Banax Kingpins busted on day one!!

Ok so we bought 2 kingpins as soon as they came out as they seemed to be a good reel for your dollar but we were wrong! Now we took them out for the first time jigging for sambos, had several hookups on each and were initially wrapped with the performance. The drag was super smooth, they felt good to use and they landed some big fish, however they obviously have a design fault. As you can see in the picture the reel stem snapped clean off from the main body of the reel!! On reel one this happened after 5 fish and on reel two after only 4 fish. One reel you could put down to a monday build but two reels is more than a coincidence especially at the exact same spot! Obviously a weak spot in the reel and i hope that banax recall these reels and fix the problem. Overall the reels were good and if it wasn't for this problem i would be happy to keep on using it. So if you are thinking of getting one i would reconsider, at least until they change the design. More photos are available if you are interested. Now to find that extra $1000 for a Saltiga!


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by the way thats home made

Tue, 2009-12-29 18:02

by the way thats home made beef jerky in the bag!

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Banax Kingpin 5000

Wed, 2009-12-30 10:36

 

Hi All

Adam has just brought this thread to my attention. Although I am disappointed the reels have done this, I am equally surprised, as we have tested the reels for over a year and we have never had the stems give way, and of all the Kingpins sold in Australia this is the first reels that we have seen this happen on. We can only speculate on what the problem is so we are getting them back and will send the reels to Banax to see what they think. It could something as simple as being dropped in transit that causes these issues and the fact that it has happened in a pair makes me think something like this is the case. I will keep everyone posted on the outcome as we are 100% behind the quality of the gear coming from Banax as many of the forum members will testify.

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any news on the banax kingpins

Thu, 2010-01-28 12:44

was curious have you heard from the manufacturer about these reels yet & have there been any others returned?

 

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thats no good!

Tue, 2009-12-29 18:05

There are other options (Spheros/Saragosa/Fin Nor) that dont cost the earth.....

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Haha damn.

Tue, 2009-12-29 18:05

Haha damn.

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beef jerky ay?

Tue, 2009-12-29 18:15

lol

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Maybe

Tue, 2009-12-29 18:22

Maybe its the menthol mix

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i feel like some beef jerky now

Tue, 2009-12-29 18:33

it looks good

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thats a very bad

Tue, 2009-12-29 18:43

thats a very bad sign.

shitty looking die cast material.

i'll be keeping well clear. (but did look to have it's work cut out)Wink

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Bummer, some nice fish though

Tue, 2009-12-29 19:16

Big believer you get what you pay for....

Can kinda picture the reel being pulled up smashing your bottom rod guide :P

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Dont buy a ryobi either!

Tue, 2009-12-29 19:17

Dont buy a ryobi either! Stella time

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had the same problem before

Tue, 2009-12-29 19:23

had the same problem before with another brand of reel

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Beef jerky hey!

Tue, 2009-12-29 19:25

jerky doesnt give you the munchies like that. So you start eating your rodTongue out

bad luck on the reels tho real bummer..

Hope you werent chewing on them too:P

whered you purchase them btw?

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penn spinfisher

Tue, 2009-12-29 19:36

a penn spinfisher will solve that problem, cheap and very good rep

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bought them both from carry

Tue, 2009-12-29 19:44

bought them both from carry on fishing and camping world in kelmscot, they gave refunds on both reels straight away. Has any one used the fin nor reels as thats what i was originally looking at.

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HI LURCHA...TYPE IN FIN NOR

Tue, 2009-12-29 20:32

HI LURCHA...TYPE IN FIN NOR REELS IN THE SEARCH PART OF THIS PAGE...ALL COMMENTS WILL COME UP....bugger about the broken reels........my fin nor is great but yet to be really tested.

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Ha, I knew those Banax reels

Tue, 2009-12-29 20:54

Ha, I knew those Banax reels were crap, time to trade up to something more substantial.

JMO

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2nd sambo

Wed, 2009-12-30 11:12

That second sambo is a donkey, spewn the flash didn't go off, would nearly be a cover shot on any mag.

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Yep!!

Wed, 2009-12-30 16:02

That sambo has got one hell of a "boof" head on it!!

 Nice fish!

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im not out to put these

Wed, 2009-12-30 20:42

im not out to put these reels down but i seriously doubt its from being dropped in transit as both boxes were in good conditions and the reels were given a thorough look over when bought. Also wondering what sort of fishing were these reels tested on? Was it heavy jigging for the likes of sambos or smaller varieties of fish? As i said earlier the reel is good apart from this problem!

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banax kingpin 5000

Thu, 2009-12-31 10:32

I was at the shop when both reels were purchased & I thoroughly checked them over & they were in perfect working order & the packaging was unmarked. I was also fishing on the two days they broke in half & I guarentee if we had another one it will break in the exact same spot. It is obviously a bad design fault apart from that the reels performed beautifully smooth drag & great to use.

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its ugly but the speroses do

Thu, 2009-12-31 10:35

its ugly but the speroses do the job,saragosa look nicer,i got the stella 20000sw and its no fun mate u can lockem up and scull drag the sambos

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If budget is a concern

Thu, 2009-12-31 10:50

If budget is a concern another option may be the Diablo reels by Tuff Tackle, I have seen these and they look strong,  were tested by charter operators before being released and they apparently passed with flying colours.  I think they are around the $300-400 mark.  I had a bit more $ to play with so got a Diawa Catalina - just waiting till april to put it through its paces.

 

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*cough cough*. They say

Thu, 2009-12-31 11:08

*cough cough*. They say charters tested them, but I know a certain charter who used them and found they werent quite as 'tuff' as they claimed. Considering the circumstances I have to wonder just how much testing they did (getting the drag pulled once in 10 trips doesnt count as real testing). They're now using a diff model, will have to ask how those ones are doing (the price is twice as much though).

This marks 4 reels this season I've seen that have been claimed to be tough 80lb reel but just dont live up to the claim. A manufacturer can claim whatever they want, but the proof is in the real world under fish that pull real hard and lots of them a day for multiple days. They may claim they have heaps of drag, but that doesnt mean much if the antireverse fails, the handles fall off or parts crack.

