Best Overhead Bottom Basher Reel
Righto, been done to death but I will revive it as I am heading up to Exxy in April and need a strong overhead for bottom bashing to drag the reds past the sharks.....
A few things to note:
- I want overhead, I have plenty of both spin and overheads so know the pros/cons. Overheads have much more cranking power and easier to feed line back on the drift.
- I don't want too slow or too fast a retrieve. Something slow like a TLD are obviously hopeless, but I have great little Trinidad that has 6.1:1 ratio and over 110 cm retrieve per crank and it is too fast for heavy lead. Around 85-90 cm per crank or around 5:1 ratio. Similar to a jig reel.
- Need 15 plug kg drag as I want to run PE5/6 braid.
A single speed Talica 12 would be perfect.....BUT.....I have used one and they are a tad too fast at 104 cm per crank and just dont have the crank power I want. The two speeds are no good, low peed is useless. Shame, these are a great reel otherwise.
I looked at a Tyrnos 16, but at +800 grams, too heavy.
The difference the right crank speed makes to a reel is the difference between the go to reel and one that sits against the wall for the next 3 years with the rest of my flawed purchases.
Cheers
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D_d_001
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talicas are the bomb !
just get a talica 12 and don't fill the spool.
;)
do you need 600m PE5?
JohnF
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Half filled Talica 12 is
Half filled Talica 12 is certainly an option.
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Hutch
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Might be a stupid question
Might be a stupid question but wouldn't the cranking power still be the same if the spool is half full? I know less line will be retrieved per crank but the gear ratio stays the same
D_d_001
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Hey Hutch, if there is less
Hey Hutch, if there is less line being retrieved....for instance if you have a spool that is not as full then you will have more cranking power.
bit like when you spool is nearly empty will be the point where your reel will have the most drag due to the less leverage of the point were the line is coming off the spool.
or (same principal) to put it another way even though the gears on your car gearbox wont change if you put smaller tyres on ....your car will have more torque and of course vice versa bigger tyres = less torque.
hope hat makes sense.
Hutch
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Ah yep should've understood
Ah yep should've understood that before
Cheers for clearing it up
Scotte
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Nor sure on all the specs
Not sure on all the specs but the torsa is great!
ranmar850
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Tyrnos 16 too heavy?
Gee, you must need your reels REALLY light. I think you are really asking a lot to have something which will take a load of 60-80lb line AND be light. Bottom bashing like that is a pretty crude affair, really, particularly if you are dragging heavy lead. You want fast retrieve, but not TOO fast? 15kg plus drag? A Tyrnos 16 is probably what you want, I use a Tyrnos 12 for bottom bashing , floating bait drifting and trolling, it's a good all rounder, although the bottom bashing part of it is the least use it gets. I use 50lb basic FINS braid, holds over 300m, took a fair size black marlin last year 100kg plus, and it held up. How about the old TLD 20? Cheap as, quite rugged, good retrieve rate.
As for getting reds past the sharks, good luck with that--the fastest reel in the world won't beat a determined Exmouth shark.
big john
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Haha
We'll let John work out the last of your comment for himself ranmar. :)
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timmy k (not verified)
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tallica 12 i reckon
but if you're gonna be fussy i'm not too sure, i used to bottom bash with a tyrnos 30 for ages until i got my tallica 12 and that is bloody heavy! a mate has the tyrnos 16 and i like it. i'd fish with 1
Dale
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I've just bought a brand new still in the box TLD30 2 speed from my brother in law for $180.00, I'll be happy with that no matter what happens.
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fishfish
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OJ !!
Simple Ocea Jigger 4000P !!!!
Alan James
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Penn Torque 30LD2
Meets some, perhaps not all of your requirements.
Gearing 5.5 / 2.75:1
16kg drag
Weight 607g
Retrieve per crank 965mm H, 483mm L
OS
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I can vouch also for the
I can vouch also for the Penn Torque.
I've got a 25LD2, plenty of cranking power even in high speed and plenty of drag. Made in USA you can't go wrong.
mullows
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Fin Nor Marquesa. Love mine,
Fin Nor Marquesa. Love mine, had it now for many years.
Cheers
Mullows
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dano83
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Yep great reels I've had
Yep great reels I've had mine for a few years never let me down
Rig
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+2 marquesa
the narrow spool wins, I think they are a bit more prone to water ingress but easy to replace a bearing yourself when required
Rate the talicas as I have an 8 and the draq is sweet but much the larger models are too wide in comparison to say a MA20
Boydy
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I run a Saltiga-Z30 for
I run a Saltiga-Z30 for bottom bashing.
