deep sea jig?!

rigged up this jig differently to my other ones for hapuka and ruby ect...

 

 the back hook is a 10/0 with split rings and a ball bearing swivel

 

the front two hooks are attached with 100lb nylon coated wire and set into place with a heavy duty lacky band. the hooks are set outwards and when the fish takes the jig the rubber band will snap and they will fight only against the wire.

 

 who likes and who dosen't.

 

i'm not sure whether it will work or not. 

 

cheers

 

Mr Dhuie 


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Don't know if you need that

Mon, 2010-03-29 19:58

Don't know if you need that many hooks on the jig I think they might take that in one bite

 what size jig is that one and how deep you want to go?

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That many hooks you're like

Mon, 2010-03-29 20:57

That many hooks you're like trying to loose the jig???

Some people add tail hooks to jigs, but only really long jigs, over 23cm.

The lackybanding is a strategy used in some other fisheries, but its actually done to stop midwater fish getting onto the jig before you get it down to where you want them getting on.

Why wire? Hapuka and stuff like that have zero chance getting thru 300lb kevlar assists and thise sharks down there, if you get a big one on you just pray that it bites you off.

 

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Firstly, I think that's a

Tue, 2010-03-30 00:22

Firstly, I think that's a good effort but in all honesty I think in this case the KISS principle applies.

Jamie has raised all the necessary points, but to explain it to you briefly, Rubies and Puka are very greedy creatures.

There's not much food down there so once they decide to go for it, they go for it with gusto. Typically, these fish go for the head first in a gulping or sucking action, to swallow their prey head-first. This is where a free-swinging assist would be more practical.

Some good ideas raised though, but I would focus my attention more on getting a jig that has more natural action and flutter. The searock is a very basic jig, albeit at a very affordable price.

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Agree with the above

Tue, 2010-03-30 08:39

Agree with the above comments, nice effort though and always good to experiment with a new technique.

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Fish like dhuies, harpuka,

Tue, 2010-03-30 08:59

Fish like dhuies, harpuka, greyband, etc have pretty big bucket mouths for their size. When they find their prey, they open their mouth inhaling everying in front of them (big suction). If you have free swinging assists, then they're light and tend to get pulled into the mouth first (as opposed to a heavy jig which would move less).


I see you've also used circle type hooks which is really not a good idea for jigging. When you go your next jig, if the hooks are in the fishes mouth, you're just going to yank them out without a hookup. Circles need slow pressure, something thats a bit opposite to jigging actions. The fish would have to swallow the whole jig at the right angle if you've lacky banded the hooks to it. In order for the circles to hook up, the elastic band would have to snap so they can rotate in properly and i'm just not sure how that would work. If you had a different type of hook and were winding flatout, maybe it would work better, but I dont really see the point of having the assist lacky banded to the jig?

 

As for wire, I doubt you're going to get kelvar assist wearing through on those types of fish. Also, depending on the wire and the fish, sometimes they can get annoying kinks in them after a fish (doesnt happen with softer assists). Also, check the strength of the connections, as wire crimps can sometimes look deceptively strong (when sometimes they're nowhere near).


Any reason why you used a long shank tail hook? Not really sure any hook is needed on the tail for the type of fish you're chasing. Also, even with the swivel, the hook isnt as free swinging (to hookup) and you'd still have a heavy jig in front (for leverage). The sea rocks seem to have pretty strong wire, but not sure about other jigs (just a preference for me not to use any of the jig in the fight, but i'd be surprised if most jigs had a problem).

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Mr Dhuie hope you dont think

Tue, 2010-03-30 17:32

Mr Dhuie hope you dont think we are bagging your jig  we are just helping/giving our opinion.

Question to the other guys above would the lacky/ban make the jig twist ?because I thought that looked like a good idea

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thanks

Tue, 2010-03-30 17:45

thanks guys for the help... i usually have normal cable and free swinging hooks but i thought i might just try something different. i didn't know that they take jigs headfirst?

i wouldve thought circles are better so that they have less of a chance of getting off but allthough you decrease your hookup rate. 

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Circle hooks do work well to

Tue, 2010-03-30 18:15

Circle hooks do work well to keep the fish on and hook them properly, but in order to set them you need to use a different action from the one you're using for jigging, so you're hookup rate would be pretty miserable (its a different story with bait).

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Naturally, most fish will

Tue, 2010-03-30 20:01

Naturally, most fish will attack another head first.

Doesn't give the prey a chance to swim away and if you notice all their spines are pointed backwards, not forwards.

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That looks like a 500g

Tue, 2010-03-30 17:51

That looks like a 500g searock, so I doubt it will twist much. Its more just that it doesn't necessarily help you catch deep water species.

Quite the opposite, I recall someone (Accident Prone?), posted pics they had of those mini rubber squid added to their assist hooks, the idea being that more drag on the hook would help gulp feeders like hapuka gulp up their hook.

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effort for trying!

Tue, 2010-03-30 18:57

Kasey nailed it, KISS principle for sure!

My thoughts, Single hooks with kevlar ie Owner SJ41 or Maria versions

Singles offers better swimming action and hook up wise i've tried the singles, double and top-n-bottom rigging and the outcome was better to stick with singles off the tow eye!

Better jigs i fully agree to get the better enticing action, correct weight for depth of water and drift/current and last but not least jigging action!

All my big deepwater jigs ie Sanme & Andaman have bite marks near the head and mid section of my jigs, many of your target fish will try to enhail it not so nip at it!

 

HTH

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cheers boys

Wed, 2010-03-31 17:27

cheers boys for all the info.. now that i think about it it all makes sense. i will make up a new one and see how that goes