Daiwa Saltist 50 & 50H (H=high speed) would do the job, light weight and tuff IMO under $300 in a most shops

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Also consider the Shimano Torium for around that price, similar to the Saltist and has a similar gear ratio to the high speed model. A fraction lighter I beleive coming in at around 660 grams for the TOR30.
Much the same though and I guess it comes down to personal preference.

Those Daiwa's look good. This is what I told him.
OKUMA TITUS GOLD TG 10 HIGH SPEED GAME REEL HPB. High speed 6.2:1
T6-6061 bar stock aluminium precision cut frame and spool. 4 sealed stainless steel HPBs. Ultra smooth heat resistant carbonite drag washers. All this for under $250 delivered

http://cgi.ebay.com/Okuma-Titus-Gold-TG-10-HIGH-SPEED-Game-Reel_W0QQitemZ140011813204QQihZ004QQcategoryZ36162QQcmdZViewItem

Coral sea carnage

Always liked the look of the titus gold, but never heard about it's performance. Who really needs a lever drag in a bottom fishing reel though?

Personally I'd stick with shimano or daiwa.

I would recommend the saltist.

An okuma? ...... if it doesnt die, might means hes not fishin hard enough.. ';)

look all jokes aside the okuma titus gold are awesum . we took 1 up to steep gave it an absolute hammering on the local macks , tuna and sharks and we all know how big the bightys are up there!!! and to my surprise it came back still runing like new , so if you ask me there alright ang great value for money.
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Kasey do Daiwa offer any jigging rods similar in price to the T Curve jigging rods?

I believe the Catalinas are priced similarly.....around the mid 200s.....but that was a while ago and have been out of production recently.

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Shimano Torium 30 or Saltist 50. Both are about 299 and both can handle 50lb braid easily. I like the torium personally tho. Dont like the saltists handle.

What about a tynos 30...

RE the okumas....There a video somewhere on this site showing my titus TG 15 getting smoked literally by a 25kg sambo.... But warranty did repair the drag system and the reel which has since been placed in semi retirement has not missed a beat since. I place more fait in my avet sx 5.1 with 14lb on it IMO
What about a tynos 30...

Mate, i have and use one of these as a combo for jigging and bottom bouncing. I have 300mtrs of 50 pound braid plus about 200mtrs 15kg mono backing. Have landed everything from 40kg sambos from 100mtrs of water to big macks trolling. At about $330 for the pair its a good combo for the price and light enough for the work intended. I have okumo TG30 2 speeds and have not had a drama. With a 5 year warranty there a good thing. Shimano Torium a good thing also and also look at the Tekota 800. I have one on the boat for when i get lazy as it is level wind.
Good luck finding the right one.

Only problem with the Tyrnos funkybunch is that it is rather heavy at around 1.1kg compared with say the Torium, Saltist and TLD which all weigh around 600 - 700g....

Might not be so easy on the arms when used for bottom bouncing all day?

The tyrnos is terible due to its weight, large spool (means you will have to pay alot of attention line laying) and cranking power (it is a high speed reel).

Honestly, in my opinion,
Saltist, matched with a Jigwrex rod when it comes out. If its not much pricier than the T-curve here in australia. No regrets there.

Depends how highly you value my opnion, but I have had experience with nearly all the gear above, except the okuma.

And if you must know, the reason why I would reach for the okuma last on board, is because I know with every chance I fish, I might get THE one, and I wouldn't want it to get away. Sure it might be fine, but I am not confident in their products, but that is just my point of view, as compared to the reels by Shimano and Daiwa (sometimes even Penn) which I have used over the years with great pleasure.

And to be honest... jigging Dogtooth Tuna and amberjacks.. I have been led on to know... is NOT the same. Its a step up the ladder.

And to fish the coral sea... from the pictures and stories that have been related to me, you do not want to show it any disrespect. I would arm myself with at least 2-3 Stellas, at least one MAJOR 100lb GT rod, 2-3 jigging rods, 1-2 trolling combos, and maybe 1-2 light spin combos before I would feel 'adequate' to tackle what I dream of doing there.

Someday, that might come true.