Does look pretty thin metal where it has cracked. Would be interesting to see some closer up shots of tha lurcha?

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SW charters use tough tackle reels

Thu, 2009-12-31 19:36

The skipper said he highly recommended them.

I gave one a go and was very impressed for the price range its in.....these guys are out sambo jigging on a daily basis and they hold up to the job pretty well...cant be too bad.

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You serious? Said skipper

Thu, 2009-12-31 21:01

You serious? Said skipper was cursing them when I was there. Of course 3 of them died on us that day!

When I went out with SW charters on Tuesday he had replaced all the 9000s with 10000s and someone still managed to break a handle. Fortunately he is now stocked with spare handles for these occasions!

I don't want to come across as a tackle snob, but if you can afford it go get a stella, saltiga etc. These tufftackle reels 'may' be reasonable in terms of price vs performance -I don't know-, but from what I've seen there aren't in the same basket as stellas, saltigas. They list Nomad as one of their "users and testers", but when I went on a Nomad charter late last year I didn't see any, maybe Jay or RobC who have been more recently can confirm whether or not they use them. From what I've seen from their videos/trip reports Damon Olsen uses SW stellas.

It would appear that tufftackle and other brands offer a solid warranty, and stand by their product which is great. But if you're a serious fisho and you lost the fish of a lifetime because your gear failed you'd be pissed, no warranty is gonna bring back that fish. If you've paid big $$$ to go on an exotic fishing holiday and your gear dies on you on day 1, a warranty means squat! Checkout gtpopping.com which is full enthusiasts who fish exotic locations targeting big GTs and doggies and see what brands people use. 

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Am I serious???

Thu, 2009-12-31 21:17

Of course theyre not in the same league as stellas and saltigas 

Thats why theyre half the fkn price.....I personally own saltigas, but as i stated for their price i think they are a fantastic reel.

Add > Also remember these reels are abused daily buy people who dont have good technique or know what theyre doing, I saw reels getting smashed into hand rails, no lift and wind on lowering technique, these reels cop some serious abuse on a daily basis, no wonder a few handles get broken occasionally.

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Oh, what I meant by my

Thu, 2009-12-31 21:27

Oh, what I meant by my  'are you serious' comment was that I'm surprised Craig appeared happy with them, he seemed pretty annoyed at them while I was there. He called Simon from tufftackle a few times that trip. 

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Just wanted to get my facts right

Thu, 2009-12-31 21:41

I quoted half the price of a saltiga...I was wrong

Checked online $349 for a Diablo 9000, 1/4 the rrp of a saltiga expedition, spose a spare handle might cost 50 bucks or so.

Cool

Or you can get the sniper 10 000 for $695 - 30kg drag, (half a saltigas rrp) which is the reels he had onboard the day i went...(also with a 15 year warranty)

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So you're going to keep sets

Thu, 2009-12-31 23:19

So you're going to keep sets of spare handles for when the handles or knobs snap off (when, not if). What about the cost of line when you cant retreive it in? What if that was the only reel you had for the day?

A 15 year warranty doesnt mean squat when you have to send it back a few times per season. What are you going to fish with when its being fixed? Sure it gets fixed for free, but how much is it really costing you. I'd rather pay three times for a stella that I know is actually going to last me several seasons without having to constantly send it back. For barely more than a cost of a charter and a half extra, you could get a stella over a sniper 10000 too. Or why not get a Ryobi (which will cost about the same as the 9000, but will need to go in for replacement much less often).

They might claim 30kg drag, but dont think that its going to that much or anything smooth that high (even half of that, the drag wont be smooth).  Anyone can claim anything on paper, but backing it up in the real world is a different thing. If you want to believe the claims, or choose to have a reel that will crap itself so you're out of a reel for a few weeks during the hot part of the season, then thats your choice.  Personally, I think its a false economy.

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As I stated clearly..I use Saltiga reels

Thu, 2009-12-31 23:49

As I also stated for their price range theyre a good reel....

If you want to spend between 1000 to 1600 get a saltiga, if you have a budget of $300 - $600 odd id highly recommend them

You can twist it anyay you want comparing them to a stella or a saltiga, compare apples to apples not apples to oranges hlokk

ADD> Curious how many sambos these charter reels landed before the handle broke....100 sambos? 200? 400? more? remembering theyre being used day in day out...Im sure theyll cope fine with the average joes catching maybe lets be generous - 20 or 30 sambos a season?

 

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The problem is that

Fri, 2010-01-01 00:03

The problem is that tufftackle claims they are as good as if not better than stellas, saltigas.  Undecided 

Infact check out these claims: they're just re-bodied saltigas!

http://tu3be04.en.embiz.net/
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Never heard of a 7000 sized

Fri, 2010-01-01 00:18

Never heard of a 7000 sized Saltiga before???? If you find one let me know ok

Last time I looked they were 6500

No wonder your such a wealth of wisdom with info like this at your finger tips Laughing

http://www.tufftackle.com.au/diablosniper10000.html

Theres the official website, didnt see any claims of it being a rebadged dogfight on there....

Anyway Ive said my piece... happy new year and all that

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yeah, just stirring! happy

Fri, 2010-01-01 00:27

yeah, just stirring! happy new year dude.

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I was on the same charter

Thu, 2009-12-31 18:04

I was on the same charter with Matt, when we saw 3 diablo 9000s break on the same day! passed with flying colours? they went flying back to the supplier I heard.

+1 for the stella 20000sw Wink. Apart from the fact mine was missing a washer for the handle (must have been lost when someone swapped over to RHW) its been sweet. 

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unfotunately i dont think we

Thu, 2009-12-31 11:44

unfotunately i dont think we have any pics much closer than that but will check when i get home, there are a few different angles but not much else. The casing does seem thin compared to other reels but i think the problem lies in the placement of the screw, its right on the edge of the plate and would carry a a lot of pressure when under load. you can see in the pic its snapped around the screw. anyway onto the hunt for a new reel, i was actually looking at the tuff tackle reels but came across the perth charter that used them on another forum and has since raised concerns. seems our sambo jigging is the real testing ground for these heavy duty reels!  I was considering the diablo sniper 10000, has anyone used one of these?

