More crab plunderers caught
Submitted by meglodon on Fri, 2016-04-29 16:45
Fisheries have caught more people plundering the local stocks of crabs.
Mandurah Mail reports on page 3 that a trio will face court next month, messes Mingyin Ng, Ming Fe Wu and Duncan Sun have been caught by Fisheries doing the wrong thing.
It will be interesting to see just what they were up to when they appear in court again on the 20th of may.
Well done Fisheries keep up the score rate and maybe just maybe the message will get through to these bastards.
Scaly Man Fish
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Good work
Second that
Jackfrost80
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Seriously. Why don't
Seriously. Why don't fisheries start some serious racial profiling in Mandurah?
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Krusty
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I think we all have a fair
I think we all have a fair idea what the results would be there !!
My fishing spots are so secret........... even the fish don't know where they are !!
mark64
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licence
still gets me why land based don't need a licence.you get your brochures and rules in the mail then theres no excuse,break the rules and get a monster fine.$50 a year recreational fishing and crabbing,if you cant afford that you probably cant afford a rod ,a scoop or petrol
mark64
Fish or Die
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$50? What are you after an
$50? What are you after an elite club of land based fishermen and women that's more than the boat licence. But I agree with a licence for land based fishing to improve education on rules and funding to enforce them
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Jackfrost80
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You reckon these pieces of
You reckon these pieces of shit don't know they can't catch baby blue manner crabs? Read the numerous articles of those caught and most of them tried to evade fisheries or hide their catches.
I run a child car restraint education program and I specifically target CaLD groups in Mirrabooka that focuses on both an education component, a personal responsibility for the safety of your child component and knowing the laws and the penalties component. It is a fact that immigrants/refugees have a very low rate of child car restraint use and it is not racist to target these groups specifically and I do it through existing migrant groups and community leaders/groups in the Mirrabooka area where there is a high concentration of both CaLD population and services.
What fisheries/recfishwest need to do is a targetted education program aimed solely at those groups that are the repeat offenders. Why should I have to pay yet another licence fee because low life kents who want to rape the ocean. Better yet, raise the fines and give fisheries the power to confiscate their vehicle they used to drive down and catch said crabs and sell it to pay for the program.
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sphere
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Forgive my ignorance but
Forgive my ignorance but what is CaLD?
Alan James
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Culturally and linguistically diverse
Willlo
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uncle
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Crab paste
On bread !
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Jim
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How about fresh crab caviar?
How about fresh crab caviar?
Bend over
mark64
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ok $25.00 (half a carton)
ok $25.00 (half a carton)
mark64
meglodon
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I have to agree with Jack
I think fisheries have a quite reasonable education plan going, if you look at all the literature they put out on catching crabs it always (at least all that I've seen) has a foreign language section explaining the rules, it's in Vietnamese I think and in some cases multiply languages.
The language that is universal to all cultures residing in Australia is the financial hit language.
A severe fine is quickly broadcast across all cultures by word of mouth, which as we all know is a very rapid way of making things known.
With a fine in the region of $5 - 10K with little time granted to pay would have a very dramatic effect on the piece of excrement doing such massive harm to these resources.
Heavy handed yes unquestionably so, but hey I want my grand kids and their kids to enjoy the summer evenings like I do and my parents did catching crabs in the Mandurah estuary.
Come in from wading put the pot on the gas boil up the catch and with fresh bread from the local bakery enjoy crabs, bread & butter and what ever beverage takes your fancy and watch the sun set.
It's part of our way of life, and our enjoyment of it.
We need to do all that is necessary to preserve it.
Pezdog
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Volunteer Fisheries Officers
Ok maybe a bit far fetched, but is their any way that volunteer enforcement officers could be brought in? Maybe a day/week course or something and the volunteer can be equipped to be able to fine offenders?
I see it all too often. Usually I just let the offender know I saw a fisheries officer in the carpark, further down the jetty or nearby and they almost always release their undersize crabs, fish etc. But to be able to legitamately educate or even fine an offender would be more beneficial to the system.
I'm not sure if the volunteer thing would work but surely worth debate?
meglodon
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Brochures and pamphlets
Even if they attend popular fishing spots (ammo jetty etc) and hand out the latest brochures and pamphlets.
This would let people know that their actions are being observed.
Madmerv
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Volunteers they have
Not sure if they still do it but fisheries used to have volunteers working with them.
Years ago on opening day of the cray season fisheries pulled up to us off Rotto just as i surfaced from a dive. Bloke jumped aboard our boat to check the catch in my bag, which is fine by me. Had a few crays and a couple of fish in there so started to pull out the fish. First one out was a decent queen snapper, well over size, and bloke commented "thats a nice snapper". All good. Second fish from the bag was a 60cm, or so, Dhuie. Bloke said "Nice fish, what type is it" ??? Both my mate and myself at the same time said "Show us some ID"
Turns out he was a volunteer helping out for the day. As Pezdog mentioned an education course would have to be a prerequisite to having someone with fisheries powers handing out fines.
Sometimes when the water is quiet, you can hear the fish laughing at you !