Great feedback, I must be getting ng old...I remember as a young teenager in the mid eighties a couple of fledgling companies who were trying to break into the mainstream quality fishing tackle industry which at that time was dominated by brands like Penn, ABU, Mitchell, ect...(some of which were backed up with 5 year warranties...amazing, I've still got and use my 22 year old ABU 6500C). Some of their products were good, some were great, some pretty wierd...but a great deal of fishos at the time would not have used one if you paid them too...not reliable, too cheap...musn't be any good....I think it was 1984 when one of these companies launched a new reel that changed eveything. I bought mine in 1987(Cost me $280 which was a lot of cash back then...petrol was 60c a lt). That reel has been absoloutely thrashed over the last 19 years...fishing a heavier class of line than it was intended for in places like GBR, Weipa, NZ and the coral sea...it's still going strong.
Those couple of companies were Shimano and Daiwa...The reel is a Shimano TLD 25 and you can buy a new one now for $250 or less. The fishing tackle indusry is a huge business, driven by trends and huge marketing budgets. Quality is not always determined by the price you pay, or the brand, but more the test of time....food for thought. Anyone want to buy a slightly used secondhand TLD 25? Should be good for another 19yrs. ;-)

Seeing I don't sell reels, (& therefore have a vested interest) - and since I am not sponsored to only say 'good things' about certain products - I'll kick the can and see what happens when we open this can o worms up for a proper look!

In case you think it's only OKUMA with problems!

Three months ago I upgraded my fleet of TLD25s to the new Shimano 2 speed Tyrnos 20 IIs (QTY 5).
Three weeks ago 1 reel's anti reverse failed. Last week all 4 of the remaining reels failed with the SAME PROBLEM.
Given the 100% failure rate, this is either a 1( Design problem 2) Manufacturing defect like poor material or 3) Quality control problem.

Melton has agreed to replace them all and only charge me shipping, which I think is fair. NOTE: At the time I bought these (FEB 06) they were the only dealer I could find with enough qty. to supply me....otherwise I would have supported a local dealer with the purchase. (I beleive in supporting local tackle shops who give back to the commuity whenever possible, even if I have to pay a premium.)

These units were fished a total of 32 days since 2/3/06 and caught 102 fish. (Here in Costa Rica in a good week we put a typical (Florida) year's worth of wear on gear).

I have asked Melton to put me in touch with the product manager for these reels so I can give feedback. No name provied yet...still waiting.

Also, Shimano has redesigned the clicker button, making it wider and flatter. IT IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO DEPRESS than the TLD style, which is shaped like a chocolate chip. The TYRNOS clicker is shaped like a shirt button, and is very hard to click off during a strike, especially with wet hands.
That's the report from the field in Los Suenos, Costa Rica.
Kent Malinowski
Enjoying & Sharing the Los Suenos Costa Rica Sportfishing Experience
561-427-7529 (rings in Costa Rica Condo)
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All the 290 other problem reels have apparently been recalled; and my new reels are on the way.

BTW: Shimano execs. routinely read this forum for product feedback!
Kent Malinowski
Enjoying & Sharing the Los Suenos Costa Rica Sportfishing Experience
561-427-7529 (rings in Costa Rica Condo)
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I have a torium 30 that I used on the smaller grade tuna on that same trip. I bought it before I knew about avets. While I like a lot of things about that reel, it isn't even in the same zipcode as avets, accurates, or penns.

I have fished with older penns and they are solid, but they sound like a coffee grinder after some time. While they can get the job done they are bigger, heavier, and no where near as smooth as avets or accurate reels.

If the shimano guys are reading this, I have been having nothing but problems with all of your reels in the last few years (mind you I have bought dozens of shimano reels in the past.) I'll not list them on here, but for two to four weeks use a year I should not be having the issues that I am.

Metal framed reels look like they are going to bend when you tie into those bad boys.

This 50w avet looked like it was going to get ripped off the reel seat a few times when the big fish bore down. The amount of strain large fish put on a reel is mind blowing. Plastic reels have no place in this type of fishing.

I can dig up several other pictures on Bloodydecks of TLDs failing with the exact same pattern of failure on big fish. This is due to strain from use, not from trauma or accident. The reel just sheers off.

Scrubs

Hope Shimano gets the situation squared away with the Tyrnos!

