New map reveals extent of angler lockout proposals
You owe it to yourself to check this out...
Keep Australia Fishing has been keeping Australia’s recreational fishers informed about the ‘Biggest Aussie Angler Lock Out’ that the Labor Government, supported by the Greens and anti-fishing lobby groups are wanting to be implemented through the Commonwealth Marine Park process. The proposed Marine Park LockOuts will see Aussie Anglers locked out of over 1.3 million square kilometres of our seas – and so far the Labor Government has not told us any reason why they need to do this!
You have been asking us whether there are further plans to LOCK Aussie anglers OUT of our seas? Have the ‘LOCKOUT’ Flood Gates Been Opened?
The ANSWER IS YES!
The attached indicative map was assembled from the Government’s proposed Marine Park plans as well as Marine Reserve proposals from environmental groups. The map shows proposed areas of marine reserves where recreational fishing would potentially be banned. The Labor Government has now set the precedent that Aussie Anglers will be banned from all future Marine National Parks – and again – they have not told us why we need to be banned. Diving, large scale tourism, cargo and bulk carriers and defense activities will still be allowed in these areas. Does a recreational fisher really pose a greater risk to the marine environment than these activities? We don’t think so.
If implemented these anti–fishing proposals would see major impacts on YOUR RIGHTS to go fishing – in fact it's hard to see a state or a region where your fishing rights would not be severely eroded.
And there is no need for this. There is no reason why recreational fishers need to be banned from vast areas of marine parks to have a world leading marine reserve system. There is no science to support these LOCKOUTS.
We are calling on all Candidates and Political Parties to support our call for an independent comprehensive scientific review of the Marine park process. Let's see what’s really behind the ‘Lock Outs’ and build a Marine reserve system based on science - not politics.
We need your Help to get our message to Political parties and to show YOUR Fishing Rights Matter.
It’s obvious that many politicians just don’t want to listen. However, you can help us make them listen and take notice by reminding them that there are 5 million recreational fishers in Australia and WE FISH and WE VOTE.
We have less than 26 days to make a difference, but we need to SPEAK UP!
Share this message far and wide. Forward this message to all your family, friends, fishing mates, work colleagues, next-door neighbour and anyone else you think might be interested.
big john
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Krudd
A vote for Krudd's mob (labour or greens) is a vote for this.
I'll be voting SFP, Scottywiper what's the vibe in Wangler land?
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scottywiper
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BJ...the feeling is that we
BJ...the feeling is that we should do our best to ensure vocal pro marine parker Melisse Parke does not get re-elected on September 7.
We are thinking we'll tow boats to polling booths in her constituency and hand out flyers about what a vote for Parke means to all recreational fishers.
All volunteers accepted...time to make ourselves heard!
big john
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Excellent
Sounds like a good plan.
With this marine parks debacle its hard to fathom how a pro marine parker could get re-elected in the predominantly fishing based seat of Fremantle.
Just gotta get the word out somehow to all the anglers in the electorate, unfortunately there's plenty of green sympathisers in Freo as well.
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psion
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Holy crap
thats excessive, and these a/holes were voted in?
Man they need to go, and quickly
scottywiper
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https://www.facebook.com/Keep
https://www.facebook.com/KeepAustraliaFishing
scottywiper
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Just to be clear, this map
Just to be clear, this map was collated, with a lot of time and effort, from submissions and claims made by green groups during the planning process.
All the information that was used to compile it was publically available.
Tradewind
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SFP is the way to go Please
SFP is the way to go
Please consider giving your senate vote to them.
It's not just about the lock out zones but having power to stop the ever tightening restrictions on 4WDing on beaches and ever stricter firearms/hunting policies.
I don't think a lot of the pollies have ever had a recreational past-time a lot of Australians do, so how could they understand.
big john
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TheJettyRat
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Yet another reason to vote
Yet another reason to vote for the budgie smuggler.
catch.fish
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Ouch
Kinda hard to tell as the map isn't very high res but are they proposing a complete fishing lockout of the montebello islands along with the entire west side of exmouth out from tantabiddi? Wow!
pricey10
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That's what I was thinking
That's what I was thinking to? That will hurt exmouth! I can't quite tell with the picture tho
Karratha. WA
scottywiper
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Copy of the article in
There is an article in today's The Australian on it...can't seem to get the copy of it to come up...
scottywiper
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It's up on the Halco FB
It's up on the Halco FB page.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Halco-Tackle/214668231899079
scottywiper
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re the story that appeared in
re the story that appeared in The Australian, apparently a senior PEW lobbyist rang the author, dismayed about the timing of it during at a very sensitive time in the election campaign. The author simply asked if any of the information was incorrect. After the PEW lobbyist conceded that the information was correct, the journo then queried exactly what they were complaining about.