Dale
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VFLO
I used to be a VFLO down south, use to enjoy going into the schools etc but felt we were banging our heads against the wall trying to educate others.
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carnarvonite
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Education
You can only educate those who want to learn and there are those who know but pretend not to know.
Most of those caught with excess and undersize fish and crabs know the rules but still continue to flout the rules in the hope of not getting caught
meglodon
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Oh so true
Sadly that is a very true statement when you just casually ask groups how are they going in a friendly manner you can very quickly ascertain if there is anything shonky going on.
Mum will quickly head for shore with the catch bucket and anything else said from then on is "no understand" not all behave like this but a fair proportion do.
petermac
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true true true
my wife is thai , first time i took her fishing she was keen to keep all the under size stuff but i wouldnt let her, but they are the sweetest she argued , to bad love they go back in , 17 years later every time she reads in the paper some one has been done for undersize fish or crabs she says they will be asian , education dosnt work huge fines do they get a message through
mark64
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pretty sure
you will not educate the sort of people that do the raping they are interested in one thing only getting something for free, if I have to have a boat licence why should someone be able to go to steep point fish the cliffs take 20kgs of fillets home or a feed of crabs or squid or tailer not trying to rile people up but seems to be a goose and gander thing
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joe amato
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why is it so hard not to licence everybody landbased aswel imo
why is it so hard to licence every body land based aswel eg a licence that covers all types of fishing,plus educate everybody that comes here to live,regardless of background,pensioners plus people under 15 free,this way the goverment/fisheries will be able to employ,plus reinforce the rules,lots of these new immigrants have to get sponcerd to work here, plus learn english to get a citizenship,if they ignore our rules culture etc send them back,,,,,,,,,,,,,
sea-kem
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It's not just immigrants who
It's not just immigrants who flout the rules mate, plenty of our senior citz were the main cuplprits for Crayfish infringements this year. Nup don't like the race card you play and surprised with surname like yours I'm sure your parents or grandparents were immgrants too. Bigger and harder infrigements are what is required and confiscation for all offences too. Everyone should have a big stick shaken at them regardless of race.
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Shimka
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Go sit your arse down on
Go sit your arse down on Claremont jetty for a few hours one night in summer & watch what is going on, then try to tell me that race isn't a factor. There's plenty of immigrants that do the right thing but there's even more of them that don't & clearly know they are breaking the rules. Burying your head in the sand in the name of political correctness is just stupid. Call a spade a spade & if a few people get offended, F$#K EM. It's called reality. On your high horse telling off somebody you think is a 2nd or 3rd gen immigrant is just idiocy. That would just mean he's in a better position than you to call it like it is. I agree everyone needs the big stick treatment, but seriously grow a brain & wake up to reality instead of burying your head in the sand because your worried a few peoples feelings might get hurt.
sea-kem
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Typical bogun, uneducated ,
Typical bogun, uneducated , moronic response I'd expect from you. You know there are quite a few Asian guys on this site who probably feel like shit with the comments you and a few others post. Go back in your hole chump.
By the way I'm all for throwing the book at people who break the rules knowingly, like I said , if you can get it through your thick skull all races and ages and whatever break the rules.
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Shimka
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1st time I've ever posted
1st time I've ever posted anything about anybodys race at all, so you can quit acting as if I post things like this all the time. Uneducated? I wonder if that's why I was always top of every class I ever took through high school. Bogan, I doubt that very much but so what if I was? Are you the shallow person that judges a book by it's cover? That's almost the same as being a racist.
I never said you weren't for throwing the book at everybody, in fact I supported that view in my first post. What I said is your PC attitude is exactly what will get nothing done because your more worried about hurting a few feelings than actually getting anything done.
Profiling, racial or otherwise is used every single day by many people, from cops pulling over P platers to doctors treating diseases. There's nothing racist about it, it's just dealing with reality & not being worried about offending a few people.
PS: My wife is Japanese & I've got two kids with her. I must be a real racist POS mustn't I?
Take your head out the sand & stop thinking you know anything about me. Your clueless.
sea-kem
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The thing I don't fucking
The thing I don't fucking like is this whole send them back from where they came from attitude. That's my point.
your wife is Asian so that gives you licence to make racist comments, good on you!
You are only ever on here to stir shit, when was the last time you posted something positive like a fishing report?
Yep you're right I don't know anything about and for that I'm glad.
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Shimka
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I didn't say send them back
I didn't say send them back to where they came from, I just support the view of targeting those that are known to do the wrong thing. I didn't say anything racist, if you skewed what I said so it was racist, I feel sorry for you that you need to do that to make yourself feel superior. Go have a look through my posting history, sure I like to stir the pot from time to time but most of my comments are actually offering advice on locations, tackle & tactics to help people catch more fish. As usual you think your say is the be all & end all of everything. It's not, your just being a clown.