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Get a second hand FA for

Thu, 2009-12-31 12:38

Get a second hand FA for about the same price Wink

(I'll ask how the 10000 snipers are going).

 

If you have the pics straight from the camera there might be enough there to zoom in (depending what camera you used).

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cheers mate would appreciate

Thu, 2009-12-31 15:30

cheers mate would appreciate that, dont want to buy something that hasn't been tested thoroughly. I zoomed in on the pic for ya, much closer and it started getting a bit pixilated.

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Diablo

Thu, 2009-12-31 15:44

Wouldnt waste my money on a Diablo plenty of other reels around that I would look at first.

 

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Fin Nor

Thu, 2009-12-31 17:57

The fin nor will do it, but remember it hasn't got instant anti reverse, I have used one jigging with no prob with PE8 on it.

 

If your serious about jigging then get an overhead they are built tougher.

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hmmm a lot to take in, think

Fri, 2010-01-01 14:30

hmmm a lot to take in, think i'll just hock a few things and go for the stella. Last thing i want is being up exmouth and havin a broken reel so i might as well go for something that has a good history. Cheers for the help guys

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Fin Nor

Fri, 2010-01-01 17:16

As I said the only prob with the offshore is the anti reverse it isn't "instant" if you can live with that then that is good, they are built tough, I would not hessitate buying one for GT popping with PE10, or Sambo jigging with pe8.

 I know of a 750 offshore thats been used weekly jigging for the last 4 years with just regular maint needed (grease the gears and clean the reel) they have one hell of a drag system on them.

PS I can't see anyone saying they are sambo jigging day in day out with the weather we have in WA , lucky to get 3 fishable days a week in summer.

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the only drawback to the Fin Nor

Fri, 2010-01-01 17:29

IMO is the weight - they built like a tank but that means they are heavy suckers!

 

I'd hate to be casting poppers all day with it. Jigging would be less of a hassle.

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Add > Also remember these

Sat, 2010-01-02 11:04

Add > Also remember these reels are abused daily buy people who dont have good technique or know what theyre doing, I saw reels getting smashed into hand rails, no lift and wind on lowering technique, these reels cop some serious abuse on a daily basis, no wonder a few handles get broken occasionally.

 

Hi Kane,

That's exactly what I suspected about the handles on Craigs boat.

As soon as I saw the new pics on his website, and saw the hand rails, all the truth about the handles became very clear.

I've been on a boat with the same rails, and because there is no reverse switch on the reels, if the reel rolls under it, and the handle rolls up under the rail, the only way to get it out is to remove the reel from the reel seat, or bust off the handle, by slamming it up out of the rod holder and shattering the knob shaft.

Craigs boat is the only boat where a handle has ever been broken, except Nomad broke the male handle shaft on a 50kg plus GT in March 2009 during tests (Diablo 9000) winching 50kg at full lock, mind you they break everything Saltiga's Stella's Accurates etc. Which is easy to do in shallow reefs (pump/wind simultaniously by mistake @ 20kg drag.) The 9000 is 80lb not 100+ lb, so Nomad was suprised the rest of the reel didn't faulter. And to Damon's admission they pushed it way beyond it's recommended max 80lb line class.

 (pump/wind simultaniously by mistake @ 20kg drag.)

I don't care what reel is being used, that situation will break the weakest link in any reel, unless you're using a very low ratio overhead which is useless for jigging.

Nomad did all the initial trials of the Sniper, no probs. Except the Shafts got beefed up after the Nomad trial, because the Saltiga gear shafts bend, under a (pump/wind error) so we made it stronger than that, with a handle /gear shaft breaking load of 200kg.

Fact is you can't break the handles in a vice, when pushing by hand, you can if you strike it hard with a hammer (or hand rail) as the knob shafts are hardened 630 stainless steel (high tensile) As I don't know anyone that winds a handle with a hammer, it's not an issue. It's not a warranty issue, it's straight out miss-use. given the handle breaking staight is 200kg of direct knob pressure.

So I sent him rubber knobs, and will also be sending him a pic of how to modify the rails to comply with survey, with gaps infront of the rod holders.

He also told me punters where busting the Xzoga rods (4 is what he told me)

My Comment to Craig " Why hand over $1000 outfits to inexperienced punters, give them an Alvey and a broom stick, to jig with" Lately he told me he is instructing inexperienced punters how to pump and wind.

 

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Alvey

Sun, 2010-01-03 18:51

Are you saying an Alvey is stronger .

 

Can you show us just how to jig with an Alvey.

 

Do you have a PE rating for these reels, some PE lines don't give an actual breaking strain on the spool.

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tufftackle, how is it you

Sun, 2010-01-03 19:14

tufftackle, how is it you think his rails don't comply to survey?Undecided

seen plenty of "experts" rail a reel in my time too,not just on charter boats either.

if it was my gear i'd be going a broomstick to the back of the head to aid instruction.

 

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I was on the charter with

Sun, 2010-01-03 22:38

I was on the charter with craig when I saw 2 handles go, from memory the handles went while people where jigging or had a fish on. Maybe a bad batch? You may not be able to break a newly manufactured handle in a vice, but surely this is different to putting it under repetitive stress and causing metal fatigue? on inspection of the other handles there appeared to be a bit of 'play' between the grip and the shaft which may have contributed to focusing the stress on the same area which broke on both reels

Sure not everyone has perfect pump/wind technique, but to be honest when you're using barbless hooks and you need to keep the pressure on while the boat is bobbing up & down to keep the fish hooked I reckon some pump/wind error is to be expected. After-all tufftackle markets the range as tougher than saltigas/stellas don't they? Sidenote: Craig was instructing the newbies on proper technique when I was there.

