buy sell etiquette
just curious of what ppl think is the correct etiquette when buying and selling gear on here. of course what Adam has listed in the buy and sell rules but eg should only deal with one buyer at a time or is a bidding war OK?
first person to PM has "rights" (by rights I mean correct etiquette only sometimes it's not that easy ......o fcourse the seller can do business however he/she wants) also what are peoples opinions on items that come up for sale way overpriced...have seen a few lately. ....do I think: not my business? or a friendly PM. after all I'm sure most here are genuine and may have bought an item when it was more expensive....or comment in the thread where all can see and maybe help a buyer from paying too much. but probably offend the seller?
some great deals on here.....and some ...not so....I certainly don't have all the info but have seen a few upset comments
scotto
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I was pretty pissed off
That a seller sold the dragonfly from under my nose just yesterday.
I was pretty sure I pm'd first, asked a few questions, then said I'd take it and shot off a reasonable (90% of the original asking price) offer. I was prepared to pay full price if required, but the reply I got nearly a full day later was that it was sold.
I do unto others, as I would expect people to treat me with the same ethics and morals, but that was a reminder that some people don't have any etiquette or morals at all when it comes to money.
Pitty
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I've been thinking the same
I've been thinking the same thing lately.
I see people asking more for there second hand gear than you can buy them new online. Usually this followed by a statement of don't make silly offers. How much they paid for the gear in the first place is irrelevant to me.
in the end though, people have the right to ask whatever they want, just do your research before you buy anything.
Generally I think most people try to do the right thing but in the end, buyer beware.
UBIQUE
sammy85
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Yea I got stitched up on a
Yea I got stitched up on a stella 5 a few months back seller agreed on offer and I was going to pick it up next day only to get a pm early morning saying that he hated doing this as it is unethical but had to sell it to someone who sent a pm that morning for more. I was pretty pissed off and won't be dealing with them again
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pricey10
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First person to come up with
First person to come up with the cash gets the goods i reckon. Ive been pissed around to many times holding stuff for people cause they were first to to reply (not on FW) its not as tho you can walk into a shop and say i was looking at that yesterday so i have holding rights to it. money talks
Karratha. WA
D_d_001
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Can see your point
Can see your point here...sucks to be left holding the ball when a buyer doesn't turn up. but becomes a bit more complicated than that when a "contract" is made by PM or phone call or whatever.
FWIW I've certainly know items to be placed on hold at a shop b4....but yeah bit of difference between looking and placing on hold.
guess if that's the way you want to do it then let ppl know you wont hold and first in gets it which is fine.
EricBananaMan
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Are you referring to KBSS
Are you referring to KBSS pricey10? Ive wasted a few days waiting for people to turn up to get things from me with not even a message. ANNOYING!
pricey10
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yeah right on bannana man. if
yeah right on bannana man. if anyone has a read of there code of conduct thats how not to do it. way to much conflict etc
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Brucesta
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good old KBSS is there a
good old KBSS is there a better thing going around in K-City than that site, love it! what a shambles!
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dodgy
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I think people treat being
I think people treat being banned from there as a badge of honour!!
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
pale ale
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I got banned for calling
I got banned for calling Vangy's chihuahua a rat!!
Had to create a false name, and got banned about 2 weeks later! Fuckin moles!
MandurahMatt
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Cash talks BS walks
Agree with pricey10 I've done deals with people elsewhere and held an item, turned other buyers away only to have the person backout ! First person to put the cash in your hand is the winner!
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paula8519
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posting items
As usual there are two sides to every story, re the dragonfly, Scotto made an offer which I did not accept. making an offer is simply that, where does this first in line stuff come from? there was no line, he did not state that he wanted the item just that this was his offer, and not that he would be prepared to pay more. Sadly I am not a mind reader and I could not anticipate his intentions.
when I received the offer of a full price I did what any seller would do, accept the offer at the full asking price. Scotto had a full day to improve his offer he chose not to, just as I did not accept his offer.
this forum is not ebay or gum tree, I was not conducting an auction, I did not ask for bids. Scotto is well within his rights to offer what he believed was a fair price just as I was entitled to accept the asking price. I regret the ill feelings this transaction generated it was not my intention.
paul a
scotto
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No way paul,
I'm not getting into an argument over this, but you are wrong. You never came back to me, except to tell me it was sold.