Love it, 5.4 - 1 ratio about 92cm/rev, weighs in at 445 grams. I'm currently running Tasline all white SAS PE4 marketed as 50lb but tested at 72lb breaking strain 300m plus some backing on it. Drag is rated at 10kg though, so a bit under done on what your chasing. But they are a top little reel. The Z40 may be worth a look.
Willlo
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+1 for the z 30 and z 40
+1 for the z 30 and z 40 saltigas .i have been using both for 10 yrs or so . Use the z 40 with a octo jig and the z 30 for bottom bouncing. Plenty of grunt.
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Shark1
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Daiwa Saltist 40dont go
Daiwa Saltist 40 theres one with a wider spool than normal cant remeber the letters
dont go bigger as they start rocking (torqueing left to rigt as u wind)
will take 300m plus of 80lb daiwa boat braid
lighter than talica-i got talica the saltist goes out every trip its on pe 6-8 and will pump up big sharks
after 5 years nd load of abuse its going for its 2nd service
ricey
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Talica all the way
And I then retrofitted a Torsa handle to it, they are longer and fit well.
inhave the talica 8 and 12, and cannot believe how great they are.
i loved using torsas before that and they pull hard, but heavy.
talicas strong but light, huge line capacity for the size.
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scano
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Hey Boydy
I myself have a saltiga z30. Awesome little reel but their only downside would be the drag capacity! Seems to be a bit light on drag at the best of times.
i wouldn't recommend getting Daiwa to service it either. Sent mine away for a general annual service, first time using it after the service was completed and mid way through battling a rat sambo the handle starts turning backwards and it's making a grinding noise in the gears! I sent it back to Daiwa asking them to have another look at it, that was 5 weeks ago now and after numerous phone calls, it is still a week or so before anyone even takes a look at it! Not impressed I can tell you!
Boydy
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Not good to hear Scano, had
Not good to hear Scano, had mine serviced by Complete's in Nedlands just before Christmas and happy with it. For what I do with it the drag has been good. Only thing I've done to it was add a JM T - bar, plenty of cranking on it now and nice in the hand.
dkonig82
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Had the exact same issue
Had the exact same issue with a Daiwa serviced by Daiwa Aus also mate. Sent them an LD35 to service before a trip - first fish of the trip, drag totally disappears. Was my only heavy jigging reel for a week long dogtooth trip. If I hadn't been able to borrow one, would have been trip over as far as heavy jigging was concerned. Sent them many emails afterwards trying to get them to fix it, coudln't even get a reply. First and last daiwa overhead reel I have / will own.
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wagyl
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Fin Nor Marquesa
I have 3 in different sizes, oldest is about 5years old, they are pretty much bullet proof and easy to service yourself
dodgy
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Electric. Even if its in 70m
Electric. Even if its in 70m its just too hard to get past the sharks so much of the time there.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
ChrisG
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Mate don't get too technical
Mate don't get too technical for bottom bashing,
forget about retrieve speed for bottom bashing, You'll never out run a shark with a decent catch on the end of ya line anyway unless youre winding flat out on a 50 wide and you're a really strong dude....even then good luck at exxy when they move in.
just move spots to get away from sharks mate - trying to beat them with a fast wind don't think will work often (with a Mackie on surface yes but deep and under your boat no chance IMO)
bottom bashing and just drifting aimlessly will get you on the sharks for sure, trick is to find fish, short drifts, catch them and then move on to next spot.
reacon I've caught as much as most bottom bashing (excluding deep dropping for which I know burger-all about yet) off tantas side over the years and would spend my cash on a better sounder before better reel everyday.
If you can mark fish on a decent sounder, you could probably drop on them with a hand line and bugger off to next spot before sharks come along most of the time.
Unless cash no object or unless youre a gear-o-holic (which I have been at time) save you're coin; something like a OH Saltist or even my old TLD30ii catches all the bottom bashing species easily up there and are pretty cheap set ups and have enough drag to stop fish burying you in the reef which I've always found to be a bigger issue than sharks anyway).
Just my thoughts anyway mate....
Tim
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Torque 200
JohnF
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I have no intention of
I have no intention of outrunning the sharks, so maybe I gave the wrong impression.
I have over 20 fishing outfits, ranging from high end Stellas, Tiagras to low end stuff. A good outfit is not necessarily about cost, its all about balance.