Keep in mind Craig does use 80lb braid (as the diablo was rated) and these reels were apparently only 1 week old. To be fair the fishing was crazy, and it was almost a fish each drop, so that would be ALOT of fish during that time.

Charter operators over west must do things differently, they love fishing and enjoy seeing ppl have fun catching fish! sure give them a broom stick + alvey to fish with, painful/less fun for the customers (that's if they manage to jig something with that crappy combo!) but make more profits. Or given them reasonable gear let them have fun, and they'll return for regular jigging trips during the season!

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Exactly what you expected

Sun, 2010-01-03 23:09

Exactly what you expected Simon? If you'd bothered to look into it instead of jumping to conclusions you would have found that the rod holders are standard height and the reels sit above them when stored. The 'truth' hey? Sounds pretty definative from someone who hasn't stepped on the boat don't you think? Besides, even if they get stuck, who's going to smash the reel to get it out?

As with breaking them with a hammer, again, you're jumping to conclusions. I was out when  at least 3 9000's broke on the day. The knobs that snapped off snapped off during pumping and winding, not on the rails and there  for cranking out instead of pump and wind... First you can't winch in sambos like that, it's pretty damn hard (have you been jigging?) and even a novice will pick that up pretty quick. Second, you said you can't break the handles by putting them in a vise and trying to break them by hand (you claim you need a hammer). So you claim it's s FACT you can't break them in a vise, but by having them on a rod now you can? Lol. Either you can break them by hand or you can't. Which is it? Are you suggesting people can apply 200kg of force to the handle when jigging? (or is it only the snipers that are 'tuff').

Though, the amount of force applied to the handle isn't what causes a knob to fail (a force on the handle creates a torque at the shaft at the base). If you'd bothered to look into it you'd find that the failure mechanism was not brute strength but something called fatigue. The knobs that snapped off clearly showed this (I.e. They didn't fail due to a single strong bow). Repeated flexing action causes failure after many cycles. You can't snap a paperclip with your bare hands... unless you flex it back and forth til it snaps. A well designed knob handle will prevent this (by design and tolerances). Let me know if anyone wants more details on this.
So that's the knobs on the 9000's, (though I did see a handle fail due to torsional shear). I haven't seen the 10000's in action though. I'm guessing the 9000's are still claimed tough though? ;)

You say the 9000's are 80lb reels not 100+. Ok, every reel has a rating but I don't think 80 is accurate. The drag the reels were set at wasn't all that high to be honest. They definately werent being pushed beyond their (claimed) limits. 
 
As mav suggested, how do you jig with an alvey, haha. Sure you've actually been jigging?

If I'm coming across as a little harsh, it's probably in response to your attitude Simon. I'm not intending to come across as agressive, but i do want to address the points (and i cam be fairly direct). Simon, this is how i see it: You have numerous grandiose claims on your website then you join up to a forum to blast a customer while jumping to several assumptions. Instead of suggesting possible causes, you directly accuse them. Had you demonstrated you understood how they failed, then perhaps my tone would be different. Instead of using it as an opportunity to improve your reels, you just stubbornly assert how tuff they are. I can't say I give much respect to a company that refuses to even entertain the notion that their reels could do with improvement or changes and instead asserts with much chest puffing just how strong they are as if to question it is to question the gods. If a user of your reels is wrong and misused them then there is a good way and a bad way to go about it. 

I'd love to see an Australian company take the heavy reel market by storm and create something just as strong as the stellas or saltigas (and at a slightly lower price). You're not going to get to that position if you just blame anglers instead of using that opportunity for improvement. Daiwa, shimano, etc are constantly improving their reels (and they haven't just started out). If you want the reputation and a position up there with the best, I don't think you are going to acheive it unless you change your attitude. Chest bearing and denying any negative feedback isn't going to get you there. 

Maybe I'm wrong though. Maybe I've got your attitude wrong. It's hard to be sure when you only have limited info... ;)

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hahaha

Sun, 2010-01-03 23:29

Keyboard heros at their finest LaughingLaughingLaughing

I have to admit i find it amusing another induvidual who was bagging them out for their handles breaking has another post wanting to buy a spare handle for a stella Laughing

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Don't worry haven't broken

Mon, 2010-01-04 04:11

Don't worry haven't broken it (not saying they are unbreakable either); my other half fishes left hand wind and i'd rather buy another handle than fiddle around changing the pin when she wants to have a fish. 

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Mon, 2010-01-04 04:21

Fishing for a bite and.......... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz bam got it! Hook line and sinker! Cool

It is a fishing site after all Wink

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What a read

Mon, 2010-01-04 00:48

What a read! Im with you Kane!

I don't usally get into this but there seem to be a lot of people on here bagging the sh1t out of reels. I understand totally that you get what you pay for with fishing gear and stellas and saltigas are the holy grail for a lot of people on here but spare a thought for someone who might have been saving up a bit of coin to get a $300 reel for sometime and all half the people on here can say is they are crap and you should have bought a stella.

It is a shame when gear fails but most if not all tackle stores would go out of there way to fix the problem and get the person out there fishing again as soon as possible.

Im going fishing, maybe some people on here should think about doing the same.....

Happy New year to everyone and hope its a good one! With Stellas or without.....

 

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I don't think anyone on this

Mon, 2010-01-04 04:37

I don't think anyone on this thread is trying to put down people who don't have a saltiga/stella etc.

Some forum members had made a recommendation about a particular replacement option and some of us happened to see 3 of the manufacturers reels break on the same day, only 1 week old. Hopefully sharing this kinda of information will help people make an informed decision when making their next purchase.

 

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Are you saying an Alvey is

Mon, 2010-01-04 07:22

Are you saying an Alvey is stronger .

 

Can you show us just how to jig with an Alvey.

I was being sarcastic !! an Alvey is an idiot proof reel, but useless for jigging.

 

Hlokk, you seem to have totally disregarded Kane's first comments about the reels getting smashed into the rails.