The decent thing to do, would be to come back to me (as expected), and say "listen Scotto, someone has offered me full price, and since you were the first to ask about it, if you want it at full price it's yours, otherwise it goes to the other guy".
but I guess that's what the original post is about, what kind of ettiquete, morals, etc would you expect from buy/sell on forums. That's the way I sell things, and from all my experiences, is the norm.
smicko
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Suck it up princess, you
Suck it up princess, you made an offer below asking price and the seller didn't reply, ergo he did not accept your offer. Doesn't mean you have first dibs. If you wanted it that badly offer full price.
scotto
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You douchebag,
How many secondhand cars get sold for asking price? How many secondhand anythings get sold for asking price? Not very many is the answer. Shit, I don't even pay full price at most department stores these days. If I could save $75 on a secondhand deal, then why not try? No harm in asking.
how was I supposed to know that completely ignoring a message is refusing? I hope you don't run a business smicko, as you won't last long if you operate like that.
MattMiller
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Scotto
is in the right here, honestly it's not that hard to reply to PM's or texts if YOU are trying to sell something.
Having personally bought plenty of different items from the FW buy and sell page the way Scotto thinks it should run is how it has always run.
smicko
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You're right Arsewipe,there's
You're right Arsewipe,
there's no harm in asking. But the fact is the seller did not reply to you and at no time was there any contact between you until the seller informed you the item had sold.
What on Earth would make you think you have first dibs by throwing out a lowball offer that isn't accepted?
I missed out on a reel on here a while back because I was being a tight arse and trying to knock a bit off the asking price. No one to blame but myself, the price being asked was very reasonable too.
Meh, shit happens. Put your quivering bottom lip away and stop carrying on like a spoilt brat.
edit# reply was to snotto not mm.
tigerfish
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Gotta say I'm with Paul and
Gotta say I'm with Paul and Smicko on this - no way it is the buyers responsibility to come back to you and check if you want to improve your offer just because you messaged them first. What if there were 5 people interested in it.....should they keep going to everyone in the order that they messaged to ask who would offer more....would take all week.
They posted an item for sale with an asking price (and a pretty fair price I thought.....I was pretty keen myself but missed out because I was too slow) and you offered them less than the asking price while someone else offered the full asking price. It was priced keenly and posted on a popular fishing forum.....if you were willing to pay the full asking price then you should have offered it up front and you could have been installing it this weekend. As it was you tried to save a few bucks and missed out and now you are calling into question the sellers morals etc......sour grapes if you ask me
Redemperor000
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Having etiquette would mean
Having etiquette would mean you get back to your potential buyers with updated info. And so what if 5 people were interested it would take 10 minutes to contact all of them hardly a week? Not getting back to someone who has made an offer on your item especially if they pm'd first is simply rude.
tigerfish
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Can't see how you you think
Can't see how you you think my post was advocating not getting back to people.....was simply sayng that it is not the sellers responsibility to conduct some sort of secret auction where they remember everyones offers and the order they came in and then go back to each in the correct order to see who would increase their offer and by how much....especially when they have already received an offer of the full asking price! My understanding was that Paul got back to him to say the item had been sold to someone who made a higher offer and to me that is fair enough.
If I am selling something and I receive one low ball offer, and another for the full asking price (albeit 10sec or 10min later), I'm going to sell it to the one who offered me the full amount upfront. I've bought a fair bit of second hand stuff online (FW, gumtree etc) and I cannot remember a time when I seller has come back to me asking if I want to bump up my offer because they had another person offering full asking price......and if they ever did I would probably think something fishy was up.
Rob H
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Ive done quite a few
Ive done quite a few buy/sells on here, all bar one without any problem whatsoever.
Only one quite a while back someone responded (cant even remember what it was), we agreed then just nothing.
At the end of the day-
1/ theres a fair few guys on here Ive dealt with and would again with no hesitation
2/ Theres a fair few more that I haven't but would be surprised if there was a problem
3/ Theres a few who respond/send PM's without even a Christian name and to me that's a no-no if asking for info, help or trust
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Cruise Control
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In my opinion only !As a
In my opinion only !
As a seller you have the right to accept any offer you choose. However if you agree to an offer then you have made a contract. It is then up to you to manage the sale and get your money. I would be pretty annoyed if I accepted an offer only to have a no show but this can be easily dealt with by placing a time limit on payment. I also alert other potential buyers that the item is sold and that if it falls through I will be in contact.
As a buyer, if my offer is accepted, I pay at the earliest possible time and I agree this with the seller. Again, if my offer was accepted, I would be more than annoyed if the item was sold to someone else before I had the time to pay in the agreed timeframe.
