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Plenty has been said on here about the woes of the FFC but i thought i'd try and spark a serious ( we'll see how long that lasts around here ) convo about the Dockers and where they are at etc etc.....
All the bad press seems to be about Freo, I guess Ross being at the helm for a few years now adds to that but they were never going to go very well this year....
If you look at the clubs below them on the ladder i dont see why there is so much heat on Freo....
Carlton won 2 games, their worst year in about 450 years
GC - They are proper fucked, they'll lose their best player and co capt this year and potentially their other capt next year - This is a big big problem for the comp and the AFL
St Kilda - WOW!! What a flop, they had less poke than Homers old man in the old folks home in Springfield.... Total failure, most had them playing finals - The good news for them is they have poached ( yes yet another Hawthorn ass coach ) in Brett Ratten so he might help Richardson save his job next year.
Bris - Apparently they had a stella year????? Yep sure Fagan has them playing a good brand and being in most games but they still won 3 less games than the dockers!!
Freo and Dogs finished with 8 wins.... The Dogs seemed to find something in the second half of the year and with a good couple of trades could be in the hunt again, still a quality young list with a good dude coaching them...
So back to Freo, I give them a pass for the season gone except for a few issues.
Ross bringing heat on himself and the club with whatever happened & the loss to Geelong was a big skid mark in their already semi soiled undies....
Going to be an interesting little period for Freo!!
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So I guess they're going to
So I guess they're going to have to rebuild..... wait what
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timboon
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Yep of course Andy but for
Yep of course Andy but for most clubs as i've pointed out above that aint a quick turn around....
A few clubs seem to bounce quickly but for most its a long slow road.
If Freo retain their youngsters, and can keep Neale with some decent trades they could be right back in it IMO
Jackfrost80
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Being serious now. What
Being serious now. What youngsters do they have? Ryan, Pearce, Langdon, Hamling and Wilson are all high quality. Brayshaw's going to be an out and out A grader but guys like Banfield, Blakely, Hughes et al are really just list plodders and Logue is an unknown but the backline is the least of their concerns.
White Hill is already cooked with soft tissue injuries at 28 and black Hill can't get on the park either along with Bennell and Sandilands. Sonny Walters is elite but needs to find form again and will. Fyfe and Neale are elite but with Neale going it's going to make Brayshaw's second year very, very hard as we know he doesn't like a physical presence.
Agree it's going to be a slow turnaroundand and a very painful one and of Freo members are already jumping off board it's going to be an exodus next year. I can't see anything other than a Melbourneesk rebuild for Freo.
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Dale
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I’ll agree with one thing there Jack, you are full of shit and have no real idea.
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Jackfrost80
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Care to put the personal
Care to put the personal cracks aside and enlighten me as to where I've missed the mark in your opinion?
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Dale
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Well you indicate Brayshaw doesn’t like a physical presence, well he’s made 76 tackles in his 17 games, so that would suggest he don’t mind some contact, unless that was a thinly veiled dig at him getting king hit.
Banfield is a plodder? Well for a first year player, he’s doing his role very well.
Connor Blakey, well we’ve had issues getting him on the park, but he’s starting to make the centre a good place for him, he doesn’t mind going hard.
Hughes, another who has trouble getting on the park, but his last game against the Pies was quite good. Get a good pre season into these guys and they will be good.
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NORUN NOFUN
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Chris bond, brad Lloyd are
Chris bond, brad Lloyd are going, Steve rosich should leave next year, actually Steve and Ross can hold hands and skip down the yellow brick road into the sunset come rd20'ish 2019 when we are 13, 14th again.
Freo are horrible to watch, that equates to less fans watching tv, going to the game, merchandise, memberships etc etc.
Cerra doesn't want to sign.
Neale wants to play in Brisbane.
2019 should be a clear out and just another wasted year for FFC.
timboon
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They sit somewhere like 4th
They sit somewhere like 4th on total attendances at home games No Run so people are still turning up to watch them in the West....
Cerra and Neale will be interesting and big losses if they go but this years draft is supposed to be one of the best crops ever, potentially you could snag 4 or 5 top 20 picks which sets them up for a tilt at the top in about 6 years if they can retain the talent....
I'd imagine to let Neale go you'll get Brissys top pick plus a player ( Starcevich name has been thrown out there ) So Pick 4 and a former first rnd pick who is a WA boy....
Not a bad swap for Neale....
So Ross goes who replaces him?
uncle
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Seems biggest problem
Is the ceo, please don't change him.
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ricey
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Their style is the problem
Freo is unwatchable.
