personalitys are purely selfish and

self absorbed.

Its all about them , not you, not us, and this is the way I see b.cousins.

Yes people need support , thats what familys do, but theres always a time, to let go, as some

people either cant or dont want to be saved.

Thanks Vince you said it well. You almost justify these peoples criminal actions with their excuse of addiction Graemme. I'm addicted to footy and fishing but I don't rob my mum for tackle and bait money. It's the families that need support when they've put their heart and sole into trying to save their son, brother daughter etc. How many chances do you give a bloke before you need to give him a kick up the arse. But you said it  limp slap on the wrist.

Too many excuses

Vince, I'm don't know if you are aware of how the legal system works but just in case you don't & for anyone else that may be interested, a suspended sentence does not mean you need monitoring. A suspended sentence is simply a minimum prison term that will be imposed IF you are caught reoffending. So a person might be given a 9 month/two year suspended sentence. That means if they get caught reoffending (for any offence) within that two year period, a mandatory 9 month prison term will be enforced & the offender will recieve more time on top of that for the offence they commited to breach the suspended sentence ordered by the courts On that suspended sentence example I gave the offender may be free in as little as 6 months. Monitoring is not carried out, that's for house arrest which is saved for the uber rich or for home detention, which some prisoners are granted under exceptional circumstances or if they are rich. 

I'm not playing anything down. What Ben has done is bad & it's terribly hurtfull to his child, family, friends & himself, even if he is not aware of it or doesn't care. Do you really think those same loved ones would rather see him thrown in gaol or given proper treatment though? Ben needs help & most of all his family need him to recieve that help & have him realise the harsh reality of the pain he has caused. That help doesn't come from within prison walls, again I know because I've been there. I wised up when I found out I was going to be a father & havn't been in trouble with the coppers for near on 15yrs. I can assure you though that me giving up drugs had nothing to do with me going to prison, I gave them up well after I was released from prison. It was purely that I was seeing things clearly enough to see where I would end up in another 5yrs & that it was simply unacceptable if I was going to be a father, so I sought help. I've never met anyone who was reformed from crime or drugs by the prison system, not one.

There are people basically saying that the only solution is to throw him in gaol. I'm sorry but that is not the only solution, in fact, 99 times out of 100, it won't help at all. Considering it costs well over $100,000 per year to house a single prisoner, that's alot of money to throw at something that is most likely going to fail. The cost of treating the addiction as an illness is far less, I've forgotten the figures but it's roughly 60% of prisoner housing from memory. As well as being cheaper, the success rate of rehabilitaion is way higher than prisons. There are lockdown facilities in this state for treating addicts & for some drugs there are very effective medical means of treatment, like naltraxone for heroin addicts. For those that don't know, naltraxone is a drug that stops the effects of heroin. No high = no addiction. It's been around for years & it works for 90% of patients that recieve it.

Sea-Kem, the fact that you want to compare an imagined addiction to footy & fishing, which I promise you, you are not addicted to no matter what you would like to think, to being addicted to hard drugs, just goes to show how uneducated you are about the subject. You clearly don't know enough about it to form an educated opinion. Maybe you could benefit from doing some reading on the subject of addiction. I would be interested to see how your view changed after you actually learnt what you were talking about.

I'm sorry if I've offended anyone in my posts but I'd be willing to bet that I've seen & dealt with more of this kind of thing in my time than anyone else on here so I feel compelled to speak up. Anyway, that's all from me on this subject, I see no further point in discussing it.

My fishing comment was tongue in cheek Graemme given the forum we are on. I could have used a harder analogy and I resent the fact that you feel you are the only one on here educated about the facts of drug taking and addiction so don't single me out. You will probably find and probaly already know the stats that about 90 percent of people you know have someone close to them with a drug problem. We are all entitled to our opinions on here.I'll say it again he needs a hard kick up the arse and a stint to inside to maybe jolt him into reallity.Quadfisher said it there are choices in life and Benny boy was big enough to make em, he fucked up and now everyone around him is paying his penalty.

Whatever happened to taking responsibility of your own actions?