There are no real rules around this and I guess and people are people, you have to take them as you find them.
Mind you, in this electronic day and age of SMS and email, if an agreement had been reached and one party defaulted some smart bugger might decide to test it legally. Thad would be funny . . . . for some.
shortfuse
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my opinion, Scotto if you
my opinion, Scotto if you were prepared to pay the full price asked straight up as oposed to making a offer I think you have a case to feel ripped, but as you only made a offer the seller has right to accept the first person who says that they are prepared to pay full asking price. It really isn't up to the seller to have to do the hard sell and negotiate (seemed like a good deal in the first place)
Just my opinion
tot
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+1
lowballers can be offending after a while. depends if there is a ono but most of the cheap offers I find an insult and not worth a reply. JMO
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paula8519
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Dragonfly saga
Thanks for the posts re this topic, I never intended for Scotto to miss out and had no intention of upsetting any one, I was not aware of the ethics and morals that Scotto has assigned to this type of transaction , I was surprised to see his douche bag post re Smikos comment and this from a man with such high level of ethics and moral standards, am I missing some thing here.
paul a
scotto
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No dramas
Paul, call it sour grapes or whatever, but yeah I was dark that I missed the deal. I'll get over it. Ive got no hard feelings towards you. I probably carried on a bit too much, I guess everyone's expectations on these kinds of things are different. Maybe if anything, a few people learnt what to expect when buying/selling on forums.
Essman
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My 2 cents
I have to agree with what Scotto has said first up. General courtesy should apply in these situations. He had every right to make an offer. after all, it is a second hand item.
without knowing the exact circumstances, and from what I have read here and on the buy/sell post, I think Paul should have made contact with scotto and given him the opportunity to better his offer, but as I said, that's just my 2 cents!!
sea-kem
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Well it's the old wheeler
Well it's the old wheeler dealer thing. Get back top someone who has offered you a price and give them the opportunity to up it. And yeah common courtesy comes into it!! I went through exactly this last week selling a car got an offer someone topped gave the original person the opportunity to come back or not. It's in your interest sellers if you want more dosh. I agree with youn Scotto, it pisses me off when people don't reply with basic common courtesy.
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chris raff
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My 5 cents either way .. yes
My 5 cents either way .. yes you have every right to make a offer , but if it's a good price already and I'm keen I'd be offering full price and collection asap to secure the purchase , If I'm half hearted I'll make a offer and take a punt and see if my lucks in . In saying that, if I was the seller I would stipulate firm on price if I didn't want to respond to initial offers . Good communication and reliability is the key especially when dealing with fellow members of the site otherwise you'll leave yourself open to cop a bagging.
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petermac
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crickey
call me old school , but if I make a deal I stick with it even if even if there is a better offered latter I take it personally if I make an offer on something its accepted then knocked back latter
piston broke
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What a joke Scotto
You make an offer, he doesn't accept it. You both move on unless you make a better offer. End of story.
I sold a car recently and would have had 20 low offers. So you expect me to ring all 20 and say " Now boys, iv'e had a higher offer." DREAM ON.
scotto
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***facepalm
I'm well over this now, but before you go off and bag the shit out of me pistonbroke, you need to go back and read what actually happened.
I was never given the chance to better the offer. My exact words were "ok mate, I'll take it, would you accept $550?". The next bit of correspondence I got from Paul nearly a full day later was, "sorry Scotto, the unit is sold".
The common courteous thing to do would have been a simple message saying "Scotto, someone else has offered me full price, but seeing as you contacted me and showed interest in it first, if you want to match his offer, it's yours, otherwise I'm selling it to him".
this is the kind of ettiquete that is generally and commonly used on gumtree, forums, readers mart, etc.
anyway, enough said, as I mentioned before, I'm well over this. I don't have any hard feelings towards Paul.
piston broke
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Apologies Scotto
I did get it wrong. I thought your first offer was declined.
scotto
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Cheers mate,
craig scott
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I've read through all of
I've read through all of this and found it very interseting.
My opinion from the beginning was that Paul had no case to answer. It was a real bargain, and if I were buying I wouldn't have hesitated to offer asking price.
But what really impressed me was the maturity and consideration in Scottos aquiescence only a few posts back. I feel that you lifted the general standard of the issue by your gesture. Nicely done.