I watch a lot of football, but when Freo is on I find myself walking away and doing odd jobs etc.
Fyfe is a superstar.... just misses goals.
their recruits this year are great.... but continue to mot have a consistent forward. Taberner might be the answer.
Ross is non-charismatic and contributes to off field drama, and stifles flair. He has failed to produce a team that consistently scores. Who wants to watch a team that goes a half without kicking a goal?
Eight wins is a reasonable return.... but they are miles away from being relevant and won’t be with Ross at the helm.
Fyfe would have won Brownlow if not for suspension and injury this year ... Neale played great... but won’t win a flag for Dockers...
Why are Freo not getting at least a McGovern or Lynch? Because they are uninspiring... who apart from Fyfe is soaking up the $$$ ?
i love Walters though.
Wise man says - first take the plank out of your own eye before trying to take the speck out of somebody else's.
timboon
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Its questionable as to why
Its questionable as to why they signed Bennell and you question how much, Ballantyne i can kinda understand...
You'd be mad paying overs for McGovern, he's good without being an A grader....
Lynch doesnt seem like the sort of bloke Freo should chase, sure he has Talent but Freo need blokes like Pavlich that are committed for the long haul...
Yep fucked if i know who would be soaking up the $$ there!!
$20 Bennell
$250 Sandi
$1000 Mundy
$500 Ballantyne
$60 Daniel Pearce
$50 Matera
$60 Kirsten
$60 Mcarthy
You can see above they are paying overs for some blokes....
Dale
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Where do you get those figures? They just aren’t available to anyone. What I can say, Freo have quite a war chest, and it will be bigger next year.
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Daneox
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I remember....
I remember that years ago there used to be salaries listed in The Record when you bought a copy at the game.
Do they still do that? I haven't bought one for ages.
Doc
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I’ve done 3 or 4 games this
I’ve done 3 or 4 games this year and don’t recall seeing it anywhere
Stickbait6
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I find the so called RE-BUILD
I find the so called RE-BUILD to be a bit of a joke and an excuse . Lets compare them with the Hawks ! Around the same time both teams lost a good chucnk of experienced players.
Now the Hawks have recruited some great players and are now in the the TOP 8 and are potiential flag contenders.
Correct player selection and player rentention is really important in a club. I find this is something Ross and the selector board have done really poorly. Not to mention Dockers havent had a decent experienced player come into the team for god knows how long. And who would want to , The whole point of playing is to get to the Grand Final otherwise what are we really playing for ?
I know I wouldnt want to come or stick around in a team that is playing B grade footy and not going anywhere.
You need experience to teach experience.
I find Ross Lyons game plan old defensive style footy at least 10 years old and teams know the plays they are gonig to commit,not to mention they are so slow and show a huge lack of confidence other teams pick up on this straight away and exploit them in every way possible.
The games Freo have played this year with absolutely no balls skills , Cant pick up without fumbles , kicking to opposition , the 100 million hand balls is a JOKE.
Ross doesnt beleive in his team and the team dont believe in themselves either. Belief and Conifidence in your fellow players and coach is everything. Your coach is there to Rev you up when you are playing shit get the head back in the game inspire confidence and ultimately come out for the win and your team mates alike.
I believe Ross basically got handed a constucted team when he became coach at St Kilda and then the same with Dockers. Literally he has show no signs of being able to coach or direct a decent team or to develop a decent style of playing.
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I agree with your comments on Lyon
I really believe that a coaches influence takes time to mature. The team will play the brand drummed into them, and the coach will transition their style one way or another over time. By way of example, I reckon my wife could coach Richmond for the next 4 weeks and they'll still win games...their style is already ingrained in them
NORUN NOFUN
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Hey Timboon, attendances may
Hey Timboon, attendances may seem pretty good now, but the now is not the worrying stat, without a turn around, numbers will go down, I cant be the only one who refuses to watch the garbage that is dished up each week.
This time next year, numbers will be down and Freo will have no growth, it will be a shit fight once again.( just a prediction )
Good clubs have their shit sorted, at this stage Freo is not a good club.
As for the new coach and this is a wish list, I really like Blake Carracella or of that similar mould.
Freo fans are being conditioned to think that the status quo is acceptable.
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FreWoe
Being objective (and a Cats Member) there are serious issues apart from the list.
One long term issue is the defensive focus. It's one thing to shut other teams down (something they don't do so well these days) but goals win the game. How many wins have Freo had in the last 5 years when scoring over 100 points? Even in dry conditions they lack an offense that scores regularly.
