Bitter sweet trip to yanchep
Hi guys, went down to club cap on Saturday for a fish. Got there around 4 , decent seabreeze and swell was easy easy to deal with.
Lets start with the positive stuff. Guy 40m up the beach caught about 6 nice tailor all on bait, I managed one myself and my very first on a richter plug, was very happy with that. Now comes the bad part. There was another guy fishing next to the man who caught the tailor, he was there with his wife and kid. Anyway I see him hooked on and after a decent fight his partner manages to "net the fish", that's right netting a fish on the beach.
I found that bit quite funny actually as there was a good chance that it could have snapped his line as she wasn't doing a very good job. Walked over to have a look at what it was and was shocked to see it was a big snapper and unfortunately his knife was already in its head and all the damage had been done.
Didn't want to say anything to him since he already had killed it and im just a young bloke and he probably would tell me to piss off anyway, that really spoilt my trip to see someone killing a fish during a period when its supposed to be protected.
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scottnofish
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not many beach fishos probally
even know about the demersal ban, its surprising how many people i talk to have never heard of it
tombstone
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mate, you probably did the
mate, you probably did the right thing not saying anything to him if you were by yourself. If it was me it would have been a different story, being 6'5" and 130kgs not a lot stops me from telling people they are doing the wrong thing (politely). A lot of fishwreckers would never have been lucky enough to catch a keeper from the shore without the ban let alone during the ban, so this guy should count himself lucky that he got one, kept it and didn't have his number plate given to the authorities. I bet he would have loved the fine, and would think twice next time he went fishing. Education is the key thing here, ignorance is no excuse.
to fish or not to fish...as if there was an option.
beau
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You'd be surprised how many
You'd be surprised how many boaties don't know about the ban either. ..
dumper
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Yup, that as well as release
Yup, that as well as release weights. I've been out of hillaries four times since the ban has come in yet haven't seen 1 fisheries officer. Yet every second boat u see has the rocket launchers full of big rods running fifty pound braid and big dhuie bombs. You can't tell me they're going for a feed of herring or whiting. What's the point having a ban if nobody is enforcing it
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King George
I'm sure they're only targeting King George mate. :)
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Rob H
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While this guy has obviously
While this guy has obviously broken the law, lets be clear on one thing-the ban really is a crock of shit, other than stopping you catching fish for 2 months it does not do anything for the breeding cycle of the demersal fish.
even worse than the Marine Parks issue where there was no scientific evidence, here the science clearly showed that a closure in oct, nov, dec to "help protect spawning fish" was of no use.
No i dont fish during this period.
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Seaquest
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The ban is about reducing the
The ban is about reducing the total catch, it has nothing to do with spawning times. They couldn't go any lower with bag limits so they have had to stop people fishing for a period of time.
I believe the pros have had reductions as well as to the number of days they can fish which also reduces the total catch.
Rob H
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incorrect-the ban was mooted
incorrect-the ban was mooted specifically to protect the demersal fish during spawning.
The scientists identified december Jan Feb as the time to have it.
However the Gov knew that everyone would be up in arms having a ban during the holidays and moved it to Oct instead keeping the greenies happy.
I have no problem with the way commercial wetliners are managed.
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Seaquest
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Demersal fish spawn at all
Demersal fish spawn at all different times of the year not just Jan-Feb. I have caught dhuies that where spawning in June. I was told from a fisheries researcher that its all to do with the estimated number of fish stocks to the estimated catch rate. The ban is more than stopping people catching spawning fish. If that was the case why would they let the pros down south still fish in the ban period? Don't believe everything you read.
Rob H
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it was on Fisheries website
it was on Fisheries website in their discussion paper.
I'll find it and post it back up.
Not disagreeing about whether its serving a purpose or not, just that whatever effort there is here is only a tenth of metro, so why have it here?
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Samcapp
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Ban
Prooven or not the ban is a great thing, giving some of our most targeted fish a breather!
Rob H
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It may well be the right
It may well be the right move for the wrong reasons-for the metro area where the effort is 10 times elsewhere.
Why should we have it up here when its not deemed necessary down south?
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Chris fish
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because for down south you
because for down south you might get 3 days in 3 months you can even take a boat out along the south coast beacuse of the constant summer easterlies. weather puts bans in place for them and a lot less people putting pressure on fish stocks.
always looking for a new challenge!!
Rob H
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same goes with the southerly
same goes with the southerly up here, it blows about 6 days a week over summer
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Chris fish
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yeah every arvo so still
yeah every arvo so still able to get out a lot more often that the constant 30kt easterly along the south coast. im all for the ban and since they brought it in a lot more fish are around on the west coast but that may also be becvause of no pros in metro as well.
always looking for a new challenge!!
Rob H
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Id say the lack of
Id say the lack of commercials in metro is a far bigger factor.
The south coast easterly is not much different to our southerly-I fished down there commercially for 6 years.
But I cant quite work out where you are located?
Your all for the ban but profile says your Albany which doesnt have one, and your favourite fishing adventure was a week in Albany (sounding like it was a holiday?)
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terboz123
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I got no idea where your
I got no idea where your from, but the ban is a great thing metro wise.... The number of undersize dhues caught from year one of boat owning to year 4 has dramatically increased and that is a good thing.
