Nissan to pull pin on diesel
Submitted by Deckie on Thu, 2018-05-10 20:11
Looks like this may trend to Australia. Can't see it happening for a while, but it could be on the cards.
What are your thoughts ?????
https://mr4x4.com.au/nissan-pulled-pin-diesel/
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dodgy
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Wouldn’t be surprised if the
Wouldn’t be surprised if the new landcruiser coming has a petrol/hybrid system.
The consumer still wants diesel though.
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Deckie
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Toyota
Toyota were talking about it a few months ago, not sure if they will continue with it.
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Shark1
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rumours in victoria 3-4
rumours in victoria 3-4 years ago was the closure of Ford and Holden factories were because of the introduction of electrics
neither companies were willing to spend $ on a new car -talk was electrics only by 2022
i couldnt see that happening and laughed asking what about regional users -farmers etc
this seems to be another development pointing that way
Mulie
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I'm pretty sure they'll
I'm pretty sure they'll still keep the Renault and Cummins diesels for other markets though.
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Stefan
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Mitsubishi have already said
Mitsubishi have already said they're likely to down the plug in hybrid road with the Pajero. That is if they don’t drop it all together. Hope they don't cos I'm one of their fans.
Diesel is being killed off in the UK, Germany, California, China and a I'd imagine the EU and Japan would follow soon enough. Given the EU and Californian emission standards are the ones manufacturers follow when building vehicles, it’s only a matter of time before hybrid 4x4’s hit the market.
I was one of those who used to think there's no alternative to diesel for road transport, farming machinery and 4x4 but that’s not true anymore. Trains, ships and mining equipment have run gas/diesel motors with electric drives for decades and they’re just miniaturising the technology. You get more torque and more control with an electric motor at each wheel. The engine runs at the most efficient rpm to produce the electricity and you cut out a heap of moving parts from the driveline. It’s going to be great when it happens.
resurgence
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For passenger cars
Diesel looks to be a dead end for passenger cars, considering the problems dealing with particulates and the efficiency of hybrid petrol/electrics. Diesel will certainly continue for commercial vehicles for the foreseeable future.
Diesel/electric drive trains (based on DC technology) in mining equipment is a well established technology, although it has advantages and disadvantages versus mechanical drive. In the last ten years or so AC drives have started to emerge and seem to be taking over.
ranmar850
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The 4x4 consumer only wants diesel in Australia
We really are a tiny market in global 4WD. Not worth spending any real money on. Why do you think the new Patrol wagon released a few years back was petrol only? And why the Toyota FJ was the same? Take out the US market for the big Cummins in their big trucks, and the purely commercial market, and diesel demand is small. We may love'em in Oz, but we really don't count for much.
pelagicyachts
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rumour was the new 300 series
rumour was the new 300 series is petrol only - diesel being phased out in Europe so makes sense I guess.....
with modern autos you can get your fuel efficiency out of a petrol if you through enough money at it - 8-10 speed autos will be the norm - Merc already has a 9 speed I think?
Mulie
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Apparently the petrol 3.5l
Apparently the petrol 3.5l tt v6 mated to a 10 speed auto in the F150 uses the same or less fuel than the 200 series diesel. The F150 predominantly aluminium and 400kg lighter than the 200 as well.
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ranmar850
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That would be the Ecoboost
yes, they are certainly getting good numbers on them. I don't know if they will ever be available in Australia, though, unless Ford plan to import them the replace the falcon ute?
Oldbull
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need to do a comparison over
need to do a comparison over say 5 years of diesel v petrol in Dollars per 100Km driven. Take in purchase price, resale, servicing costs, Fuel (generally about 15-20c per L more expensive for diesel in metro). I know a couple that bought a new v8 Patrol after doing their homework. Purchase price and servicing costs made the biggest difference. Cost difference over 5 years buys a heap of petrol when the difference (diesel getting better economy v higher price per litre) between fuels is about $10 per 100k cheaper for diesel. But we would just spend that on tackle and boats
No doubt this has been done to death so apologies for bringing it up again (and I drive a diesel 100 series)
holth
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My new 2017 LC200 is Petrol.
