mouse, there was a post a week or two ago on the same topic,
quite a bit of info was put up and i think your questions will be answered by reading it

I would suggest you do some research first,I heard a rumour and I stress rumour that they may be banned except for pro's and disabled fishers in the future.How true the rumour is I don't know but the source is usually spot on

I want to use it for the 300-500 meters Im thinking that might be i bit of work without a electric-reel with a 2-4kg of lead and fish or 2

i read the same on rec fish west website
they are in support of an electric reel ban

The other option is the big Alvey reefmaster or reefqueen reels

last week in 300 m with 6 kilos of lead just to hold bottom there is no way you could fish that depth with a 3knot drift with a rod and reel so i would say a reef queen would be my choice half the price and wont be illegal next year

The following comments are from the Recfishwest site.

Recfishwest recommends that electric winches be prohibited from use by recreational line fishers. This gear is not consistent with the recreational fishing ethic and will reduce the push to fish in waters greater than 300 metres.

"not consistent with recreational fishing ethic".  And a 100lb handline is?

Morals are great and each to there own but it appears to me that we are being totally over governed as to what we should or shouldn't be doing.  ffs all I want is to eat a feed of fish occasionally.

well , i'd say a handline is prob a fair bit more sporting than an electric winch but each to their own.

you could still get your feed with the above mentioned alvey reels

about skull draging a 5kg fish out of 30 feet of water with a 100lb hand line and whats sporting about reefmasters and reefqueens loaded with 500yards of heavy line bolted to the side of the boat fishing deep water and whats sporting about pinging fish on these new hi tec sounders even at 15 knots or more. Come on give us a break recfish you are so full of it. As a matter of fact you do not speak for the majority of us because the majority of us do not even like you. The sooner you leave my recreational sport of fishing the better imo.

so how do you fish exactly ???

i can see their point.

and yes , it is more sporting to manually wind up your catch.

would you disagree?

It appears to me that by supporting the ban of electric reels Recfish is attempting to dissuade anglers from fishing deep.  What does Recfish or anyone other body for that matter know of the sustainability of recreational  fishing for the deep water species?  I have no idea but if someone does I'd be interested.  Are these also endangered species like the V5?  To my knowledge hapuka, bass, blue eye trevella or ruby snapper are not fished to any great degree by the pros in WA so we cannot blame the pros on depleting these fish stocks.  Quite frankly I think it's a croc of ... but happy to be educated.

For the record Grayzeee I choose to disagree.  One shouldn't confuse sport fishing with ethics.   Is it more sporting to wind up a king george whiting with 50lb line or 100lb?

The point I am trying to make is that electric reels have their place and not only to the disabled fishers.  Some of us older folks whilst not disabled appreciate a helping hand particularly in 300m+.  However if you are younger than my 58 years you are being lazy. lol.

FISHING with electric winches and reels is NOT fishing !!!  I can see the arguement though

Alan there is actually research being done on these deep water species atm and there has been for a number of years in WA.

The problem with many of these deep water species is that they are slower growing and can be subject to over fishing due to their habit of not moving far and slow growth/reproductive rate. 

The Hapuka is meant to fare better and current bag limits on these are by all accounts managing this fishery fairly well.

There has actually been a fair pro take of these fish over the years and if you go thru the past fisheries reports you will see some decent tonnes taken.

If you look at the published local deepwater trawl numbers for ruby snapper you get a bit worried. The numbers dropped by 10% per year over 10yrs and now I don;t think they target them anymore.

Tks for the feedback Tim and Till.  Do you know what body is undertaking the research on these deepwater species and whether their findings are made public?

As a matter of interest are electric reels banned in any other Australian states?  Not saying that constitutes a valid arguement for or against.

One of the fisheries researchers is doing it Alan.

Usually need to wait for it to be completed before it is made public.

i dont use an electric reel in those depths!! :)

use your muscles!!! i use a 2 speed tyrinos.

will a tyrinos hold enough line for for the 300-500 mtr mark??

Depends what size it is.

If ya too old or too unfit to do it dont do it youve had your turn leave it to the next generation. If it wasnt for the older crew the fishery wouldnt be were it is today!

Modern day defenders of the deep, when i can tell ya very few have even gone near the deep let alone fished it so what would they know. Let them continue to hammer the shallows as they still do today but don't tell me where to fish and what gear to use.