Cop it in the chin mate, everyone does & everyone does have a whinge! I like it , it's make your target different species. Think outside the box it's not all about filling your freezer!
edited: seeing you live in gero.... Your pelagic run will be starting!
a hard days fishing still beats work
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GCGFC memberLamby
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Not necessary in the south?
Not necessary in the south? Not sure about that really.
The ban actually does coincide with dhuies breeding down here in the SW especially towards the latter end however pro's don't have this issue but I wonder what difference does it make with the rec's having this imposed when we see a pro boat hit up a well known breeding spot during this period & bagged over a 100 in that one day alone. If they wish to impose a ban, so be it but I think we all need to cop it sweet if that's the case.
Super peg
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Shit to hear mate, mad props
Shit to hear mate, mad props for catching ya first tailor on ya plug though! You get to see the strike?
The art of fishing consists of casting, winding, trolling and jigging
while freezing, sweating, swatting and swearing.
Aaron_Moses95
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cheers peg, unfortunately I
cheers peg, unfortunately I didn't , the fish hit the lure when it was behind a big wave , what are the chances hey.
Super peg
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Bit of a surprise then haha
Bit of a surprise then haha just as good, any horses amongst yours and the other blokes catch?
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Aaron_Moses95
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yeah peg one guy up on the
yeah peg one guy up on the rocks got one that would have been around 55cms'
Jim
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Landbased should be exempt
Landbased should be exempt from the demersal ban but I know it wont happen.
Nice session by the sounds of it.
Bend over
beau
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Why? Demersal is demersal. .
Why?
Demersal is demersal. .
terboz123
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Explain? Disagree completely
Explain? Disagree completely
a hard days fishing still beats work
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GCGFC memberWes F
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Ban is a Ban
How many L/B fisho would be lining the edges of Cockburn sound if ban didn't apply to them.
Old fishermen never die they just smell that way.
jack93
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Demersal ban
He says the demersal ban not the snapper ban
Wes F
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Ban is a Ban
Wasn't rfering to any ban in praticular. Oringinal post mentioned"Walked over to have a look at what it was and was shocked to see it was a big snapper and "
Demersal ban must still cover Cockburn sound even if the "snapper ban" is already inplace.
Old fishermen never die they just smell that way.
jack93
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But
But he said demersal ban exception not snapper ban ? So the snapper ban would still be in place so they wouldn't be lining the shores of the sound
Wes F
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Whatever
Your missing the point about not applying the ban to land based fisho's. Whether it's the demersal ban, snapper ban, marron ban, fresh water ban it applies to everyone, can't have it not apply to some and exempt others.
Old fishermen never die they just smell that way.
jack93
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Yea
I can't be stuffed
Jim
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Theres no point in
Theres no point in explaining. Do I have to explain?
Bend over
terboz123
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well then your comment is
well then your comment is reather pointless....and to be honest not worth wriiting.
a hard days fishing still beats work
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GCGFC memberStarbug
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Super peg
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I agree jim boaties can and
I agree jim boaties can and do fill their quota, landbased is a a lot more challenging/difficult to catch one let alone our bag limits in demersals.
unless you got a secret spot where you getting sharked and your having to blind fold people to take them there That is
The art of fishing consists of casting, winding, trolling and jigging
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dumper
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Versus
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hahaha
hahaha
Ben85
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If the land based guys can
If the land based guys can manage to catch a size demersal while fighting off blowies then fair play to them. They make bugger all impact on the demersal stocks. Although I do think they should have to be licensed, is it correct in saying they have benefit of our rec fishing license funds? Obviously just my opinion.
Jim
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I didnt think it would take
I didnt think it would take a rocket scientist to figure out.
Typical Boatie ;)
Bend over
DavidBaricevic
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I thought this part of the
I thought this part of the forum was for reports not a good old discussion on the ban....Which of course we all dont really like but put up with in order to keep fishing for the future...One day I would like to take my 3 year old son out fishing and still catch some decent fish.
sea-kem
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Hmmm ignorance is no excuse
Hmmm ignorance is no excuse for anyone LB or boatie. You are obligated by law to find out all the relevant local rules. Fine the prick that'll make him sit up and take notice. What we need are signs every hundred metres right next to the one's for idiots that can't swim etc Sounding out that there are fricken fishing rules !!!!! And written in every language known to man. Like Dumper says no fisheries officers around to police any of what's the point.
Love the West!
Spitfire56
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Agree
Agree with sea-kem, not knowing? That's crap. When I moved to WA I went to the tackle shop and got the free bit of paper that tells you the rules. No excuse. Don't see why rules should be different if landbased? If you don't want to fork out for a boat... Bad luck that's how the world works. If I have a smaller boat and can't get out as far should I be able to have different rules too. Not sure on what difference the ban really makes but I don't study it so just follow the rules. If you want to catch fish solely for eating purposes it's a shit load cheaper to go to the market
bitten
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you can all jam it up your
you can all jam it up your asses if i catch a snapper or dhie off the beach while fishing for tailor then i bloody deserve to keep it and ill be sticking a knife straight into its headits the boaties raping and pilleging everything that causes bans to be brought in anyway
im sure ban period caught snapper would taste much sweeter anyway
sea-kem
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Woo hoo that's the attitude.
Woo hoo that's the attitude. Blame it all on the boaties....Awesome stuff! You having a laugh or a troll bitten ???
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big john
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Dhie
If you dhie off the beach? Planning to wear chest waders in a storm are you?
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