Craig's boat is the ONLY boat where this has occured, After many conversations with actual pro's, that I deal with, and fish with on a regular basis, about craigs issue, that was taken very seriously, they and myself are completely dumb founded, by what the true cause is.

Without fracturing the handles with a hard shock, it's impossible to break the knob shafts by hand.

Craig told me the 9000's were set at full (20kg), winching against 20kg of drag, with an accidentaly fractured knob shaft, will eventually cause failure, and to re-iterate "you won't retrieve any line that way"

And you know so much about engineering, 630 stainless does not work harden, or bend, you are refering to other materials. Like I explained previously, it needs to be shattered. You would also know the ratios and design of an egg beater, makes them useless winches above 1kg, hence the need and sport of "pump and wind action " being completely different to a low ratio overhead "winch"

And while we don't supply every pro, because most are allready sponsored by other brands with FREE gear, some of them still use our reels for personal use, and highly recommend them to some of the 40 retailers we have, based on their performance, coming from highly respected pro's within the industry, who's lively hood depends on their recomendations, and industry respect.

One of those retailers in Karatha, who got onto us by a pro's recommendation, who I also discussed the issue with, he didn't get it either, he landed a 12' bronzie and a 47kg GT easily, but then again he knows how to use a reel properly for it's intended use.

I also know full well, by dealing with alot of pro's around the country, that alot of reels way above the $1000 mark, flog out and fail more than the sponsored users let on.

Another missing bit of usefull info, is most of the buyers of the 400 Diablo reels we sell each month, buy them because they want a reel they can use, without having to worry about wrecking $1000+ reels, they also own.

The other advantage is, if they do break something in an unfortunate accident, they can get the parts within 2 days not wait 3 months to get it from overseas.

Also missing is the reason Craig aproached us was to replace another brand that Hlokk recommends as superior, that all the gears totally stripped out in 2 months on his boat. Which is a very expensive fix to replace a whole gear set in a reel that cost him more than double the price of a Diablo 9000 reel.

So from all the info above it is obviously clear.

- The reels are getting smashed on the SS rails, (which could be modified and still conform with survey requirements) to remove the reel crash "damage" issue.

And reels sold to charter don't have a warranty, warranties of any brand don't cover "rental" which is what a charter is (you rent the gear) we just look after charter operations, even if they bullsh#t to us, we can still find useful info,  because the feedback we get from them goes into new product design, hence the Sniper 10000 is a design based on 3 years of charter feedback, and what fails on the $1000+ plus reels, has been deliberatley designed "out" of the Sniper. Every designed product by any brand has it's limits. Designing a new reel with a rubber handle, is not a great idea, to satisfy accidental damage.

The weakest link on the 9000 (if hit with a hammer or hand rail to fracture it) is a more convenient (cheaper and easy replacement) weak link than a whole gear box, rotor or body.

Line class for the 9000 is 50-80lb, the Sniper is 80-130lb. Treated properly and used as intended, you can't break them, and they certainly don't flog out.

I am not sure if there is any suggestion you can winch a 40kg+ fish with a more expensive Japanese spinning reel ??? And still no mention of the 4 broken $500 rods on the same boat.

While I appreciate you admire and respect your $1300 Japanese reel, there's also 1000's of our customers who feel the same about their $300 and $700 Australian assembled Tufftackle reels, that do the same job.

 Simon

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Ok

Tue, 2010-01-05 18:51

Ok, lets address some points shall we.

 

(for those who cant be bothered reading all of it, I highlighted the main points if you just want to skim through)

 

Actually, I didnt totally disregard Kanes post, but you seem to have ignored mine. On lots of different boats, reels occasionally get smashed into handrails. It can be a cause of failure (did it happen in this case when i was out several times? no). There was no specific mention that the reels Kane saw were actually 'tuff' reels anyways, so again you're jumping to conclusion and only listening to what you want to hear and just disregarding the things you dont want to hear (or dont want others to hear)

Your posts are contradictory. You said before that breakages were due to not pumping and winding, but then you said you cant break it in a vise by hand. You cant have it both ways, which is it?

You still mention winching. Are you saying that the reels cant support 200kg on the handle, or are you saying that people can apply 200kg of force when winching?

When I was out, I saw a few knobs break off. The guys were still holding them in their hands. I think they would have known if they'd smashed into the rails as they probably would have broken some knuckles (after all, according to you it takes 200kg to break them off). I saw the knobs up close and they failed due to fatigue. There was no doubt about it, it was classic signs. The whole shaft did not fracture. I know what a shaft broken via fatigue and one broken by a single blow is, and it was definately the first. Regardless of what you claim with the metal, thats still what happened. It did not shatter, all the knobs had clear signs of fatigue. The shaft at the base of the handle that I saw that bent failed due to ductile shear, so that didnt shatter either. 

Theres no way the reels were pushing 20kg. I've spoken to Craig about it before, and he was definately not running 20kg drag. They cant run 20kg anyways, as the vast majority of people cant hold onto a rod with a drag setting that strong, and second of all, the drag wasnt smooth enough at high settings to run it properly. They were not being run above the line class (I tried pulling line of them to get an idea, and it definately was not above the line class). Funny though, because your website claims 20kg of drag... cant they fish what you advertise? ;)

The other reels you're talking about are still cheaper than the 9000's, so either you're lying, or you're mistaken. The reels were spheros's which are cheaper than your reels. They actually lasted two seasons, not two months either, so get your facts straight. The previous reels did not cost twice a diablo.

You say you made the handle the weakest link, so as to not wreck the whole gear box, fair enough. However, you claimed before that it would take 200kg to break it. Thats a pretty big amount of force. Are you saying that I would be able to put the reel on a rod and put all my weight on the handle and it wouldnt break? The handle is supposedly the weakest part, and it can support 200kg by your claims, so me weighing a fair bit under 100kg shouldnt have any problems standing on it, right? Can I stand on a handle, or is this just another contradiction?

From the 9000's, the damage in just one season (and it was barely a month before several failed).