Now that's enough back & forth between us, it's accomplishing nothing. Let's settle for the fact that we have different views & move on.
dano83
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Well said seakem
petermac
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your correct
think some 70 year old bloke was busted up at juriun last year with undersize crays and over his quota and pulling pots that werent his , he was an aussie , i did have a chuckle when i read he was hand pulling his pots but must have been doing it for years to be able to do that still at his age
D_d_001
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One licence to fish
One licence to fish
I'm all for a licence to land base fish but not ANOTHER licence. One licence that covers "fishing"
boat
SW fresh water
WRL
Abalone
net
marron
land.
how many F%$^ licences do we need ???
maybe an online questionnaire before or when renewing a licence to make sure you know the basics.
At least a "I have read and understood the terms and conditions of the licence I am about to receive"
grantarctic1
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The licence
The licence used to be affordable for all before all the new regulations came in place
Each category was about $20 each. I used to buy the whole licence each year for $87 even if I didn't fish for all the species.
Then the greedy government got involved and people (like myself ) started only getting the ones they needed.
Yes a flat fee for an all round fishing licence would be great thing, as people would then receive all the information ( in any language requested ) for all the categories of fishing.
As for comments of volunteer officers, it didn't work because they had no actual authority and it became dangerous for them on certain occasions. And personally I saw quite a few incidents of them taking fish home for them selves because someone had gone over their bag limit. My first encounter with a VFO while abalone fishing saw him try to sell me a Smokey while he was putting bags of abalone in the boot of his car that had been taken from another fisher. This highlighted, as untrained volunteer's they can be prone to mistakes in advise and also corruption.
Most of the money from our licences goes to the government instead of having more fisheries officers. IMO only the presence of more fisheries will ever help with this problem.
mark64
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agreed one licence and you
agreed one licence and you pay your 'speciefied activities'
mark64
duncan61
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culture
If I went to there country I would learn the rules.They just dont care.I used to go to England to visit my Children and happily bought a day licence and paid a small fee to coarse fish the local lakes.
just do it.
meglodon
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I think the one licence covers all is good
With concessions for under 16 years and pensioners. A 100 bucks (as an example) or so might not badly affect most people, however there are a lot of senior people to whom a 100 bucks is a decent hit when they may only go crabbing a couple of times a year, and surely society can make allowances for these people by way of a concession.
This has the benefit of 10 crabs per licence, no licence no crabs it is still a harsh change on something that has forever been free.
Crabbing accounts for a lot of tourists coming down to Mandurah for a pleasant afternoons crabbing.
little johnny
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Lol
Well done ( Fisheries) really . Pmsl . Licence won't stop nothing. 5 year ban from any crab fishing would. ( undersized or well over limit). Far out really.
Walfootrot
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Bleeding harts, do the crime
Bleeding harts, do the crime do the time, throw the book at them if they take protected, undersize or over the limit. this bullshit that don't know the law is crap.
So, say my son went cray fishing, used 3 pots, got 20 crays. at the ramp fisheries check him. no lic, exceeding 8 crays by 12, using 1 to many pots etc. If my son didn't know that he needed a lic and the rules and regs etc, fisheries would throw the book at him, no ifs or buts. so why should anyone get away with it?
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
meglodon
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No one should get away with blatantly breaking the law
I think those who blatantly break the fishing regulations should be prosecuted in accordance with the requirements of the act and not get namby pamby fines .
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little johnny
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Bad thing is
Goes on price off what they get caught with . Crabs low price hence people weigh up options. 5 year ban Plus fine. May do more damage, and make them think twice. Also dob in a fisherman , they should be rewarded for there call.50% of fine goes to them . Leave name and number and collect $$$$ lol. May not waste time of fisheries officers :):):):)
Rob H
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In principal one licence for
In principal one licence for everything is great but...
Problem with one licence for everything, is suddenly a non fisher has to pay to take the grandkids down the wharf and hook a blowy, just one time and it cuts out a whole raft of casual fishing beginners who dont have an experienced regular licenced fisher to take them.
Then the tackle shops cant sell a $15 kiddie rod without telling the kind uncle/aunt looking for a pressie that they need to buy the kid a licence to use it-EVERY YEAR, even once.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Jackfrost80
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Shorebased fishing is off
Shorebased fishing is off limits. Period!
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
carnarvonite
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Off limits
Shore based fishing is off limits, looks great coming from someone who has a boat as his signature photo
Like hundreds of others I started as a jetty rat on the Bunbury jetty and it wasn't until some 20 years later that I owned a boat but that still doesn't stop me liking or participating in shore based fishing so why should it be banned for all
Not every owns a boat or is in a postion to fish from one
tadpole
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Think he's means off limits
Think he's means off limits to licenses. Not fishing. I hope
Jackfrost80
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Haha, talk about going off
Haha, talk about going off half cocked... untwist those knickers champ and let me start again. Shore based fishing is part of the ingrained culture of Australia and it is my belief that is off limits to any form of restriction through fees or licences.
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
Subaquatic
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Sweet! That should get the
Sweet! That should get the Abalone numbers back up! ;-) lol
Jackfrost80
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Can't say I would call prying
Can't say I would call prying a shell off a rock with a screwdriver 'fishing'
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