"It appears to me that by supporting the ban of electric reels Recfish is attempting to dissuade anglers from fishing deep"

spot on , Alan

can't see thats a bad move

anyone can still fish out deep. you've just got to wind the handle and work hard for your feed, instead of press a button and wait to see whats dragged up for you.

the way i see it . if you're going to reap the rewards , then you should put a little effort into it.

maybe it will put a few people off , and there's only one winner there.

the fish

i should say that i'm intending to head out there when i get the gear to do so too.

noone has said they let the reels wind up the fish for them, my un derstanding on the elec reel is to assist you bringing up an empty line but still bring a fish up the conventional way, thats me but if others are bringing the fish up on elec power iys their choice and the reels gears wont last as long

Don't beleive that people fight the fish all the way to the surface. The fish is dead for the majority of the fight wouldnt you just hit a button if you could. Remember they're out there for a feed not for the sport of pulling in 30kg of dead weight.

You really are a noisy wanker. I guess this is just another thread you killed.

Every time somebody puts up post regarding electric reels,this will happen...

Each to their own,my opinion is just that,my opinion. It's doesn't mean it's right or wrong it's just how I think....and I don't try and force it on anybody else

This is how I see it

People use all sorts of ways to catch an kill fish. If you drag it up from 300m with a handline,normal reel or electric reel using the button or the handle all the same

End result dead fish..........

You can't tell me there is any sport in dragging a fish from that sort of depth,regardless of equipment used.It's not like you can catch and release.That's sport fishing. Yes people go out there to catch a feed which will take some pressure off the V5,and that has got to be a good thing

JUST MY OPINION

common sense at last and grayzeee get yourself a reefmaster or electric cause you will be waisting your time with your gear.

oh.

i was hoping to use my starlostix plastics rod with an ounce jig head.

Guys, please be respectful of others opinions.  I don't want to have to moderate your comments or lock up threads

Cheers,

Adam

Sometimes someone with a stupid aggresive opinion needs their big bad arse kicked a little.

Most users are very respectful and add to a conversation not slog it. Then there is the f$$%wit with his agenda that try and rob the topic and make a mountain out of the molehill.

Why not use it if your arms are sore etc. It is not something I would ever use but each to their own.

Neels

herring dont put up much resistance when I press the wind button. Some people say 80lb is overkill, but you never know when you'll run into that one big bull herring. Better to be prepared than left short.

. What is the difference between a large Alvey to catch herring and a electric reel to catch a wreck fish etc.

Neels

You have to remember that that amount of days that the weather lets you travel the 60/70 km offshore is limited. Add to that the particular current of the day may make fishing impossible.

This is not easy fishing. Your not just going to find huge lumps to fish on or big schools of fish on the sounder. Between every piece of ground that may hold a good fish there is miles of mud that is covered in greeneyed sharks. Let me tell you that winding up a full string of green eyes takes 15/20 minutes and very soon wears thin on the enjoyment.

If you have the time and the money to burn up over a 100 liters of juice everytime the rewards can be good but there has been many days I have come home busted with either 100oz of lead not being enough to hold bottom or just greeneyes stealing my bait

Electric reels are a big investment, along with a good sounder, for what in reality is  limited fishing time. Just like sambo jigging how many people make new expensive purchases just to be flogging them off after a year as they never use them.

Spot on Noha top post, agree with everything you said its definatly a different style of fishing and along with that comes the required gear to be used ....

I dont see how it is any different to running an Inter 50vsw and chair rod for bill fish or a Stella 20k ang a Power Spell 500 for doggies !!!!!

Cheers and ps for the record I use manual overheads for out deep deep .... but if I could pony up for the $1500 or so required for a good electric for a helping hand then I would ....

All the anti electric fishers out there just have a read of Noha's post and then tell me you want them outlawed. How very true Noha, it is hard work all round out there and most of the time for very little reward.

Catches are managed and restricted by bag limits. It shouldn't matter how you take your fish, just that you stick to the rules. Its a quota v gear restriction issue, and for mine, gear restrictions are a poor second. 

As has been touched on, you can get moralistic about targetting just about any species. I've only taken crays by hand on snorkel. People using snares and scuba, that's not sport. Those that set traps are barbarians, and if you pull your traps with a hauler, you are bordering on Satanic. Banning outboards would also go a long way to protecting those deeper areas.

I choose to fish light, and release a lot of fish. Plenty of people see that as being a lot worse than taking a catch as efficiently as possible and heading home. I can't see myself ever using an electric, but not long ago would not have contemplated setting a pot, but reckon I might get myself a couple for next season. Each to their own.

Isn't that totally the point Choongy. As long as you're fishing within the regulations, it shouldn't matter what gear you're using for it.



I know of at least one electric reel that hasn't left the owner's garage for probably going on two years now, so simply owning them isn't a problem =)

Somewhere,how about having a good discussion on the Do's and Do Knot's on deep water fishing,And any crew out there that doesn't agree you don't have to post.

hahaha good one ozzy

Noha, Choongy and many others are spot on!