That only took a few minutes search thru just two threads stateside!
Sometimes a little more research is warranted IMHO!

Of course - She Man Ohh don't even return my emails - is it any wonder! ;o)

Cheers!

Piscator, non solum piscator" - "A fisherman, not just a catcher of fish"

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Thanks for the information flywest. Very imformative.

I noticed it was mentioned the anti reverse on a torium shit itself on the first outing. Would be interested to see if the Saltist is better... only problem with a new reel on the market... not a great deal of feedback available.

That is why - when your looking for feedback - on new products IMHO you need to go to a big marketplace where the reels or rod sor OB's etc get a LOT of hours use in short periods of time by LOT's of anglers / boaters!

Often times downunder we have FEW people who do put the hours on these goods and a LOT who so do, are "sponsored" or have "agencies" for such products, so won't say anything negative privately or publicly about them, thru vested self interest!

I can't see that helps the average guy in the street spend his hard earned wisely frankly!

Thats just my opinion tho!

Cheers!

"Piscator, non solum piscator" - "A fisherman, not just a catcher of fish"

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I can only speak for my little Saltist 40 , I have put around 50 Sambo's jigging , and numerous bottom bouncing trips with it and apart from a few scratches it's fine , no complaints , when the drag goes I will replace it with Carbontec drag washers but the drag is still holding at 11 kilo's so it will get another season of Sambo's thru it , and this season will see me out nearly every week.

It would fit the bill perfectly , $300 , fish hard ( 11 kilo's drag) 50 lb braid ( mine does it easy) light enough to fish all day ( I do it regularly)

CHEERS , MAV.

Anyone that has seen me fish will tell you I give no mercy when hooked up , full lock drag and pump,pump,pump.

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I have the standard model Saltist 40, was offered one of the first Hi-speeds imported into the state but went the 4.9 and happy that I did , you still wind in fairly quickly but have good stump pulling power when you need it , if you work a jig "PROPERLY" you don't need to wind it in like mad , get the lure working down deep and you will get more fish !!!! ( thats why I like Sea Rocks , you can get them kicking around down deep with just the rod action)

If you need more line on a reel go the 50 for an extra $10 , I have 300 odd m on my 40 and fish 210 m of water regularly and pull big fish from down there , 11 kilo's of drag puts a lot of hurt on the fish , match the reel to the right rod is the big question , if you can't wait go a Tcurve deep jig , if you can wait look at the Blue rose, jig wrex , or similar rod if doing vertical jigging .

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where did all this cods wallop come from about my mate shimano tyrnos apart from it being one of the best reels i have ever fished and picked up i find this comment very hard to beleive. who is this guy and what does he do to his fishing gear ??? my tyrnos has caught mor fish than days in existence an still runs like the day i brought it . all the same can i make it clear that i am not takeing a shot in any way shape or form at this bloke as all manufactures do make mistakes!
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He sure does seem to have a problem with them, I make it 8 destroyed by my count? (5 then 3?)..or was it 5 then 2? for a total 7!

Something like that!

The interesting bit is the gears comparison - that does tell a story!

Pretty hard to argue with, IMHO - Guy has the results and the photo's to show why?

I mean TLD's with the reel foot ripped clean off - 7 or 8 new thoriums in a row, trashed!

Maybe this jigging capers not as "he man" as it's made out to be, Afterall - if a Sambo can be landed on a lil ol trout fly rod - they an't be as big n mean as you guys are building them up to be! I seem to recall Bushy knocking one ovber at th Abrolhos on Starlo's Hooked on adventure series on one of starlo's shimano bream sticks! And then the skipper knocked one over on a lil trout fly rod he bought in Manjimup years ago for 40 bucks - made in china! :Rollseyes:

Lets get real - this jiggin capers being talked way up beyond what real hurt those lil tackers sambo's, put on a tackle system! I think I've caught enough big sambo's on enough different conventional and fly tackle to say they are definitely a worthwhile adversary, but they aint the biggest stump pullers in the ocean bye a long shot!

Maybe this Jiggins just getting ahead of itself a little is all! ;o)
Maybe objectivity is being lost in all the hype!

