dropper knots or three way swivel???? advice please
Submitted by biggerfish on Wed, 2009-05-06 13:24
Been using thrre way swivel rigs for bottom bouncing was just wondering what every one elses prefered rigs are for bottom bouncing. Was thinking of tying small dropper with 150pound leader then tying a single strand of 100pound leader 2 the loop with the hook on the end can anyone suggest a knot for joining the leader to the dropper knot ive used a blood knot in the past but wonder if there is a better knot. Only reason for attaching the single strand to the dropper is if the hook leader gets rubbed on a reef all i have 2 do is replace the hook leader instead of the whole rig. Any advice appreciated
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Rodrat
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Each to his own
I usally use about 80 pound for my rigs.
Sometimes use three way swivels if i have time to tie them up or i just double knot the dropper lines. Both work well for me.
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wopjrb
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dropper knott mate - pm me if u want me to show u how
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Simon C
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Droppers for me
Mate o I used to used three ways and yes, if you are over structure I recon they are a winner, I used to run 50lb attached to the swivel so that if a fish wrapped you in coral you had a chance of getting it off. Now I just use twisted droppers in 80lb. Seems to work OK for me.
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Save you on unneccessary
Save you on unneccessary knots and swivels that can be a point for breakage. Dropper loops for me KISS principe.
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wopjrb
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uni knot with three turns - heaps of spit
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hlokk
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Swivels all the way.
Swivels all the way. Stronger, dont twist up your rig, and you can mix and match line sizes.
A lot of 'unneccesary knots and swivels' can be stronger and more reliable than a few dropper knots (which arent known for their strength). Strong over Simple ;) (not that the knots and swivels are that complicated)
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Swivels if i can , saves you
Swivels if i can , saves you alot of leader aswell , the line from the 3 way to the sinker can be cheap JW mono because you dont need it to be as good as the length to the hook.
Have not had a problem with droppers yet though
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chrisp
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I used to do droppers!
until i hooked a big double header and both fish went in opposite directions and snapped the 100lb dropper off clean.Lucky i was using a 3 way on the top dropper and landed a 7kg dhu.Far stronger using 3 ways.Now i only use 60lb and never been busted.
fishcrazy
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2 way
i like using the owner 2way swivels they work really well , oh and yea dropper loops
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dropper loops for me use
dropper loops for me use 40lb right up to 150lb leader good leader also helps
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carnarvonite
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Dropper Knot
Always used it,150lb ,lots of spit and muscle when tying.Lose a hook,no problems poke the loose end throughthe loop,grab another,loop outside,hook through the dropper loop ,bit of bait and you're fishing again.Quick as that.
No cut off broken bit ,tie line on,cut to length,feed through hook eye and then tie the knot--By then I've already got another fish on.
A lot of boats use 60-80lb and just tie dropper loops about 8 inches long and a foot apart in strings of 20 or so.If you lose a rig,just cut another off the string so you have 3 loops,tie a swivel on the loose end and feed the double line through the hook eye over the bottom of the hook,sinker,pull tight,sinker on the bottom and attach to the main line and you are in business.The only draw back is that you cannot use too heavy line as it won't go through hook eyes doubled.
If you know the bottom you are fishing is going to be hard on gear,use bits of chain weighing the same as your lead,you will find it rarely snags.
eddie
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carnvarnonite that's some
carnvarnonite that's some interesting info, though I'm not sure I totally understood some of it.
hlokk...you say you never get line twists with 3-ways, but I often do....not always, but often enough. wonder if I'm doing something wrong??? i tell ya, I'm spewin when I drift good ground...get no bites... reel up and find my rig twisted up! haha
interesting thoughts from everyone!
hlokk
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What swivels are you using?
What swivels are you using? The ones with two swivels work better than the others i've tried. The brass ones especially are crap. Occasionally it comes back twisted, though, usually on the retreive. If you drop it just underwater you can see if it swims right, and when it drops down, you can watch if it twists and slow it down a bit i needed. Though usually when it twists, the double swivels make it really easy to untwist.
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a few diffrent methods 2 try
A few diffrent methods 2 try there. Going 2 tie two short twisted doubles with 100 pound then tie a 8 inch leader of 80pound with hook and snood on to the droppers with an allbright knot have made spare snoods and hook leaders so if the hook is snapped off all i need 2 do is tie on a premade snood or hook. The twisted dropper with the allbright knot makes the dropper sit rigid on a 90degree angle to the main line looks like it will sit great in the water. Will give it a go tomorrow nothing better than a mid week fish hope the boys at work dont work to hard while i,m out fishing that aint living. Going 2 singapore tomorrow night so i gotta get my weekly fish in before i go.
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Eddie - it might be
Which bait is twisting up - my bet is that it is the mulie ! I have greatly reduced the problem by changing to snooded three hook traces and ensuring that the top hook penetrates the eye, the second penetrates the bait on the left and the tail hook enters the bait from the opposite side (right) - whenever I forget and put them all in one side as with a standard gang of hooks the bait spins and twists on the way down.
Using yellow tail for bait I always cut off the tail itself as this seems to greatly reduce twisting and hang ups.
Oh and I always use three way swivels and ensure the line attaching the sinker has a lighter breaking strain - dont mind loosing a lead if you get the rest back
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I do it fairly similar, but
I do it fairly similar, but with two hooks, and I go through the nose. Seems to hold a little tighter than the eyes. If you pin through the bottom jaw, then up through the nose, it'll clamp the mouth shut (open mouths can twist a lot).
Cutting off the tail is definately a good idea too.
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Thanks for the extra info
Thanks for the extra info guys. I haven't used the brass ones, but also haven't tried the '2-swivel' ones either, which probably are better quality than what I use.
With mulies I use two hooks, one thru the eye and one about 2/3 down the body with tail cut off. I get twisting with squid baits at least as much or more than with mulies.
might try the nose hook as well, hlokk.
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I also use the '2-swivel'
I also use the '2-swivel' setup and have found they are by far better than droppers and 3-way swivels. For mulies I always use two snooded hooks placing the end one through the eye with the 2nd one into the body but so the hook eye sits inline with the tail and then I tie a half hitch round the tail and eye which holds everything in place. I tie all swivels etc using a uni knot.See below link.
http://www.ausfish.com.au/knots/
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