Cheers, Craig.
seadoggystyle
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My thoughts are - The seller
My thoughts are - The seller must honour the first 'accepted' offer, it is up to the seller if he wants to call every other person who has made an offer. It IS however in the sellers best interest (if they have the time) to call the other people back who offered originally and accept which ever offer they prefer. Remeber there are other sweeteners not just the price, it could be cash on the day or cash plus an additional item of the sellers liking etc.
But please for the love of humanity, honour the first accepted offer and put terms on etc deposit within certain time frame then the balance within a certain time frame. Then both parties are clear.
rocklobster
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are you serious people? it's
are you serious people? it's just a dragonfly ffs! Scotto made an offer below the asking price and Paul never accepted it nor is he obliged to do so. If Scotto wanted the dragonfly so badly he should've offered full price straight out instead of being a scrooge trying to save a few bucks and risking losing a bargain. what a f-----g joke
Mike17
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D_d_001
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not sure if this agro
not sure if this agro response is at me for starting the thread at Scotto or just ......at everyone in general but I didn't make this thread to get comments on Scotto's dealings in particular
Would still be interested in constructive comments on the original post but don't really expect to get any now that I think most wold be bored of the thread in general especially with comments like the above.
rocklobster
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most definitely not directed
most definitely not directed at you D_d_001. just getting sick and tired of sooky la la's using this forum to have a whinge when things don't go their way. that's life, you win some, you lose some, cop it on the chin and move on. don't see the need to whinge but i was raised old school and i guess we're all different. and agro? thought i was being quite passive. . . ;-) tight lines everyone
sea-kem
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Face palm again!! The point
Face palm again!! The point is, is that Scotto was in first with an offer. The nice or moral thing to do is say nah got a better offer. I'm sure you'd be pissed off if you put in an offer for something on here and were totally ignored, especially if it was a reasonable offer. You're right Paul is not obliged to accept the offer but could have had the decency to say no thanks THAT'S THE POINT!!!! The whole thing of buying second hand gear is to get it at a cheaper price or am I missing something?? DOH!
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TorquenFish
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+1 Rocklobster
bradz
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Simple
Its pretty simple.
If you come to an agreement on a price...its yours.
If you are negotiating and someone comes in with a higher bid, perhaps offer the counter to the original person.
If its a first come-first served type thing, and someone with a PM beats a post on the main board, honour the first received message.
Give a time frame. If someone says "hold it for me", irrespective of whether you have a deposit or not, give them a time frame. After that its back up for sale.
I will however admit that on one occasion I sold something to someone who conctacted me by PM, only to notice a post on the main board which was posted 2 hours earlier offering the same price. That was purely down to me not seeing the main post. I got notified of the PM and so dealt with that first.
Treat others as you would like to be treated.
The Dragonfly issue is a hard one. I can see both sides to the story. I went through something similar with a boat. We had negotiated a price on the Thursday and both agreed to have the mechanical inspection done on the Monday. I had the mechanic turn up to do the inspection on the Monday only to find out the seller sold it on the weekend. His argument (which may legally be correct) was that I didnt leave a deposit. Legally he is right...morally he is a turd. End of the day I lost out.
I did then the best that I knew how. When I knew better, I did better.
Snags
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Only had one bad experience
Only had one bad experience buying privately online, it was on here unfortunately.
We discussed price via PM, they said "call if you're interested", so I did.
We spoke and they said they'd call back to arrange a time & place.
Didnt hear back for a while so i rang and left a msg and followed it up with a PM.
Over a week later, still no reply to my voicemail or PM and the for sale post was updated to say the item was sold!
I was pretty annoyed because I stopped shopping around for reels because i was waiting for this person to get back to me.
I hope one day when I have a boat and I'm on here looking for a deckie he puts his hand up, i'll be telling him where to go!
dodgy
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The other one that makes me
The other one that makes me smile is when someone offers something for sale and one of northern members is interested only to be told in no uncertain terms that postage will not be considered.
Fast forward a couple of weeks and that same seller is looking for advice on northern fishing spots and techniques........ No tips for you!
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
EKUL
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dodgy
i would be more than happy to pick up and on forward your buys from here dodgy...for a small price of locations ;)
new age
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If im selling stuff on here
If im selling stuff on here I usually try to look after people a bit more than I would with places like gumtree. It is really a community on here so it helps to get each others six. Never know who on here might help out around the corner I reckon
Snags
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that's exactly right. Perth
that's exactly right.
Perth is a small enough place even without having to narrow it down to just boat ramps and shoreline!