My new 2017 LC200 is Petrol. Just spent 6k on mods and lm still 4k under the best price l could get on a new LC200 diesel. Getting 14s city driving and it's got power on tap. Previously owned a diesel so l knew of common issues.
Percula
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whats the towing figures
whats the towing figures like and is there plenty of power towing?
Love my petrol prado, but just not enough power when towing.
holth
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Plenty of power. Just did
Plenty of power. Just did Exmouth towing. Locked in S5 averaged 23s and that was with a very heavy foot. They love to rev. It puts a smile on the dial every time lm behind the wheel.
Stevo81
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That’s pretty good, what
That’s pretty good, what weight were you towing?
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if you watch american car
if you watch american car shows, diesel engines will become smaller in size with bigger or twin turbos. the new navara is a good example of this
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Emmisions
heard awhile back that the manufacturers are at the design end of what they can do with diesels and can't meet projected emission controls but newer technology in petrol engines have bought them back into not preference over diesels before we head into battery vehicles and boats
Mulie
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Makes you wonder what ever
Makes you wonder what ever happened to the hydrogen powered car movement?
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meglodon
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Exactly
This is the power fuel for the future.
resurgence
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Unlikely
It has plenty of its own issues.
The big advantage of electric vehicles is that once the infrastructure is built, the energy can come from any source.
ranmar850
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And then there was the other rumour about Nissan...
That they were considering fitting a 5 litre V-8 Cummins diesel( that they apparently fit to the Titan?) in the ozzie Patrol. Never happened, just too small a market. Just do what Holth did...
https://m.drive.com.au/motor-news/cummins-pursuing-diesel-power-for-nissan-patrol-20150113-12mstl.html that got the Patrol boys excited, but then it was "..but then we'll have to pay Toyota prices" :-)
Dale
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Just go find a clapped out patrol or cruiser for the right price and go down to Brunswick Diesels.
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dodgy
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25 grand for a very old
25 grand for a very old school conversion. Those figures don’t add up these days.
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Mulie
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Cummins ISF 3.8 is the go
Cummins ISF 3.8 is the go now. 25k will get you 165kw, 700nm and 8.5l/100km with new suspension and an Alison 6speed.
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D_d_001
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See a place in the US are
See a place in the US are doing "Add on" inline (1 extra) turbos to the standard 2.8l colorado (or what ever they call them over there) and getting 195KW and 550Nm At the Wheels . the extra turbo also has the effect of lowering ETGs
And for only a few grand as well
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Ok if this is going to
Ok if this is going to happen are the new hybrid motors going to have the same torque as diesel . Atm i think diesel in most cases woyld win hands down. Also you gotta look at the prices per ltr will diesel get more expencive when phased out of passenger vehicles. Look what happened to lpg
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Deckie
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Gone
Talking to a guy at Caltex a few months ago, says they won't be selling LPG the middle of 2019.....
Coult it go the same way ???
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Vinesh87
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Not unless they swap all the
Not unless they swap all the trucks to petrol haha
dodgy
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I see Tesla was trialling a
I see Tesla was trialling a electric semi. Specs looked good until they loaded it up and could only do 200km between charges. More technology breakthroughs in battery storage required.
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Vinesh87
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Agreed Electric will be the
Agreed Electric will be the way to go. In about 10 years when they have better storage! And more efficient panels!
ranmar850
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Big diesel rigs are remarkably efficient
If you look at the weight they are moving per litre fuel used over long distances, they murder all our "fuel efficient" diesel fourbies. As for LPG, that market has been diminishing for some time now. I did a conversion on an XR6 ute some years ago, when the government was handing out subsidies. Up front, cost me some $900 IIRC. I'd planned on keeping it for a long time, then the pressure went on from the family to go camping again after an absence of some years , so I sold it. I got my out of pocket back on fuel savings in the 18 months I ran it, plus a bit extra on resale--but it was a bit gutless, I'd sometimes flick the switch to petrol when overtaking. The factory fitted Falcons were different apparently, hard to pick the difference. But ford sixes always did well on LPG, as proved by taxis--Ford V-8's did not. Nor petrol Patrols. Gas injection in diesels was all the rage for a while, but you don't seem to hear much about it now. Not suited to modern common-rails, perhaps?