Cray divers allowed 5!

Apparenlty now under normal circumstances we are allowed 5 minutes to sort on the boat. But should make attempts to count!

 

We can also take setose!

 

"

Diving
Divers may only catch rock lobster by hand, or
by a hand-held snare or blunt crook. Spears,
nets and similar devices that can damage
rock lobster are illegal. Diving for rock lobster
is now permitted at the Abrolhos Islands.
Divers should make all attempts to measure
and count rock lobsters as accurately as
possible in the water. Check each rock lobster
as you catch it to determine if it is totally
protected (see page 10). If totally protected,
release it carefully and immediately, before
another rock lobster is captured
Fisheries Officers in normal circumstances
allow five minutes from when a diver returns
to the vessel for divers to sort, recheck for
any totally protected lobster and tail clip their
catch (see page 14), before undertaking their
inspection."

 

http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/recreational_fishing/licences/rec_licence_rock_lobster.pdf


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 Wonder if Fisheries are

Fri, 2017-10-13 18:55

 Wonder if Fisheries are going to drop their case against Bret now this has come in. Common sense needs to prevail.

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5 minutes

Fri, 2017-10-13 18:55

 Pretty quick but understandable.

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Hold your horses

Fri, 2017-10-13 19:00

the new rules still do not allow divers to bring up more than 8 crays though. They have done a bit of a left hand right hand sneaky sneaky. 

 

This is will in no way impact brets case, as it is the number of crays he had when he surfaced that is the issue. 

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 Yeh its pretty cryptic. But

Fri, 2017-10-13 19:04

 Yeh its pretty cryptic. But i thought it was going to read may not surface with more than 8.

 

But it also says that fisheries officers will wait 5 minutes before they do there inspection which wouls mean you would onky havr 8 left!

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Number

Fri, 2017-10-13 19:02

 I would suggest not surfacing with more than your allowed cray quota of 8 though.

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Now we all remember the problem

Fri, 2017-10-13 20:14

We all will no doubt remember when the guy had the huge problem with growing to many potatoes, the law was changed and all the charges except one were dropped. The charge that was pursued was of a minor nature if I remember correctly (I may be wrong)so I wonder if fisheries will walk away from this in light of the altered guidelines.

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 So it seems I dive for crays

Fri, 2017-10-13 21:29

 So it seems I dive for crays the way I always have, the only change in my way of doing things is I can keep setose crays... I read it as you can release excess quantity or protected crays withing 5 minutes of surfacing. (same as I have always done...)

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 The way i read it is theyre

Fri, 2017-10-13 22:06

 The way i read it is theyre giving you 5 minutes to double check the 8 crays you surfaced with

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 The way i read it is theyre

Fri, 2017-10-13 22:06

 The way i read it is theyre giving you 5 minutes to double check the 8 crays you surfaced with

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That's also how i'm reading

Sat, 2017-10-14 07:48

That's also how i'm reading it.

Not allowed to bring to the boat anymore than your limit of 8.

Your responsibility to check them underwater if you want to make sure they are all legal size, non berried, tar spot etc.. & if any are they will need to go back into the water within 5 minutes, leaving you to go home with less than 8.

This a huge inconsistency betwen what constitutues the 'take' of an animal vis a vis diving and fishing with pots with respect to the definition of 'take' in the fisheries act.

Hopefully Bret Cater's appeal case gets to challenge fisheries on this issue and the original verdict of the first court hearing in his favor is upheld.

 

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 Yeah true, but they would

Sat, 2017-10-14 05:59

 Yeah true, but they would have to be instances where people could miss count and may be have a couple over. You should be allowed 5 mins to check and recount if that's the case 

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Will just be taking a cray

Sat, 2017-10-14 08:28

Will just be taking a cray pot out, drop it over the side, go for a swim, pull the pot and see how I go......

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 Yep they make these little

Sat, 2017-10-14 09:21

 Yep they make these little 1/2 size ones which are perfect . Skipper on the days pot!