Vince I'm sorry you feel like I'm singling you out, that is not my intention. The only reason I directly addressed you in that last post was to clarify the difference betwen monitoring & a suspended sentence. I should have made that clearer in the post, you have my apologies. I'd like to know where you come up with the idea that I think I'm the only one that has experience with these kinds of problems? I never said that, never implied it either. What I said is that I more than likely have MORE EXPERIENCE with these kinds of problems. At no point did I say that nobody else has experience & I never implied it. Perhaps you should try rereading my posts. Your opinion is every bit as valid as mine & I never said it wasn't, perhaps you don't like to debate things or are taking it the wrong way. You put forward your arguements & point of view, I respond with mine, then you resond to my points etc. If we don't agree, that's fine, it's supposed to be an open discussion where all people's views are relevant & of equal importance wether they have a deep understanding of the issue or only a passing interest. I'm not saying you have no experience or only a passing interest in the subject either so please don't take it that way.

Dodgy, nobody said he isn't responsible for his actions or that he doesn't ahve to take responsibility for his actions. He does, it's one of the biggest steps in recovery. Throwing someone in gaol isn't them taking responsibility though, it's us removing them from society. There's a huge difference.

Squidder, I'm all for taking a hard line on the manufacturers & suppliers. Drop mandatory 20yr sentences on them & maybe reintroduce the death penalty for them as well as a few other types of offenders. I don't think that kind of sentencing is going to do anything for the addicts though. After a long stint in gaol the addicts will no longer be able to function properly in society & it would just be another life thrown away. Treatment for the addicts big sentences for the makers & suppliers. There needs to be a serious look at what is classed as a supply quantity of each drug though before those sorts of laws are put in place. 4g really is only a days supply to an ice addict.

 CLOSE THIS SHIT DOWN.

 heard all the stories before. he got caught and now has to deal with it. 

everyone has their own opinions on it so just let it be. as far as i am concerned Ben is a has been. why carry it on. 

a lot of us have seen what drugs do to friends and families and its not good at all but when you get people argueing about this sort of thing it should be left alone.

Drugs ruin lives , not just the person taking them but the family as well. some people have support and some dont and thats the way it is and the way it always will be. 

Dont agree with what ben has done but if you think a stint in jail is the cure you are dreaming. He has a disease and it would only get worse in jail,dont know the answer but know jail isnt the cure. Faulkners the more people discuss the subject the more others become aware that its not the way to go. Hard drugs are a scourge on society and in the end its the dealers and manufactures that need to be culled.Maybe increase the jail terms for these scum is more the way to go than punishing the adicts. If nothing else ben is keeping the problem in the news and not swept under the carpet to be forgotten. feel sorry for his family and hope he can sort his s*&t out if not for him then for there sake.

onto the MEDIA,they helped create this and they love to keep it going

some of you guys actuelly have no idea.

- Please if he had a large enough quanitity on him, his assets would alrady be seized. You can get caught and charged with at fist sell and supply just because you have over 4 grams, doesnt meen its not for personal use. Seriously he has a major Meth Addiction, He wasnt dealing, why would he, he doesnt need the money.

- secondly for all you "no idea" people, who have never been affected by drugs or had a family member or some one close, you have no idea.honeslty no idea. You have no idea how much it can affect families and life with people close to you. Unforuntatley relapsing is a part of rehab, i dont know anyone that considers them selves "clean" that never relpased. The guy has a kid,a girlfirned who is a mother as well, He needs to get his life into perspective, but for all you saying throw him away to the inside, All that will do is make him worse. The guy hasnt murdered anyone, he hasnt robbed anyone, assulted, hes battling his own inner demons.

Drugs will eventuelly get you all some how some way, that are to relevant in life now unfortunately. and for some of you, who ahve never experienced it. Look out, because what you saying has to be the same when it comes down to some one you know.which is F*** him.

So many apologists on here preaching how everyone else has no idea.

Just because you have done speed, and been to jail, that doesn't give you any more authority to comment. You might not be the only person on this forum who has survived these experiences.

If the law states that 4 gm is an amount which carries an " intent to sell or supply " sentence, then that's that, Black and white no arguments.

Benny Boy has been running the gauntlet for years, his public affiliation with the Northbridge Crims and noncooperation with police when the shooting went down, has made him more of a target. 

