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Submitted by Ahpuka on Mon, 2013-05-27 15:04
Caught off coral bay, 70m
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Submitted by Ahpuka on Mon, 2013-05-27 15:04
Caught off coral bay, 70m
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Sammy the Salmon
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Looks like the bigger ocean
Looks like the bigger ocean mangrove jack?
carnarvonite
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Jack
Mangrove jack, they grow heaps bigger than that one the further you go north.
Rig
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jack
My mate caught one a bit bigger than that at quobba a couple of years ago landbased, was a surprise, I hed to check if it was a red bass
Leemo
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one of the boys from work
one of the boys from work got one from the whistle about a month ago
bludgin' since 94'
Rig
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jack
after reading further down the page I went back and looked at the photo of the jack I had and it is definately a different fish to this one, The jack seems rounder and has a different shoulder to this species
Vinesh87
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Yeh jack, they go offshore
Yeh jack, they go offshore to spawn!
AlwaysFishin
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Seriously, why are people
Seriously, why are people still posting pics of dead fish asking for an id?
Adam Gallash
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hmm
Probably because if its red its dead and regardless of what it was, biggest red fish to be sized is 40cm so he's a keeper. But yes, get your point.
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GT_Fish335
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Because I can't see anyone
Because I can't see anyone posting a pic of it alive while out fishing, holding it in a live tank waiting for an answer, which could take a while when you have to filter though comments like these.
I disagree.
Jayden20
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hmmm ill keep it anyways
hmmm ill keep it anyways
clogwog
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I would have kept it, and I
I would have kept it, and I am sure all the current tree huggers who love judging people
who take fish and ask for an ID have at some point of there fishing life taken a fish without
full knowing what it was. That fish looks edible just looking at it.
I am not saying to take every unknown fish but come on, every time someone asks for an ID some
wally pipes up and says why keep it. If you are so into saving fish dont fish then!!! Or even
better when you get that stonking 10 year old snapper put it back because hey it took 10
years to get that big. What a Joke!!!!
Gotta say that it's lucky you didn't put it back as I rate Mangrove Jack as 1 of my top five eating fish,
bloody beautiful.
beau
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Not all of us fish to put
Not all of us fish to put food on the table mate
fisherking
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agreed
agreed
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scottnofish
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so what then you just fish
to cause fish harm by sticking a hook in its mouth pulling it out of the water for nothing more than satisfiying your own ego . catch and release fishos are really starting to shit me
AlwaysFishin
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It's called fun mate. A
It's called fun mate. A hobby. Nothing to do with egos, but yes it is satisfying catching a fish, getting a quick pic, a measurement and then watching it swim off. Necking a fish with intent to eat it, then after the deed stopping to ask what fish it is, surely you must admit there is something not right about it.
I'm not a tree hugger or a greenie, but common sense and fishing ethics says to me that I wouldn't keep a fish if I don't know what it is.
beau
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You better get used to it
You better get used to it because sport fishing for fun is becoming more and more popular
dodgy
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Right up there if you bleed
Right up there if you bleed them and ice them down straight away.
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AlwaysFishin
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You are an idiot. Supporting
You are an idiot. Supporting keeping fish because 'it looks edible just looking at it'. What if it is undersized? What if it is included in a bag limit? What if it just tastes like shit?
There is nothing wrong with keeping fish to eat, I do it all the time. BUT I only take what I need and nothing more and I never take a fish if I can't identify it.
In regards to your snapper comment, just last week I caught and released my pb snapper with a length of 91cm and weighing 10kg.
Jayden20
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chinamen fish look pretty
chinamen fish look pretty darn good....but not everyone knows they get ciguterra...may not be for us westerners but it is over east...makes us "tree huggers " anoyed when you take sonething and dont no what it is.....doesnt pay to assume some times
Daniel Y
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I agree, that fish does look
I agree, that fish does "look" edible.IF you had a reasonable idea of what protected species looked like, then you would probably come to the conclusion that it wasn't protected, and being 70cm long is going to be above the minimum size of nearly all fish in the size limit guide (bar a few pelagics, but it clearly isn't a pelagic). In general I don't agree with people keeping what they don't know, but in this case I can see why you would, particulalry if you've had a bad day with not much else on the bite.