As already mentioned before, its easy to make an opinion on electric reels like i did until I bought one. Each to their own re use but myself and many others i know use them for winding up your heavy rig with either empty hooks to re-baiti or for no touches etc. Its a long way back up so why not use technology like we all day everyday in fishing or in life. 

This manual (tedious) winding up/re-baiting and reconaisanse is what kills the enjoyment for me & others. The electric reel is grasping 2009 technology and helps nullafy the tedious stuff. Reconaisanse to find more spots was a big push for me to buy one, fishing smarter not harder

you been on the piss or what

?....typed it at work in a rush between customers but dont know where ya going with that one, U drinkin?....anyways!?!

I dunno that much on this topic, i havent been offshore that many times and i havent even seen an electric reel let alone use 1.
But realisticly, the reel is made and distributed for a reason, i say if one wants to buy one and use it, so be it. Some dont like it, so dont use nor buy it. Banning a reel type just coming from the opinions of a minority group is absoloute bs.
What are they going to ban or not let ppl sell heavy spools of line to make it harder to go deep? Its upto the customer purchasing the item on how they want to use it. I dont care if someone wants to use 100lb to skulldrag a bream from shore, if they wanna do it then fine.
But seriously trying to ban something that ppl have spent good honest money on isnt right in any matter. Maybe limit these reels allowed sold or imported to reduce the numbers using in the future, but dont ruin a way of fishing for guys that already use it. You can find other ways to fix something then to just penalise ppl that are using something they paid for. Its like weed smokers, its not legal, so why do they reserve the right for ppl to sell paraphanalia in shops to smoke up? At least if they didnt supply it legally, they would actually reduce the number of abusers even if it maybe a small amount. Its just an importing taxgrab.
But really, the majority of us are fishing as a hobby and not making money from so wtf, im sure theres other things to focus on. What about commercial longliners and such, you can say every fish caught is legal or not endangerd ever, because its not in anyones power to see the outcome before it happens. Fine, if its about endangered deep water species, then its stupid. I doubt anyone here goes out to catch and plate the endangered specifically. Its the spoils of the sport, which could happen with anything you do. I could drive and run over someone important accidently, what gonna ban cars? Not possible because you'd have too many against you to outlaw against. Because this isnt a law that would affect nationally or wider, they just wanna have a powertrip and do watever they feel coz they can.
But in retrospect, you never know what other authorities or anyone that could be leaning on the fisheries to impose this regulation. So who to blame... Dont know, so im not gonna blame anyone.
All i can say is, what is the damn point? All you'd get out of this is to piss alot of ppl off, we are the greatest majority of ppl that actually give a hoot about the water and anything in it, so in my opinion, you not suppose to piss the anglers off, but keep them on your side. You never know when you need guys on your side that actually care about the same thing that you do to support an action.

There has GOT be other things to waste resources on, how about actually doing something and get off their asses to sort out shorebased anglers doing the wrong... Nah, they only worry about things when its less efforts for them. Like, pay all the salaries to check buckets and walk alot? No bloody way. I reckon, you need to first uphold and manage regulations and laws before you move onto making new 1's that they wont be able to keep an eye on.
So doesnt seem like the point is to help the endangered but an extra way to make a few bucks more by infringing, Money grabbing bastards. Lets just let shore anglers diminish species before they do something... Really, it wouldnt only be the fisho to blame but the law enforcers not supporting their creation. If we wanted a fish but they not around because the guys looking after them arent doin it, why cant we sue the fisheries?

Its just a boat reel. Got boat? Wanna buy one? Go for it!
This debate goes too deep for anyone to fight about. There's too much to say for and against. Everyone entitled to an opinion to discuss the matter, but are they going to let the people vote the regulations? Doubt it very much. They occaionsially wanna see what ppl say becuase they have to, but they'll impose it anyway regardless.

My 2cents. Cheers

at least if i had an electric i could probably still fish at the moment lol

Ryan, got to ask,whats with the LFB boat on your avatar ? 

So why get a STELLA when an OKUMA will do.

Why buy a Blue rose when a Ugly stick will do.

Why buy a 25 foot Bertram when a 12 foot tinny will do.

EACH to their OWN. Have you guys seen what the brim boys are travelling around in just to catch a brim.

NOHA - 60/70km offshore and chew up a 100 litres of juice.... can we swap fuel consumption pls!!!
:-)

Interesting thread -i dont have an electric reel, am not opposed to it -but am surprised that so many are (not a criticism -an observation!)

Banning them wont change anything - we used to use a cordless drill with a rubber coupling -clips on to any reel handle (can get off ebay usa) to bring in our skirts that were trolled deep behind the wash - great for clearing a few lines when there is a fish on

 Epic thread dig.