Nebbian1 ( snell try this)
Submitted by little johnny on Thu, 2018-03-22 07:08
Have tag just above first hook. Grab other end of leader make a circle going from back of hook facing down. Grab top of your leader ( circle you made)wind down on shank of hook. Bit off spit pull tight.2 nd hook put in place where you want it. Grab end of tag make circle facing tag end downwards. Again get top of circle( leader) again wind down shank and pull tight. This is strongest I have found . Never comes undone. Line tightening on line. Your way has tag looping over . They tend to give way. Snell in picture can have cuts on loops and still hold
z00m
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Snell
Johnny, a little hard to follow. Is the picture below the same as what you are describing?
z00m
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Or this one
Or is it like this one? I just tied both of these and this knot seems to come out more like yours.
little johnny
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Unsure
I just do it. Don't think about it. Done:). Sorry for crap explanation. I was taught this way , just trying to show another snell,when there was no eyes on hooks (bronze hooks) flattend end ,that was it. Never ever gives way
sunshine
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Yup, exactly how I tie them
But I have seen hooks with really sharp edges when the eye of the hook is finished (or more correctly unfinished ) Meant to add that an offset eye is much better than a straight one
Jackfrost80
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Thanks lads. I tie it with
Thanks lads. I tie it with the tag end looping over and worry about the stress on the knot. Those diagrams make the under tag end look fairly simple... until I try it
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
Faulkner Family
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def worth a try. looks to be
def worth a try. looks to be a better one with the straight eye
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
sunshine
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Bottom one of the two pictured
With an offset eye hook, the first pinches the tag end and can lead to earlier failure imo
little johnny
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Circles
Straight eyes. ( not offset eye).Always go in from front .when you pull ( not strike) it rolls correct way. Hold hook in hand try it . makes sence ,Beak hooks from back.( strikeing)
Scotte
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Johnny I got to second step
Johnny I got to second step no problems but third step completely lost lol
little johnny
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Yep I'm crap
:). I can do it with eyes closed. But can't explain. Lol dumb ass.
nebbian1
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Well I'll be! That
Well I'll be!
That actually worked, and is easy to do! Looks a lot better than my version.
Who knew that there were so many ways to do a snell knot? Now I'll have to redo the 7 rigs I did last night ha ha.
I went fishing yesterday with a rig that used 100 lb braid, with my own unscientific teeth tests I found that 100 lb braid is impossible to bite through, while 60 lb mono is possible. However the braid is quite visible in the water.
Thanks so much Little Johnny, I really appreciate it!
little johnny
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Very neat
Pulled tight. Won't give way. Good luck
sunshine
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Nice neat knot
Exactly as it should be !
nebbian1
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Hmmmmmmm.... I tried a rig
Hmmmmmmm....
I tried a rig with that setup at lunchtime today, got hit by something big, and guess what? Got bitten off again!!!
That was with 100 lb Black Magic tough trace, the knot suggested above, top hook (where it broke) was a Mustad 4/0 Octopus circle. Drag wouldn't have been more than 5 kg, I could pull it out by hand. The line where it broke had a lengthwise cut on it, possibly caused by where the hook eye joins onto itself? This is different to the other failures, the line previously was obviously breaking at the hook-most portion of the knot, whereas I'm not entirely sure where it broke this time.
This is getting pretty old. What's left to try? Wire trace? Different hooks?
Ryan C
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snells
i am amazed by this , any of the options in decent leader would not be snapping? you must be getting bitten off by something? got me stumped unless your using 20lb leader?
sunshine
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Sorry but if that is 100lb leader
I would seriously doubt the knot would be that neat on a 4/0 hook.....I think the leader is much lighter than you believe
nebbian1
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It's possibly the hook that
It's possibly the hook that caused the leader to fail this time.
beau
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Ive used the black magic
Ive used the black magic leader in 40lb and broke off in random places mid fight,I dont use it anymore
little johnny
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Game fishing beau
:). 130 lb black magic. Never lets go unless shark gets it.
Jim
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You might be getting busted
You might be getting busted off on a sharp ledge? Ive flung salmon up the rocks like a poled tuna with 100lb leader. I dont think its the line....youll have to tell me where your spot is for better info....wink wink.
Bend over
nebbian1
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Update: it's the hooks.
I have done lots of tests on this, and after looking closely at lots of hooks and the line after tying a hook on, it's almost certainly the hook.
As others have said, some hooks have a sharp edge in the gap where the end of the hook loops back on itself. I didn't think that the gap was that bad, but it's obviously cutting a slice into the line (observed after tying a knot and looking closely at the line).
It turns out that the Mustad hooks I was using cause this nick, while Gamakatsu 6/0 circles don't cause a nick.
So the moral of the story is: don't use snells on larger Mustad Octopus Circle hooks.
sea-kem
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Yep I use stainless 10/0
Yep I use stainless 10/0 offset circles on some of my rigs up north and noticed they had an extremely sharp edge on the return. spent an hour with flap disc taking that edge off all of them. The smaller 7/0's in the same style hook were not a problem.
Love the West!
little johnny
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I have used mustard circles
No dramas. Secret is do Knott tighten knott. Last thing is poke through eye.
aaasnapper
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Snells breaking at knot
I have been experincing the exact same issue of the snell breaking at the eye with minimal pressure. I use a knotless snell on 5/0 gamakatsu octopus hooks using 40lb black magic trace and never seem to have an issue in the past.
It seems the sharp edge in the gap where the end of the hook loops back on itself is the issue and no matter what snell you use it will breaked in this location.
Curious to see if anyone else has experienced this type of failure and what you have done to mitigate?
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sea-kem
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As per my comment above, we
As per my comment above, we used a grinder to smooth out the burs and no probs since
Love the West!
Pete F
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Little Jonny I have been
Little Jonny I have been tying that way since my granfather taught me knee high to a grass hopper and never found a better knot yet.
Agree need to tie the knot first.... pull up tight... then poke through the eye. But only with an offset eye, don't worry about it with a straight one. Never have them fail at the hook eye and use all sorts of brands and sizes.
Cheers
little johnny
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Yeah I got taught
Through first pro in rocko . Bronzed hooks , no eyes . Just flattened eye . It grips to anything. I’ve had a couple where they have snapped top rig . But it’s always been on big double headers . I put it down to fish fighting against other fish . Have come across burs also . I use tiny file . Most of time bur on inside of eye