"If you are so into saving fish dont fish then!!! Or even
better when you get that stonking 10 year old snapper put it back because hey it took 10
years to get that big. What a Joke!!!!"
This comment I don't agree with though. Mate, the main reason for releasing big fish (and one of the reasons that there are max size limits on a number of fish) is because they generally have an exponentially higher fecundity (number of eggs) than smaller adults in the population. For example, a female Lutjanidae (tropical snappers - the family which mangrove jacks are in) of 600mm, can produce up to 200x as many eggs as a 410mm adult.
clogwog
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Mate, you clearly dont take
Mate, you clearly dont take critism well, All I am saying is that it is becoming a joke that as soon as someone
asks for an ID someone like yourself jumps down there throat. Fuck you should be a saint mate as it sounds
that you never do anything wrong.
Personally I have a very good knowlege of fish, I keep a fish indentification booklet on my boat, I never take over
my limit, And finally I am far from being an idiot!!! I also do not keep fish that I can't identify, the differnce between you
and I is I dont jump down other peoples throat for taking a fish. Fuck maybe fisheries should look at making us sit an exam on
fish identification and charge us for it just too keep people like you happy.
Mate are you really that concerned over 1 fish being taken that the guy wasn't sure about. Its a big ocean mate!!!
Redemperor000
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issue
the issue is that this has been happening quite often on the site in the last month or two.
Leemo
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It's just one of those
It's just one of those things mate.
What if someone keeps a chinaman caught in FNQ? im sure he would want to know NOT to eat it!
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AlwaysFishin
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Mate I didn't jump down
Mate I didn't jump down anyone's throat for asking for a simple id. The fact is the fish is most likely dead and eaten already. Too bad if it was poisonous. Then it would be a different story. I never said I was a saint but the legal, health and moral issues that keeping an unidentified fish opens up is enough to start asking the question 'why'?
maxxeman
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I warned you ADAM!
I warned you ADAM!
Super peg
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faaarrk felllas,thought
faaarrk felllas,
thought fishing was supposed to be a relaxing thing,
take a chill pill the lot of yas!
good fish there mate, i would b stoked
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randall df223
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"Like"
"Like"
Fish! HARD!
Redbucket
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Agreed
Agreed
barneyboy
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its a saddletail
thats what we called them in th entee anyway. And yep you can eat em and yep they are nice and yep I did kill 3 redfin and leave them on the bank for the crows to eat!!
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
barneyboy
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and the funny thing is
up until this part of the post every one of you would have kept it thinking it was a mangrove jack
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
Yewiefish85
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Dark tailed sea perch
Dark tailed sea perch, not sure how to cut and paste on my I pad but it's on the first page of the fish Id guide below the jack, bloody good eating too
marble
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Definitely not a jack ,
Definitely not a jack , saddletail, darktail perch, pretty good on the plate.
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CURT
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Disagree
I don't think it's a jack or a saddle tail, I would say it's a marone sea perch (not sure). No one can Identify it 100% but I'm sure most of us would have kept it assuming its obviously some kind of seaperch, snapper being good size and eating
pricey10
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It's looks like a really
It's looks like a really large Moses perch, well same shape but slightly diffent colour. I would of kept it as well red=tasty!
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Jacko
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I have always known them as a
I have always known them as a Saddle Tail. Good on the chew.
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Ahpuka
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Well fuckin sorry I asked
Well fuckin sorry I asked. Thanks to all the comments from the normal fisherman on this site. We caught and kept it thinking that it was a jack then later started to doubt it. Could be a perch, bass, etc.. which is why I thought ill post it hoping somebody will know for sure.
To all who bitched & criticised about keeping a fish – Get a fuckin life. I’ve just joined this site thinking it was a FISHING site and hopping for some local knowledge and advise, only to find its half full of wankers having a go at people catching fish. Cant wait to post my next dead fish
Redbucket
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well said, hope you stick
well said, hope you stick around mate.