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My concern is what is normal/abnormal circumstances

Sat, 2017-10-14 10:41

 What constitutes "normal circumstances" for the fisheries to allow 5 minutes before approaching the boat? Where do they draw the line for abnormal circumstances? Can you wave them off if you still have another diver down and due to surface?

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Would be the safe thing to do wouldn't it?

Sun, 2017-10-15 10:44

 From DoT guidelines

Vessels to keep clear All vessels must keep at least 50 metres clear of boats, buoys or areas showing diving signals. Where it is not possible to keep 50 metres clear or when in the vicinity of a diving signal, all vessels must proceed at safe speed and with due caution until well clear and keep a good look-out for persons in the water. If you have no valid reason to be within 50 metres of a dive flag then don’t be. Wanting to dive, fish or drop pots within 50 metres is not necessarily a valid reason. Please use common sense and courtesy. All vessels must navigate so as to avoid injury to the diver or interference with the vessel or floating object. DoT recommends where possible skippers maintain a distance of more than 100 metres from a vessel or buoy displaying a dive flag. 

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Unless fisheries don't use common sense and courtesy.

Sun, 2017-10-15 10:46

 Unless fisheries don't use common sense and courtesy.

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More grey areas than a pommy summer.

Sun, 2017-10-15 08:52

I think the term everyone is searching for is , INDIAN GIVER.

Indian giver is a American expression, used to describe a person who gives a 'GIFT' , and later wants it back, or who expects something

of equivelent worth in return.

The phase is still use to descibe a negitive act ,or shady deal.

Reading all the above comments it think it just highlights how far this debate , and overblown nature of the way fisheries are now conducting

themselves, has come , and we are all the poorer for it.

I dont care wheather this cray issue has you for or against  , its the very way Bret Carters case and the general process to gain some clarity and fairness for all 

that marks a turning point in the way we are going to be treated in the future thats got to be a concern for all West Aussies.

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Guardy

Sun, 2017-10-15 08:59

That doesn’t stop them at all. ( divers still in water)

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Yep,

Mon, 2017-10-30 09:02

 That's what I figured. I have had them come alongside here but the divers were out of the water but I have had them come alongside in NZ when some of the divers were still down and due up. Much the same in both countries.

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clarify this

Fri, 2017-11-03 06:32

 Im sure i know the answer to this but for my own clarity im going to put it out there anyway. 

if we have two divers, and one boat minder, our limit for the day is 16 crays right not the boat limit of 24? the boat minder isnt "actively fishing" even though they are part of the process for the day? license or not they cant posess their 8 crays?

 

 

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small pot over the side

Fri, 2017-11-03 09:14

small pot over the side before the dive, boat minder pulls the pot at the end of the dive, hey look 8 crays, go home, cook and eat crays, wash down with beer, the end.

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I like it

Fri, 2017-11-03 17:00

No problems .

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 Probs not, but chuck a spare

Fri, 2017-11-03 08:27

 Probs not, but chuck a spare set of diving gear in the boat and say you took it in turns. if its genuinly a team effort.

 

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 wasnt much of an issue in

Mon, 2017-11-06 05:40

 wasnt much of an issue in the end, we were either too far out or too close in... have heard mates catching in the 30's and others catching behind carnac..we could only find a few smalls on the 5

 

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 Good comment Biz, end of the

Mon, 2017-11-06 06:37

 Good comment Biz, end of the day you couldve shared the same dive gear.

 

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 The question asked by BizKit

Mon, 2017-11-06 18:38

 The question asked by BizKit is"activly fishing,in the case of a third person in the boat with a license,Divers are told we must take care fair enough ,but if a mates comes out stays on the boat for the safety side of things should he not be considerd to be activly involved,Every Abalone season I see children age less than 10 walking on the reefs or elderly people far to old or unable to actilvly fish for Abalone But they have a license & the other family members cathch for them But I have never seen a fisheries officer dealing with this double standard?Why