Could you please identify this fish
Submitted by TopEnder on Wed, 2008-12-31 17:17
Hope you can help in identifying this fish. I had a great day catching 20+ of these on my bream gear. I was out in the middle of the sound and there was a huge school of them attacking every lure I chucked at them. They were all in the 40-50cm range so awesome fun on 6lb. Fight is real hard like a large skippy etc. Hope someone can help because I wouldn't mind taking one for a feed if they are tasty and ofcourse of legal size.
Regards Dave
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can you down size please
my eyes are not that big i have high jacked matts computer it is new years eve and e had a few drink sorry
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hope that is a better size
hope that is a better size my laptop has a large screen and high res so i thought it was ok. sorry
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Amberjack Tackle Dangler
Amberjack
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Matt says is one of three
1/ amber jack
2/ sambo
3/ king fish
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I was thinking one of those
I was thinking one of those three but amber jack seems to fit best....... never got one let alone 20 in the sound. must be a nice little nursery. Any other guesses?
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having a guess
it a baby kingy ,not sure how often they inhabit the sound?
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Definately an Amber with the
Definately an Amber with the Yellow band throught the eye
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Yeah the tail and fins don't
Yeah the tail and fins don't have any yellow in them like a kingy. the yellow band is Quite distinct.
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Then it is sambos mate
as you will not get 20 amber jacks in one session in my opinion
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Juvenile amberjacks school
Juvenile amberjacks school though. The adults dont (least not to the degree of sambos)
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Check my post of "almost
Check my post of "almost double header" and see the differant head profile/ colours on a baby sambo
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All my previous sambos
All my previous sambos juvenile and adults have been alot darker especially along the back/shoulders
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we
we may have a good amberjack fishery around perth then!
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The baby YTKs are hooded
The baby YTKs are hooded more too, hence hoodlum I guess. I'd go with amberjack too.
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Baby AJ
Looks like a baby AJ to me.
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I've added another photo
I've added another photo from the top. gotta love the phone with the camera. So if they are Amber jacks it's lucky they all went back. The need to be 60cm.
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A flat great white in desguise LOL
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The most reliable way to
The most reliable way to identify the difference between Samson Fish, Yellowtail Kingfish and Amberjacks is by doing a dorsal ray count.
Amberjacks have 29-35, Samson Fish have 23-25 and Yellowtail Kings have 31-34.
I count 34, so that means it's either a Yellowtail King or Amberjack. I grew up in NZ catching Yellowtail Kings of all sizes and none of them looked like these fish. I would say they are Amberjack but I have never caught a Amberjack and I always thought Amberjacks were the more oceanic species of the 3.
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travelly
baby maybe gold.. or amberjack.. not ytk or sambo
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would seem like heaps of
would seem like heaps of fun, how did you manage to find these?
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I was checking out a well
I was checking out a spot in the sound today and as I pulled up i noticed activity on the surface. My my bream rod was at hand prerigged with my favourite flathead lure so i thought why not have a chuck and see what follows it up.
First cast first hookup and one to the boat after a good fight. At first I thought i was onto a snapper or something. From then on I caught pretty much one after the other on all sorts of lures. I tried heaps of variety to see what they wouldn't hit.
The most popular was the trusty gold twisty in a variety of sizes. I left my soft plastic box at home but I think they would have been smashed also.
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o k guys , have a look at
o k guys , have a look at the almaco jack , its a possability
google it and have a look
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Had a look Matt, but the
Had a look Matt, but the pics I saw showed the almaco jack having a bigger dorsal than the one in that pic. Also, a bit darker, and a dark, not yellow band. But all those seriola look pretty similar, so who knows if the babies look exactly the same as the adults.
Also odd though is a lot of sites showing a small front dorsal on amberjacks, but any i've seen caught here dont have it (unlike sambos). Makes you wonder if ours is a slightly different species to the US ones or if theres another reason?
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Bob's got the book
out and he reckons its baby sambo, they swim with snapper & skippy, they all school together till they get older then go their separate ways.
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a number of years ago i was
a number of years ago i was involved in some studies for fish cross breeding......this started of very unsuccessfull and stayed as such for approx 2years..... became very expensive but private funding person was very committed....
within the few years after the breeding became successfull there was i think 13 new species bred.
what i am saying is this looks like one of those 13 species..... out of the 13 there was only 2 that ended up being released into the wild..... one of them was released in albany and the other in geraldton.... they were all tagged and had trackers implanted but most went of line after a short while.... it was thought they were eaten by predators....
i'll make a few calls and find out more info
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yes mr snuffleupagus it would be interesting
to see what it really is
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what were the two? ive seen
what were the two? ive seen some skippy arundthe place that look half like yellowtail.
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definatly not a kingi...much
definatly not a kingi...much too wide in the body.
looking very much like a trevally, but slighty different because of the line down the head/back. Would put my money on it being a trevally though.
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yeah couple of weeks ago i
yeah couple of weeks ago i got heaps of this little guys on small maruibo jigs was fun on the bream gear just in front of the power house
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sambo i think I wish I
sambo i think
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Definitely AJ
Been catching a reasonable number of 40-45cm YTK's on the Five out of Mandurah and the body shape is very similar but colouration is completely different. The tails on those fish were only starting to become yellow and the yellow stripe through the eye and across the flanks was just visible. With larger fish like yours, these markings would be bolder.
And I'll rule out sambo since, as mentioned above, young ones are almost always covered in very distinct brownish/bronze blotches.
So through process of elimination....amberjack!
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Google in "amberjack in australia"
for Game fishing association identification.
Gill raker count seems to be a crucial factor along with spines in the fins.
Funny though they are only supposed to be from Albany to Cape Naturaliste.
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googled this
Identification
Samson fish are one of the most confusing species to identify, given that at times they keep company with yellowtail kingfish and amberjack, of which the latter is quite similar in appearance. It is even harder to distinguish juveniles of these species, all of which have similar colouration at one stage in their development.
Ultimately the best way to be sure that you have caught a samson fish is to count the branch rays on the first dorsal fin – 23-25 on a samson. This fin tends to drop against the back of the fish in death.SPEWIE LEWIE
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Baby ambo
Aint a sambo, looks like a baby ambo to me.
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baby ambo kinda looks
baby ambo
kinda looks like a skippy crossed with an ambo though
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Amberjack
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Baby Sambo
Looked in "Sea Fishes of Southern Australia"near identical shot of it there [after capture it usually takes on an irregular banded pattern]definitely Samson fish
RAINBOW have caught amberjacks up as far as Gnaraloo trolling for mackies
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this is hilarious
this is hilarious
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Agreed! definately not a
Agreed! definately not a sambo or kingy, I thought it was pretty obvious actually.
100% Amberjack.
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Same question here in South Africa.
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I caught 2 Amberjacks last week jigging here in Durban, see pic below!
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It's a Juvenile AmberJack
Nice pictures and thread to read.... if I can also have my 2c worth
It's a Juvenile AmberJack
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hey
i think uve hooked an amberjack there mate
baby 1 though
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by deduction
it aint a sambo and it aint a kingy - doesn't leave a lot of suspects. Amberjack is the obvious answer.
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Result
Hope everyone agrees now,its a
YELLOWTAIL SAMBOJACK
one of those ones where no one can agree to disagree
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Must agree carnarvonite
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