GT_Fish335
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Hahah, good work bud. Keep
Hahah, good work bud. Keep them pics coming.
I disagree.
Brucesta
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i'm sticking with a Mangrove
i'm sticking with a Mangrove Jack, saddle tail go a lot lighter in colour when dead and the orage/rust tint of colour around the head with that slight marbling effect tells me a jack also, at 70cm a saddletail would have a serious dark patch on that top of the tail.
As a few have said, if it's over 50cm in the north and it's red, it's DEAD!!! all good eating!
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clogwog
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Agree, well said Adam, don't
Agree, well said Adam, don't be put off mate as there are heaps of guys on here
with great knowlege to share.
The best part about asking for an id on that fish is that you have educated over 800
readers of this post what that fish was, and it is sure to help people make an informed decision
on keeping fish they catch.
beau
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So what fish is it again?
So what fish is it again?
Leemo
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spangled marone snappers
spangled marone snappers
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Super peg
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Yep I learnt a thing or two
Yep I learnt a thing or two about red fish up north haha so I appreciate the time you took to post and querie ,cheers Adam
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while freezing, sweating, swatting and swearing.
dant
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Stick around Adam - alot of
Stick around Adam - alot of great blokes on the site that are more than happy to share some information to the new guys. cant thank the guys enough on here for the tips.
you have been just a tad unlucky with the timing of this post as there has been alot of discussion and confusion when ppl have been posting limited info when it comes to Fish ID, as most fellahs do the right thing there is always a valid story behind it, just ensure you post the full story so readers dont get the wrong idea.
Anyway back to the fishing - im fkn pumped for the long wk end, bring on Jurien.
Adam Gallash
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Dant
Dant is onto it. You got a bit unlucky with your timing Adam, the posting of dead fish for ID purposes has been going on for a while. The ol, if you are unsure what it was, then how do you know you weren't breaking the law when you killed it? Always a tough one, but because the guys have seen it so often, the education component has gone out the window and the agro has crept in. Don't take it personally mate.
As for the fish, I'd go for dark tailed sea perch due to the head shape and features. The distinguishing identification would be the small white edge inside the caudal fin (tail) which has just been cut off in this picture so you can't tell. Maybe Glenn our expert might be able to shed some light, I will send him an email.
Cheers,
Adam
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Rob H
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Stick around mate!ID for
Stick around mate!
ID for fish-colour is the last identifying feature especially if its dead
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The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
bitten
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pretty sure its a sadlle tail
pretty sure its a saddle tail caught plenty of them when i was professionally fishing, have caught sea going jacks and they dont look like that having said that the ones i have caught have been 7 - 10 kg
Glenn Moore
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Darktail Snapper
At the risk of bringing this thread up to the top again.... Adam G. asked me to take a look a this one. I am pretty sure that this is a Darktail Snapper Lutjanus lemniscatus. I'm basing this on general shape, particularly the snout profile. It is quite red for a darktail, but it's not uncommon for them to be red. I also come to that ID by elimination. Saddletail Snapper L. malabaricus have a slightly different head shape and the eyes would be lower down from the snout profile. Mangrove Jack L. argentimaculatus have dark scale centres, where this fish does not. I also asked my interstate colleagues and there was some debate, but the general consensus was the same as me - L. lemniscatus.
In saying that, without the specimen in hand there will always be some uncertainty.
Cheers
Glenn
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Chris fish
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We got one the same as this
We got one the same as this land based off dirk hartog island. Has us stumped as to what It was to and went back.
always looking for a new challenge!!
sea-kem
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I'm putting this down as
I'm putting this down as fish ID thread of the year.
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Lamby
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Lol - ID'd as ID thread of
Lol - ID'd as ID thread of the year, phuck I had a chuckle at some of the responses on here
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Ahpuka
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thanks to all
Wow, this fish started more shit on this site then it did at camp the day we got it. I knew it wasn’t a jack so dark tail snapper sounds good enough to me. Thanks to all (even the nob heads) who put the effort into trying to ID this fish, it was very entertaining.