At least 6 knobs failed (because there was too much play and they fatigued off).
At least 3 handles snapped off inside the body/gear connection.
One reel had a bail arm snap off.
The reels dont level wind evenly either (they bunch up at the top so you cant run a full spool).
The drag under low settings is fine, but push it to 8-10kg (appropriate for a 50-80lb reel) and it sticks a bit (want me to upload videos?). Push it any higher and it occasionally seizes.

The 10000s are better, with better drag and gears. However, as of last time I talked to him about it, 2 of Craigs 10000s are out of action due to the handles snapping off at the body (and at least one knob). Both failed while still in the hands of anglers (apparently anglers who were the incredible hulk as supposedly they could push 200kg of force out on just one arm). There have been at least two iterations of the handles too. The first two designs snapped. I heard from someone else that there will be a third one out soon. Hopefully will fix the design problems of the previous two designs. That being that they snapped off at the body, plus removing the play in the handle that causes it to hit the rotor arm occasionally. Hopefully this time the stainless spacers at the base of the reel will be on with a little tighter tolerance so they dont keep falling out due to side play.

 

Mate, used properly, they're breaking. Instead of accepting and improving, you just bag out people without getting your facts straight (or even internally consistent). Instead of working it out, you're just trying to counter it all with a "we're really tuff, and out reels never fail because we're so good".

I completely understand why some people want $300 and $700 reels instead of paying over $1000, but you're claiming they are just as strong as reels that cost over $1000 designed by teams of designers with decades of experience and manufacturered with a company with decades of experience who built up their reputation the hard way. In my experience, they're not as strong. They dont do the same job (or at least, not as well ;) ).Build a reel that is as strong as you claim, and make it cheap, and i'll heartily endose it. Compared to a stella or a saltiga, maybe they wont be quite as smooth or refined, but if its just as strong, then fine, for that price it'd still be a good reel. However, I dont think your reels live up to that. Seeing several break on just a few trips, all your claims of 'tuffness' just arent being backed up. 


There are several contradictions in your posts. There are several things that just arent correct. It comes out as you just trying desperately to come up with an answer to explain it (because after all, it cant possibly be that your reels arent as tuff as you're boasting can they....). You're just throwing answers out there, hoping one will stick, and will either hope no-one will notice that you're claiming two contradictory things (or didnt notice it yourself). Not only are they failing (everyones reels sometimes fail), but you cant even accept that you could be wrong (and several comments you have posted, are wrong). Poor form.

Regardless of the reels, if you're attitude had been different, we probably would be having a different conversation.

 

 

(SteveB, you may have had two reels fail (we cant be sure why at this stage), but I commend you for taking a decent attitude towards it.)

 

 

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......

Tue, 2010-01-05 22:06

what the........? i read the high lighted bits and it was still to long........ get out and fish!

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tuff tackle

Sun, 2010-01-10 17:06

well i was considering a tuff tackle reel at one point but i wonder what attitude i'd get if i made a warranty claim?? Surely theres a recreational fisho out there that has one and can put there opinion in!?!?

Stress less guys and keep fishing

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Until we actually get back

Mon, 2010-01-11 14:16

Until we actually get back something to inspect, it's just 'here say'

Under a micro scope we can see if the knob shafts have been scored, basicly if we can't bust them bouncing off them with full force in a vice, the claims make no sense.

Anyone who knows how to use spin gear, knows you can't winch with them (any brand) Winching 20kg @ 4.1:1 = 82kg of handle pressure without any rod angle. In other words if you weigh 80kg you should be able to stand on your spinning reel handle with the rotor locked up. I don't know any reel on the market other than a 80W that might handle that sort of stress.

Breaking strain is 200kg, if you bounce 80kg repeatedly on the handle something needs to let go.

 Simon

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Just "here say"?

Mon, 2010-01-11 15:07

Just hearsay you say? You seemed awfully confident before I seem to recall you claiming the truth about some rails you've never even seen in person. You were awfully confident that the handle knobs can only fail due to fracturing and claimed that the issue was taken seriously and you were dumfounded. Well, if you claim now that you haven’t even seen the knobs, of course you would be completely dumfounded ;)



The claims of the knobs make no sense because you completely disregard fatigue wear. I saw the knobs, I know how they failed looking at them. Notice your use of "if we can't". Cause if you cant understand it, it must be everyone else whos wrong, right? This is called an appeal to personal incredulity. Just because you cant understand how they could have failed, does not mean there is no explanation.

Though, this claim is a little silly as at the end of the post, you say breaking strain in 200kg (well, actually its a force, check with your engineers...if any were involved in the design) and if you bounce 80kg repeately on it, something needs to let go. Guess what? Thats fatigue. Repeated stress below the ultimate (or yield) stress. If it can only fail by fracturing (as you claimed before) then the thing cant break off below 200kg (unless the 200kg figure is wrong).



Winching 20kg @ 4.1:1 = 82kg? Oh dear. You're supposed to be the manufacturer and you're falling for that? Please tell me you actually know how a reel works. Heres a quick question: If I have one overhead reel and the reel is 4:1 and another reel which is 5:1. Which reel is faster, and which requires more force to crank a given load?



Theres no way the reels were running 20kg (you've disregarded me again, because its not what you want to hear). Theres no way you can wind 80kg in a circle. Can you lift 80kg with one arm? Try even 20kg. You just cant winch in forces that you are talking about. You said the handles are the weak point and they break at 200kg, so whats the problem anyways, its still less than a tenth of what you claim the strength is (of the weakest part it).



And I asked if I could stand on one of your reels handles, not one of mine. So tell me, can I get one of your tufftackle reels and stand on the handle handle and it wont break? Are you going to back up your claims of it taking 200kg to break?







Well, it appears that you since retracted some statements since I typed this up, but I think there are a few addressable points as it will clear a few things up. At this stage, I will refrain from posting your actual comments of your accusations, but may decide to at a later date.



(How can it read word for word like a charter operator when the charter operator hasnt even posted?) I'm just a customer, and I've been out with Saltwater several charters. I saw several reels fail and I discussed it with the skipper. I got the facts before posting. I know 'a lot more than a charter customer would usually know' because I made an effort to find it out. Dont just make assumptions and stereotypes. But hey, just accuse people over the forums, thats good for your reputation too...