Justin M
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Fark me...that is just
Fark me...that is just ridiculous. SFP has my vote without a doubt.
big john
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Cut and paste
Cut and paste it on to your facebook pages, the greens map went down like a lead balloon on the Kununurra Community Noticeboard. Spread the word as far as you can.
Get farked PEW! This is Australia, not your personal dreamland.
Hopefully Tony will get in and destroy the greens in the process.
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TorquenFish
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Shared on my FB. Fuck you
Shared on my FB. Fuck you Greens and Labor.
Tradewind
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I'm not a liberal fan myself,
I'm not a liberal fan myself, not that i'm loving labor over the past few years, but Libs announced Greens are going to the bottom of their prefs
It's a good start and the Greens are starting to look like they're going to be shrunk to a hopefully very small minority
Good idea about sharing the Picture on FB, going to do the same myself right now
baders
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Vote for whoever you want in
Vote for whoever you want in the House of Reps (well, Libs are putting Greens LAST in preferences), but for goodness sake, vote Shooters and Fishers party in the Senate. This may have been posted here before, but I believe it requires re-airing. Rick Mazza inugural speech;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re1fh4VRFFs
Tradewind
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Thanks Baders Great speech
Thanks Baders
Great speech showing he's a reasonable man saying what we all feel about Government blanket and unreasonable bans/restrictions
DhuBoi
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This shit just makes me sick.
This shit just makes me sick. They let anyone in the country to do what they fkin please give them everything they want . THey were goig to let a Huge trawler come in and do what it wants to OUR fishing grounds, but plan to keep all us hard working Aussies out of our own fishing grounds. Labor n greens are a bunch of delusional fck-wits .
living is fishing
Tradewind
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The Super Trawler, love
The Super Trawler, love it
"We're only taking the small fish Australians don't eat"
What do you think the big fish we like to eat feed off?
cuthbad
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And which way did the
And which way did the Liberals vote on banning the super trawler?
big john
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Greens unhappy
Boo farking hoo.
www.fishingworld.com.au/news/green-groups-angry-about-lock-out-map
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roberta
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So fellas
does this mean the professionals will be able to fish in the areas of red, is it just a lock out for amatuers or both.
As I see it if they lock us out the amauter they have to lock out the professionals as well, which includes all professional fisher-people.
I get so angry when I see the pro fisherman here in Leeman coming in with a massive haul of dhuie's snapper etc in the 2month ban we as amatuers have to have, sick to my stomach when the scientists say its the peak breeding time for dhuie's, snapper, yet professionals are allowed to catch in our two month ban.
We heard a rumour up here yesterday (Saturday) that next years Cray season the Pro's are allowed to catch crayfish with HAIRS, now this is a rumour (came from a pro via another person) but if these so called Pro's do this, aren't they killing their own industry for future years, where the hell is Fisheries logic in this.
Saw a cray boat last week (22/8) bring in 9 crates of crays not bad for their extended season when the cray per kg is hovering around $79 a kg the last we heard. Sorry for venting but getting so pissed off when all these regulations for amatuers for now and maybe the future when 95% of us do the right thing, either get our quoter or under, happy with a couple of fish and come home, release undersize fish to fight another day.
Feel like when we go fishing to just bring in more than our quote of 1 dhuie, so sick of the amatuer being targed all the time but our luck ruddy Fisheries would be sitting waiting at the ramp hahahaha.
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Rob H
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Roberta-with all due respect...
I don't know how many times I have read your posts with "we heard a rumour" and "somebody told me about...)
1/ the 2 month closure-isn't the peak breeding time, December January was pinpointed by scientists but no one would have stood for a closure over that period of holidays.