Structures appear to have gone and now see the better players dumping the ball (for it to simply come back over their heads)
Departmentally, Ross should have been piffed years ago, this is obvious but the rumours from the old heads within the club have told me that there are personality issues within the leadership groupnof players.
The list now will suffer as the game style appears directionless, who would want to join that? Finding new (and seasoned) players will be very difficult particularly if Neale leaves.
Either way, Go The Cats :)
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I’m with you there brother,
I’m with you there brother, go Cats
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One thing that I think is a
One thing that I think is a problem is when Fyfe isn’t playing the midfield seem to work better as a team. When he is there they tend to stand back and watch him do the work.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
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Freo have decent players but
Freo have decent players but poor management and coaches. The others around them saints gold coast etc just dont have enough decent players. I think freo can easily bounce back but need a rebuild in the coaches box and remove rosich who seems satisfied with average performances
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News coming out now that Cerra has signed a 2 year deal, keeping him at Freo until 2021
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I think freos game plan is
I think freos game plan is there biggest downfall yes they have ok defencive stratigies.but when they get approached while trying to attack it seems they fall back into the old hot potato rutine that they have had for years
rather be fishing
timboon
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That is very very timely and
That is very very timely and good news for a club that needed it.....
Well done to the young man, pisses me off when clubs show faith in these youngsters then they bugger off....
timboon
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Well unless he went to the
Well unless he went to the Hawks of course
Dale
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Bondy out, Belly in. Happy with that move.
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Watch This Space
Freo will put him on minimum wage and fire him because he's too slow and too short and he'll end up going to another club and help them win a couple of flags at which point Freo will pay overs to hire him back when they could have had him for nothing all along and still not taste success.
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timboon
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Belly in as? That is a
Belly in as?
That is a desperado move where Peter B has jumped in for damage control but good on him he is a beauty....
Dale
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For what ever Bond was, football manager or whatever it was.
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timboon
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I heard some interesting
I heard some interesting goss yesterday,
It seems when Woosha re-signed at the Bombers his manager ( Reg someone or other ) contacted Rositch at Freo to tongue in cheek ask how long he advises Woosha to sign on at the Bombers for....
Basically saying will you be ready to fuck off Ross and bring Woosha across in a couple of years...
Woosha would certainly be a good fit at Freo, straight away he'd bring some respect back.......
Watch this space i guess....
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Just my opinion but why
Just my opinion but why would he bother, he's got the Bombers going along very nicely.
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Billcollector
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Thought you would have used
Thought you would have used all that good shit up whilst on holiday Boon... How about Guy McKenna, got shafted at gc and had a bit of time under woosha?
Jackfrost80
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Why not the human tan
Why not the human tan himself, the plough, the one and only Terry Wallace? If anything, at least the pressers at the end of games will be worth watching.
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timboon
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Well Andy i'm guessing
Well Andy i'm guessing Woosha likes a challenge especially being the bloke putting his hand up to take the Bombers on add to that he's a WA lad and further more he's not getting very much coin at the Bombers...
There would be several players at that club on higher pay packet than he'd be on, I'm sure the Dockers would throw some serious coin at him to get him to take over there...
Makes sense to me for both parties.....
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I hear you mate, but I
I hear you mate, but I reckon he knows there's more to it than the coin. I'm sure he's not short of a quid and would rather see a flag in the next 2-3 years than a 20 year rebuild lol. I reckon though he's deffo theman for the job as I say done wonders at the Bombers.
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timboon
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Yeah perhaps but the reality
Yeah perhaps but the reality is sure the Bombers ( who remembering aren't playing finals ) are potentially in a flag window may be no closer next year....
I dont think they have too many A graders on their list and maybe the challenge of getting a team going is more appealing than having a middle of the pack team having a half arsed effort year after year....
Remembering who finished in the 8 this year, one of those sides has to fall before another comes in and i see all the top 8 as being stronger than the Bombers next year...
ChrisG
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Why is this thread so
Why is this thread so long?
its Freo who gives a shit
Jackfrost80
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Lol. It's about 10x longer
Lol. It's about 10x longer than their list of achievements
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Sounds like a concerted effort
To shut down haggers on 882 this morning.
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How was savage old mate
How was savage old mate talking about Haggers at Sth Perth cricket club. No love lost there
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Hagdorn is just a prick, had the audacity to say Freo would rig the Doig medal so Neale wouldn’t win it and more recently said Cerra only signed because he got a good money contract, but Hagdorn is hated at Freo and they would not disclose Cerra contract even if he asked.
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Hahahaha
Haggers is a dead set flog.
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Finally! Something we can all
Finally! Something we can all agree on this season.
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