Craig never used saragosas, you need to get your facts straight. He was using spheros's. He was always using spheros's (which are cheaper than your 9000s). Its not his story that has changed, but your memory of it. They were used for 2 seasons, but after two, they had to have the gears replaced. The skipper wanted something tougher not weaker.



I am not 'the competition'. I dont sell reels, I am not affiliated with any reel companies in any way. I have absolutely no interest in 'slagging' off a reel. I have an interest in reporting the truth despite distorted and untrue counter claims. If there was nothing wrong with the reels, I would have nothing bad to say. If they'd failed due to misuse, I wouldnt be posting here. If they were misused and failed, ok, fair enough. If they were used properly and failed and the manufacturer claimed it as misuse when it wasnt, then I feel people have a right to know the actual facts. If one or two things failed due to it being a new design, but the manufacturer was keen to address these things and accept in a new design for a new company, there may be a few things that need improvement and work on them, I think that would be a respectable position. Claim they are completely flawless when they arent, and stubbornly stick to the mantra "i'm perfect, i'm perfect" and you arent in the same position. If I saw no reels fail, I'd probably recommend them as a cheaper option. The only 'competitor' I see slagging off other companies reels is yourself mate.







I dont have any vendetta against anyone. I have no interest in making up claims (there is simply no reason too). I just want to report the truth and dispell a few misconceptions.

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I recentley purchased two

Mon, 2010-01-11 12:23

I recentley purchased two Banax reels 750 and 850 I think they're up at my caravan and can't exactly rember the numbers,anyway they were recommended by the fella at cambells as a good 4kg outfit with a 10' sniderglass. I have now tried out both reels and am less than impressed with the performance. They seem to slow down at times and a little hard to reel when reeling in I think maybe a bearing issue,not sure. I know you get what you pay for but they weren't exactly cheap. I 'd probably get laughed at if I tried to take them back since they've both been used, I guess It's buyer beware.......

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tough one

Mon, 2010-01-11 13:01

Bit of a tough one, can say it about any reel really.  I've had a few shimano's and penn's let go early in their life as well that needed to go back. 

It all comes down to what your fishing for and how they are treated.  Why don't you take them back to where you bought them and say what you just did, if you don't ask you don't get??  Anything I've been unhappy with goes straight back and I'll find out what the issue is, be it my fault or theirs...

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Thank's Adam will give it a

Mon, 2010-01-11 13:40

Thank's Adam will give it a go.

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*cough cough*

Sat, 2010-01-16 18:41

Its the thread that just keeps going.

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now that's interesting

Sat, 2010-01-16 20:11

I'm not a tackle junkie or a big jigger so Im not all that bothered by this thread, but that link you posted certainly makes for interesting reading.

I think I'll stay out of this stouche other than to say fatigue is usuallly the cause of most reel breakages from my experience.

Lets hope the feedback is taken onboard and designs are improved by any manufacturer that has their gear used by forum participants, because the bottom line is that forums are simply vehicles for feedback, both positive and negative, as people simply wish to share experiences usually without any malice.

We have had the CEO of Penn on here in the past as well as Steve from Banax and now Simon. The feedback that we all provide on a daily basis is invaluable for those guys so don't let it stop. Just make sure we play the product not the man as I am sure Simon will take all this on board and uses the info to improve his product which will in turn benefit joe public..

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yep

Sat, 2010-01-16 19:00

I've just got myself a kingpin 5000, so will be giving it some serious stick in the coming months to see what the story is.  Will be posting photos soon!

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Whiff

Sat, 2010-01-16 20:35

Lol, is that the whiff of 'product placement' I smell?

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Yep

Sat, 2010-01-16 20:39

It is, I'm going to see what the deal is.  Looks good out of the box, will get some line on it during the week and give it a crack on some trevs next weekend.  I'm not one to be bought and will give an honest opinion, good thing about video cameras, the proof is in the pudding. :)

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Packaging

Sat, 2010-01-16 20:41

What line class is recommended on the packaging Adam?

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depends

Sat, 2010-01-16 20:47

pe 6 = 340

pe 8 = 270

pe 10 - 200

I'll prob look to some pe8.  Anyone got any good online stores for braid?  I'm a bit over the local Exxy prices...

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ill give you a ring tomorrow

Sat, 2010-01-16 20:58

ill give you a ring tomorrow if you likeWink

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Go the 8

Sat, 2010-01-16 20:53

Crank that drag and go and hook a few big coddly things that live around the drop offs over there. Repeat that on several trips and that should provide a fair test.

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i've always hated banaxs

Sat, 2010-01-16 21:42

i hate banaxs, cheap crap, much prefer a old ss spinfisher, and a $300 reel is not cheap, for $300 a bloody reel shouldnt break on a first trip, too much pressure, i doubt it, doubt he woulndt be able to hold it if it was too much, this is what i think

nowadays it all about being light, reel just looks too light and thin for application

youll notice ss spinifisher are heavy, no plastic found on them

my best gues for these reels were a casting fault, a bad batch

hlokk what the hell are blabbing on about?, you said they ignored your first post

most of us here arent giant brains so just keep it simple

 

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Basically Simon was ignoring

Sat, 2010-01-16 23:19

Basically Simon was ignoring any post that wasnt saying his reels were great.  So he listened to what he wanted to hear, and not what he didnt (that some of his reels failed in normal use on sambos which is what I said).

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Banax Reels!

Sat, 2010-01-16 22:00

I've used the Banax reels whilst filming FWA and have been selling them for a long time now (since 1995). I rate them highly and product versus price they're VERY hard to beat!

As for shop returns, I hate getting gear back ie warranty claims and the Banax is a big seller in my shop yet they have the least returns. That has alot to do with the quality gears and still made in Korea!

One of my shop reel servicer/repairer (one of the best in the industry) rates them and has many himself. I hear many positive things said about Banax from customers and will always stock them & recommend for that reason!