Cheers!
"Piscator, non solum piscator" - "A fisherman, not just a catcher of fish"

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Hi Flywest.
Firstly, I think you should let all anglers know that Charkbait, the site that carries all that information, is STRONGLY anti-Shimano. That has nothing to do with the quality of their gear, but a more business and political issue (about product pricing, but its got nothing to do with this here). So, I would take anything they write about Shimano with a ig pinch of salt.

Of course, the most obvious evidence of this is the COMPLETE lack of shimano products. Oh, what, Daiwa is fine? This occured a while ago, and "That only took a few minutes search !" should give you that information.

Secondly, Charkbait is ALSO known as a strong yankee non-jigging site. They've got River 2 Sea Knife Jigs (whens the last time you saw someone use that) as one of their few (if only one) jigging lures. And of course, they've given their opinion as well, and generally implying to be it a 'fad' that will pass and 'not really that effective'. Typical uninformed ignorance.

THIRDLY, yes, mosgt sambos are real easy to land, especially in deep water with little structure at the bottom. hey, 5kg line for a 30kg sambo should be no worries, itll just take you aaaaaaaaaaaaages. I've seen ABSOLUTE MUPPETS want their 'claim to fame' and do that, while the rest of us wait aaages for the fool to land the poor fish.
The point is though, similar to gamefishing, hey, you have 1000000 kms of line, go real light, and sure you will be able to land it. But thats not the point of jigging up sambos. The second you hook up, you fight aggressively, and aim to bring them in in under 2-3 minutes, where they DO fight and DO test your gear under high pressure settings. I have personally or otherwise seen broken Saltiga/Stella/Penn/ etc reel stems, handles, bail arms, seized spools, etc, and all sorts of rod explosions. the good thing about jigging a sambo is, even a 6 year old child could land a big one with a bit of help, but if you decide to reall give it stick, it'll oblige and return the favour.

Lastly, yes, fair enough, some people are talking about jigging sambos as the 'hardcore' angling method. I'll relate to you what someone I would consider a 'teacher' told me: sambos are like the kindergarden, then you graduate onto other fish. so yes, they aint the biggest stump pullers, or the hardest to hook up with when in season, but they ARE here in season in RIDICLOUS numbers, enough can be caught in a single day than in a whole month off season.

Lastly, yes, there is a lot of hype, but, have you conclusively jigged enough or understood the system to presume that it is more a 'fad' or 'hype' than a extremely fun and effective way to target certain fish?

Theres always two sides to the story.. thanks kasey.

I think I'd prefer to learn the hard way than go by other people's oppinions.

quote "Sadly these days it seems we just listen to those who sell the reels and thus have a vested interest in what they recommend / sell!"
Fair enough. I have seen enough adverts boasting about gladiator reels and banax tackle to make me laugh.

And about the "elite" travelling the world.. I have actually spoken to a few of these. Alot of these people work hard, save lots, just to travel to exotic places (perth included, for sambos), just to go fishin. Otherwise, they conduct product tests that are needed to ensure the product cuts it.

About the argument between the website and the retailer, hey, business is business, and I don't have any business in their business. But you would expect someone as big as them to handle it professionally, instead of slagging products off. I wouldn't be surprised if oh, its only Shimano that wants to regulate a MINIMUM price. I dont know about this, as I haven't really focused on my marketing degree yet, but 1 way to attract customers, which is frequently used by kmart and stuff liek that, is to offer ridiculously low prices for 1 item, say line, but have higher prices for other items, say reels or whatever, and then the customer is drawn by the price of 1 item, and is influenced to buy the other under the presumption that 'hey this is cheap, that must be worht it too!' or just by the fact that the customer visits is worth it in free advertising.

ANYWAY, i won't go on. This has moved from experience and opinion to mere speculation for me, so yup, back to topic, Saltist and Jigwrex =)

I got my Saltist early in their life and was a little worried about quality , longevity etc , new product and all, even researching the reel back then was just the advertising hype , so I bit the bullet and bought it on Daiwa's brand name and previous quality.

Glad I bought it too, I have several overhead reels and this is my favorite reel now , unless I want to put a LOT of hurt on a fish then the Penn 6/0 comes out with 120lb Braid on it , that reel can do over 25 kilo drag no worries , just crap anti reverse etc , but winds in the big ones .

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