EDIT-from Fisheries website http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Species/WA-Dhufish/Pages/default.aspx
"Spawning (release of sperm and eggs) occurs from November to April with a peak period in January and February when water temperatures are elevated"
Similar with Baldies hence the closure at the Abrolhos over January
2/ drop liners took their hit long before the State Gov went into Rec Fishers. This is well documented by Fisheries and if I remember correctly has been posted on here before for your benefit?
3/ Setose crays-why not go looking for any sort of solid info about these sort of changes rather than listening to (possibly) bitter old people telling stories around the washing machines at the caravan park? I have never heard, read or got any sign from my many crayfishing friends that any has ever considered wanting to keep setose crays.
Pain in the ass sorting them yes though.
Sorry to say but most people sat around chuckling when the drop liners/crayfishos were copping it (including Western Angler) then when it was Recs time to take their medicine started squeeling unfair (including Western Angler writing a editorial "commercial and rec should band together"-I wrote Scott Coghlan a letter along the lines-bit late now don't you think?)
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roberta
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Rob I don't put up
many posts with "Heard a rumour," (for the simple reason because of your reply, like a lot of us on here I hardly log in or contribute because of comments, fish caught or downing of comments, I could have a lot of say but thats peoples opinion and so be it) the rumour I heard came from a pro that is still catching crays (7boxes the other day & my friend is his decky) and delighted to say I don't live in the caravan park doing my washing with bitter old folk or should I say listening to old wives tales or inuendos. Living in a crayfishing town you do here a lot more and could let you know quite a bit but then as you say I'd only be spreading rumours without facts (which come from the horses mouth not its ass) hmmmm We shall wait and see.
Couldn't believe that one cray boat is out today with all the thunder and massive lighting strikes around here till about 2.30pm when we drove home to our house in Leeman.
I think we all could have told Fisheries that the first three months in the year January to late March all the fish that my hubbie has caught since he started fishing here in the 1980's here in Leeman had roe even whiskery sharks, why then didn't Fisheries listen to the experts or should I say the Fisheries Minister?
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Rob H
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they didn't listen to the
they didn't listen to the experts because it was a political decision. To keep the Greens happy something had to be seen to be done.
To keep the voters happy bringing a ban over the full school/Christmas holidays would have been political suicide.
Im sorry if you think my reply was harsh (and maybe it was) but I have been on both sides of the fence (and live in a crayfishing town) and can tell you that of the many commercial fishermen I know still fishing, not one of them is a rogue, dodgy character or out to rape and pillage or bend the rules.
They are hard working family men who want to pass their multi generational businesses onto their sons. There has been huge upheaval in their businesses and shuffling of goalposts.
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scottywiper
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Gday Rob,There is no doubt it
Gday Rob,
There is no doubt it is important to have both healthy commercial and recreational fishing industries, and I think we should work together against a common foe. But at the same time it is also important to recognise that it is two very different ways of accessing the resource. I may be wrong, as I can't remember everything I say (!) but I can't recall ever suggesting anything different, I've always felt both sectors are perfectly valid as long as they are managed well. Indeed, I find the whole us against them mentality very counter productive and pointless.
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Scotty-it wasn't in reference
Scotty-it wasn't in reference to anything you wrote, it was in reference to other stuff posted above
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little johnny
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roberta
all pro cray guys have got weight rates now,pros still working (crays) have chosen not to fill there quota(weight)early in season,smart thinking ,they are getting top dollar now,plus another bonus is they wont have to take the gear out ,no soaking there pots..they throw thousands back each week only keeping a certain size ,(best priced ones).another bonus the deckies still get a wage for most the year,i dont really agree with season open all year ,but its there living.totall agree in regards to fishing ,should be all out on demersals(breeding times) .this year will be cracker on crays .thousands of reds in real close already.
roberta
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Little Johnny
yes I know their season has been exteneded to October, apparently a lot of them here only started fishing towards the end of the season (original), yes it makes good business sense but my gut feeling is eventually it will kill their industries or their quota will be cut via Fisheries and the excuse will be from Fisheries is they over fished, time will tell.
We don't put our pots out so if people think I'm being bitter about the pros with their extended season sure have it wrong as its cheaper for us to buy them off a cray boat here, (yes you can do it if the cray boat captian is the owner), far less in costs than if we went out every day with 4 pots in the water. You should see the hulls on their boats, full of scum, that wouldn't be helping their fuel economy. Most of the deckies here are on wages, thats coming from the horses mouth.