Like any new reel released, there can be issue's and the new Penn Spinfishers had there problems when first released and they had to get that fixed so no brands are exempt of issue's!

Adam, I can organise some free braid for your Banax Kingpin, PM me for more info if ya want!

 

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i dont know why people have

Sat, 2010-01-16 22:12

i dont know why people have to put such loooooooooooooooooong comments up about something that someone has metioned and then it goes back and forth. swhats done is done . i personally dont read all these long posts as it generally bores me. if some have had good reports on the reels mentioned then good on them and if bad so be it. others have got these reels and let them find out for themself what they are like.

Adam , go give the reel a great workout and let us all know how it went. it will be interesting

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I'm only posted long

Sat, 2010-01-16 23:17

I'm only posted long comments because Simon is posting things that arent true and are contradictions to other things he says. Its not fair for a manufacturer to come on here and post incorrect things if other people are perhaps thinking of buying one of the reels.

If you dont want to read the comments, then dont, thats fine. If mine are too long then you probably arent reading Simons either, so it doesnt really matter. However, I dont think its fair to consumers not to have the full story. I dont think people should get just the skewed and incorrect information from the vendor, so thats why I've put time and effort in to rebut the untrue and dubious comments. 

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well said ff...

Sat, 2010-01-16 22:29

well said ff...

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mate....if you dont want to

Sat, 2010-01-16 22:45

mate....if you dont want to read Hllok's major posts...then DONT. You shouldnt also tar every Banax as cheap crap. Sometimes the CHEAP CRAP will outfish the more expensive equivalent. Probably not in this case....

Ive had Saltigas with issues and also broken them on 10kg GT's!! Do I say they are crap because the $1000 reel just broke on a "small" fish??

In all fairness, the KingPin is identical reel to the GT 5000W which has been out for over 2 years. I havent seen or heard any of them break like this or any other major issues at all.

Ironically the Old Spinfishers are not whole lot better. They run brass gears and pinions, same as the OLD Banax SX. Skirted and lipped spools with cast handles. No different to the Banax SX.

I understand $300 is not cheap but you cant just jump into conclusion that all Banax are cheap crap!! Infact Ive got a Banax SX 5000 and its nearly 15 years old. I run 10kg mono on it for snapper fishing off the rocks. Only thing Ive replaced on it is the drag washers. Upgraded to the HT100. My two 8500ss have gone through numerous AR dog gear and pawl due to "fatigue". Ive also replace one of the reels drag knob 3 times coz it keeps on cracking.

So IMO the Banax is just as good as the Penns if not better.

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Honsu, i never said the

Sat, 2010-01-16 22:53

Honsu, i never said the banax were crap. the one bloke had probs with his two then all of a sudden there were a few long winded comments about whats good and whats no who realy cares. i have some reels that some would say are cheap crap but i have had no probs with them.

reels are reels, you get good ones but you can get duds in amongst the good ones

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i think!

Sat, 2010-01-16 22:56

I think you'll find Russ, Honsu is responding to Wide Open?

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no probs Ryan. i probably

Sat, 2010-01-16 23:01

no probs Ryan. i probably just jumped the gun. dumb ass meTongue out

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Sorry Russ...my typing was

Sat, 2010-01-16 23:16

Sorry Russ...my typing was bit slow.
Was meant for Wide Open

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yep!

Sat, 2010-01-16 22:52

Well said Chinny Wink

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Independant Tackle Tester required;

Sat, 2010-01-16 23:17

OK, Oceanside Tackle and Marine will lend (bomerang) a brand new Banax Kingpin 5000 reel with it being fully spooled with 80LB Bonzai Chameleon Supersoft XT colour coded braid to a regular FW member.

Now that members needs to be a "regular" and one that "wants to test it out" yes punish it over the next 4 weeks.

A free product will be supplied as a token of good will on return, PM us and we'll contact that right person for an independent review.

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I'd love to do that, but I

Sat, 2010-01-16 23:21

I'd love to do that, but I dont think i'd be able to give it the full workout it deserves (damn you dissipating sambo schools)

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i would love to do that for

Sat, 2010-01-16 23:21

i would love to do that for you Ryan but i think i would have to get my boat in the water to test a reel for youLaughing

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yep sorry everyone

Sat, 2010-01-16 23:43

yeap sorry everyone just thought why  has this reel broken if its $300 and then heard from you honsu that you havent heard of this before, its easy to jump to conclusions.

its just that on recent trip to the plantation in carnarvon found a 850SS in the shed which was about 20 years old and was not well maintained, took to quobba hooked a HUGE cod and the reel and it fought like new but the cod was unstobbable and the reel done fine the whole trip

i've now got 650ss and love

but the cheap stuff is often very good as i had some cheapies for $30 and and had silky smooth drag and caught marvellous fish

guess i'll be eating my words when somthing eventually goes wrong and i be taking it to you guys lol

 

and about the cheap stuff outfishing the pricey stuff i sure understand that, and evryone i know in carnarvon use 50lb-150lb handlines and they have caught 21 kilo GT's off the beach, and in quobba the cheap handline shines being able to heave fish up with getting busted off and without a gaff

 

its just when you have luck with a certain reel you love them

anyway better not argue with the experts 

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oceanside tackle

Sat, 2010-01-16 23:38

it would be great if you could put a post on that banax kingpin and short report on how it goes performs as these banax reels sound pretty good after what honsu has said

 

and sorry hlokk as i shouldnt said it that rude what i should have said was i just found it a bit hard keep up.

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honsu what is this sx 5000

Sat, 2010-01-16 23:46

honsu whats this sx 5000 you speak of that lasted 15 years, do you think theyll be a better choice instead of my next spinfisher

do you stock them?

how much?

they look exactly like the old spinfishers

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This is the current Banax SX

Sun, 2010-01-17 00:06

No worries Wideopen. Just trying to keep everyone on the straight and keep all opinions open.

 

This is the current Banax SX 5000 with a couple of better bits than my oldie....

 

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