Retrieve speed is the key to a balanced outfit, particularly for jigging but also bottom bashing, where a low speed (eg: TLD) drives you mad as you crank you arm like a 15 year old with the latest Playboy magazine, getting nowhere but a sore arm.....or a high speed ratio, where winding up 24 plus oz of lead from the depths becomes a chore and you need to pump and wind.
Hence the focus on retrieve ratio/speed. As was correctly said on here, retrieve speed is a combo of ratio and spool diameter, but I am not keen on spending $500 on a reel with a ratio a bit high only to run it half full to get an acceptable retrieve. I already have a reel like this, a Shimano Trinidad 16N, great reel, but I run it almost empty to get the 6.1:1 ratio back to something useable. I actually have just got a set of Ocea Jigger low ratio gears for it, it will now be a sweet reel.
Hence my question was all about getting a lightish bottom bash reel, with plenty of stopping power (15 kg drag), with a medium speed retrieve, for comfort and enjoyment, not to outrun sharks. If I was not technical, I would use one of my other 20 outfits......I am technical unfortunately, an expensive curse :)
A Talica 12, with a longer handle (Torsa 30 upgrade) and a 5:1 ratio would be perfect, but they are 5.7:1 which is the issue...
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NORUN NOFUN
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daiwa saltiga 15h, fits in
Daiwa saltiga 15h, fits in the hand really well, light as a feather, strong as an ox on pe3
Having the right reel is just the start to a balanced outfit.
Alan James
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Possible other options
Okuma Makeira MK8II (2 speed)
Weight 686g
Gearing 4.7, 2.1:1
Drag 15-16kg
Retrieve 851mm H, 381mm L
or
Maxel F30C
Weight 400g
Gearing 5.3:1
Drag 20kg
Retrieve 820mm
Wen
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Talica
hey johnf
i use a talica 8 for most of my metro bottom bashing (pe4) and a saltiga 15H for my demersal jigging...i think the talica 8 and 10s you can get a torsa arm for more leverage and will work well.. the talica yes has a fast crank but can subdue most things in the metro area..
i have a JM ocean devil with the talica 8..
catchalittle
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Yep I would go either a
Yep I would go either a Torsa 30 or 40 bullet proof reel love my torsa 40
Nathan
Shark1
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Johnsaltist 40 h halrf the
John
saltist 40 h halrf the weight of a talica - and yes after a whole days fishig 100g makesa difference
mine is on a monster mesh pe 6-8 with 50lb braid
its an unbelievable combo
i got stellas catalinas , saltigas
this is my go to everything combo
5m tigers in ningaloo to 100m pinkies in the metro
dkonig82
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JM another option John. PE5N?
JM another option John. PE5N? Could look at the Monster Game variant if you want something faster. Not cheap for a bottom basher though.
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Geoff.
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Bottom basher
i have abused a marquesa for years and for a cheap reel I am really surprised how good it is. I also have a torsa that is great but also rate the fin nor highly, especially given how inexpensive they are
crowie
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TLD50
I rekon a TLD 50 or a Tyrnos 50 are epic bottom bashing reels. Havnt had one perform like them yet. If its too heavy chuck it in the rod holder, or go to the gym.
Moist and Salty
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Torsa 20
I've got a Torsa 20 on a Venom PE 8-10 rod for winching fish in, the power and confidence it gives is unbelievable. It does have a bit more weight but you don't notice any weight when you're running 13-15kg of drag...
My Talica 8 gets a lot more use as the Torsa is overkill the vast majority of the time, even beyond the 100m line on Exy west side
Bodie
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come on John, fill us in on
come on John, fill us in on the verdict! :)
Griffo84
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Tyrnos 50 is great for Exy
Tyrnos 50 is great for Exy fishing. Has great retrieval rate and a strong drag. Still can't beat the sharks though no matter how fast you reel them in. Especially a big red!!. Yes they are a little bulky but I don't find it too heavy. Get a set of dumbells and work those biceps! ;-)
Do the right thing and there will be fish tomorrow.
resurgence
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Weight difference?
According to Shimano specs the difference in weight between a Tyrnos 16 and Talica 12 is 164 grams, are you really going to notice that?
Cruise Control
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Up north I use a Talica 12 on
Up north I use a Talica 12 on a Venom PE8 -10, spooled with 65lb braid with one of those extended jigging handles you get off EBay.
Fish anything from 30m to 300m and will crank up 24 ounces of lead faster than a TLD 50. Has never failed to stop anything that I have chosen to stay hooked up to. It's my go to outfit.