Sounds like you divers will be getting a bumper haul this year.
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Rob H
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to allay your fears
Roberta, the TAC (Total Allowable Catch) is from memory now about 50% of the average over the last 20 years for crays.
Any danger is going to be environmental rather than the one you are considering.
I was under the impression (could be wrong?) that they could only sell to a licenced processor? Don't they have to put a seal on all baskets before hitting land?
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roberta
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I think what you
say is true from what I heard and seen, (tourists trying to buy when they come in to relieve their catch) but some crayfisherman keep some for their own personnel use, maybe thats why I can buy them raw. Think its only boats that have a working skipper that don't own the boat, that can't sell them or it maybe law, as up here a lot of the crayfisherman own their boats think its about 8, live in the town 11months of the year, I could be wrong to. Then the town swells to about 25boats (less the last couple of years), have a lot of crayfisherman that come up from Freo, Bunbury Carnarvon, Geraldton, chasing the whites, then all of a sudden a lot disappear for the season at the Big Bank, which I think that season has been shortened as well.
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Ambiance
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Tony Abbott
Tony is going to overturn all Burkes bad work so if you fish you know how to vote.
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Interesting Development
www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/26/marine-life-fishing-coalition-review
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hezzy
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Roberta your rumour is true
Roberta
your rumour is true . there has been a proposal put forward by the commercial sector [rock lobster] to be allowed to target and take setose and tar spot lobster into the future under their TAC as well as the year long season they have now been granted
as far as im aware it was put to fisheries earlier this year , common sense you would think would have it knocked back , however im not aware if an outcome has been decided on it at present
the rock lobster fleet have had it tough in the last few years , but hey before that it was pretty good , self discipline should have been urged by their own industry to set some realistic sustainable practices in place at least as far back as 2000
most lost their entitlement to take wet/scale fish , as again it was overkill on the stock , biggest reason you are generally seeing good amounts of inshore scale fish is because of this removal of entitlement from rock lobster boats imho
as for the commercials being hit first in regards to scale fish ?? their review and reductions came only after about 12 long years of strong resistance on on their part , it was also only done after they had been consistently overfishing /taking their yearly TAC ,deliberatly doing so for many years to allow a bigger share per licence holder when the actual reductions came into affect their cuts where long overdue
im not anti pro , but the facts if you do the reading tell the story quite clearly on how the lack of early action by DOF &their own industry bodies allowed the industry to become to big and too efficient
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roberta
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Hezzy thanks
as my "Rumour," came from the horses mouth, a pro that has fished the waters of Leeman for many a year and not the sort of fella to spread rumours.
I'm not anti pro either as we all have to make a living but honestly from what we've heard and read, I think the Lobster industry is in grave danger and actually thru Fisheries are going to kill their own industry, then I wonder who will yell the loudest?
But I have always said the mighty $$$$$$$$ always rears its ugly head.
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Rob H
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where did you get that info
where did you get that info from Hezzy?
Id be amazed and disappointed if it were true, as it would immediately violate one of the main principals of the MSC Certification of the Fishery. The loss of this would immediately close the door on export to many countries.
The industry worked very hard to attain and keep that Certification.
However, Im not sure about down C zone way but the A & B zone fisherman I know have had no problem at all catching their quota in abundance so Id have no idea why they would want to?
In fact at the Abrolhos you rarely see a boat setting pots inside the shallows at the Southern Group anymore and I see crays walking at night in ankle deep water where Id never seen them before in 4 seasons working there at same island 15 years ago.
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hezzy
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rob as im one of the
rob
as im one of the recreational rock lobster reference group it was in a draft form as part of a proposed WRL management plan fisheries where working on & we where asked to comment &make reccomendations on it & other proposals from june this year
hezzy
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Rob H
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who proposed it and why
who proposed it and why though, or is it just in the draft because it is already a part of the management plan being reviewed?
Id just be astonished that WAFIC would jeopardize the MSC Cert when there are so many crays around that its not even an issue
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hezzy
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just looking for another
just looking for another thread when i found this one as well
and yep its happened , roberta was spot on with her ''rumour ''
WAFIC got to take setose crays as part of the management plan into the future
hezzy
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