If it was a personal amount like some are bleating, then why did he shove it up his date ? Guilty as sin in my book.

Remember the time he went to America for rehab, never got to the center, instead was picked up by a couple of prostitutes and a week later was admitted to hospital because he OD'd on coke. That's showing commitment.

It's blindingly obvious that Rehab is not working for him, so maybe incarceration is the last chance he has, because, let's face it, he is on a one way road at the moment. 

Oh, Faulkner you don't have to read the thread mate, never mind responding in such a negative manner.

Well said

reading the arguments for and against above it makes me think

if we went back to say 1950 if some one did what he did they were delt with fullstop

it would never had got to this stage

as sociaty has moved forward there now is  a mass of sympithists

this is what has made the world a not so nice place

you name a subject terrists ,rapests ,drugdealers ect there are a mass of sympithists the question is why?

 Prefaced by that fact that I am  someone who has managed to avoid a lot of the problems of drug abuse, both by choice and good fortune, so whilst I refuse to comment on the addiction debate for fear of being accused of having no idea, I do have this to say regarding the penalty:

In my uneducated opinion, another slap on the wrist is possibly going to fuel what appears to me to be a genuine "untouchable" sense of self, which has been delveloped over a lifetime of being raised on a pedestal by the general community and exaggerated further by the effects of the drugs. I think a slap on the wrist (being let off) will do him more harm than good as it will reinforce his percieved view that he can get away with anything because of who he is (remembering the drugs excentuate all this). Sadly I think the downward spiral will accelerate if he just goes on another rehab stint. A jail term may just provide the epiphany thats needed for him to actuall commit to getting help, as it might just jolt that "untouchable" image enough to commit to rehab and a new clean way of life.

I get the fact that drugs make you do stupid things and its not all their fault, its an illness etc and therefor the addict should be helped wherever possible, but in this case I think he needs that epiphany first, hard and fast before its too late.

Whatever happens, lets hope he gets better and can go on to lead a happy and productive life.

Seems as though events repeat themselves.

Benny went to America for re hab and ended up with prostitutes etc etc and now in Esperence for re hab, gets caught with junk up his bum, goes to court, gets bail then catches a taxi to the local brothel where he cannot come to terms with the girls on duty, catches a taxi back to re hab, gets kicked out, back to court then on a flight back to Perth.

Sorry, but he'll get no sympathy from me

ill predict the future

he will die from some sort of overdose

but the media and mass sympithists will say how he was such a wonderful human being blah balh blah award him some medal

and lots of  the kids watching all this over the last few years will say i wanna be just like him

and it will all begin over again

After reading most of the comments in this forum I think you all should be ashamed of yourselves.

Most of you have such terrible grammar!

he didn't play for collingwood (so cant be considered a real man) so not interested!

who started this controversial thread anyway......

Have to say it's a bloody good one

I don't want to point the finger...  Never the less this is a serious issue. Let's not make light of it.

Apart from krabmans comments this has been an interesting discussion

Some people are like ostrichs, they cant seem to handle like minded people shareing a thought or a opinion,

however passionate, without sticking there head somewhere.

Leading on to this . I have always championed fishing, camping ,and the outdoors as a great way to

keep young minds challenged , and interested through a passion or hobby.

It gives me great heart to see and hear young bucks like jeffree , chris fish , and others really

getting stuck in , boots and all , to our great sport.

The goverment in their usual 1/2 speed thinking have never , imo, really fully supported youths in these pursuits

in keeping with its level of interest. Think of young sport budgets for footy, netball , cricket etc,

and ask how much goes into encouraging young people to fish , camp etc.

In fact at a guess more $ would be spent at the moment on locking people out, banning camping

redoing endless regulations etc than would ever be spent on helping kiddies find there way through

a mine field, called life, by teaching them respect and appreciation, for themselves and others, via

the great leveller, nature.

My 12 year  and 15!!! year old girls still come fishn with dad ( sometimes with a prod) something

I intend to keep alive as long as possible.

cheers.

Certainly brings a new definition to the term, 'Bumcrack"'

"Cheers

Mullows