Norms fishing tax,,the affect on you and family .
Submitted by Shorty on Fri, 2009-07-03 14:35
Just wondering what its going to cost you and your family personally?
Seems it will cost me $180 to put the kayak in and fish , did someone mention something about crabbing fees ,not sure,,but add that if so.
Being single i have got off lightly,,if i paid it i will be spending less in the retail sector (tackle,camping stores etc)
How about your family ? I heard one figure of over $700 to put a line in so far.
milsey
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Me $150 Brother $150 Dad
Me $150
Brother $150
Dad $150
Grandad $150
Uncle $150
Mum $150
=$900
plus additional charges for crays, abolonie, ect and this is excluding my cosins, gf and friends who come out sometimes so big changes
Andy Mac
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add another $30 each to fish from a boat
$150 is just for demersals
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milsey
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yer i know, if this includes
yer i know, if this includes fish such as king george and BA then thats 90% of our fishing and we therfor all need demersal licenses. we only do herring and whiting fishing from the dinghy and that isnt very often.
Andy Mac
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Family of 4
$540 per annum provided I do not go crayfishing, marroning etc.
Minimum will be $210 if the wife and kids only catch whiting and herring.
Edited as I forgot the kids under 16 get half price, shame the eldest turns 16 in January.
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Stevef
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The way I read it, if the
The way I read it, if the wife 2 kids and I head out from quinns and catch a dozen herring a couple of squid, then in reality I can claim to be the sole fisher and as such only 1 x $30 licence is required. If we catch more than a single bag limit then 2 licences are required.... and so on.
In reality my cost would be
$30 boat licence for me
$15 boat licence for kid one
$150 Demersal licence for me
$75 Demersal licence for kid one
Total $265.................. and good luck in getting a deckie
just dhu it
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COSTINGS
Wont this be a huge undertaking from the fisheries dept,who cant supply enough staff just to check fish quantitys people are catching per day at present let alone start checking who's got the correct licence in each boat, call me cynical, but wont there be three guys in a boat with one demersal licence and he's the one who caught them all ?
Iam all for paying for a licence of a reasonable amountof $$ for a year to cover department and research costs by why doesnt every one in the state abide by the same rule
hlokk
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Wont affect me massively, I
Wont affect me massively, I spend much more on fishing gear a year. If anything, maybe i'll get more deckie spots if other people cant pay the fees. However, the fees are absolutely ridiculous, there should never have to be a question to anyone about whether they afford it or not.
The fact that people even have to ask this question illustrates the problems with the suggested licenses.
Its just a thinnly veiled attempt to price people out of offshore fishing. Thats the only way the proposed fees can have an effect on demersal catches.
Stevef
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Its just a thinnly veiled
Its just a thinnly veiled attempt to price people out of offshore fishing.
Dont think it was even thinly veiled Matt. Norman Moore stated on radio that the purpose of the fees was to stop people from going fishing. The price pressure is a central plank to the strategy
Steve
hlokk
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Pretty obvious that thats
Pretty obvious that thats what it is, but often the 'official line' will state something else even if its very obvious its not, so i'm surprised he came out and directly said it. Putting it in the first press release would have been interesting, but thats never going to happen.
till
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Ouch, I thought it was
Ouch, I thought it was $150PA for the boat and then each fisger needed a $30 license.
Rodrat
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Bullshit!
$30 gets ya a herring or a whiting!
FISH FOR THE FUTURE
flash as
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??????
What if you catch and return every thing?????
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Shorty
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I return 90% of my catch
I return 90% of my catch ,,,,
hlokk
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Maybe they only care about
Maybe they only care about us returning cash?
uncle
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fees
it can only be a cash grab,otherwise they would decease what we catch and achive the same thing,but of course no cash!!!
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scottscurious
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in my household there is 6
in my household there is 6 people. 5 of us go out often. then there is my sister and her husband and ive also got another brother that doent live with us. and my gf who practally lives here. and we take out her old man every now and then... so that will be 10 x $30 then add on for demersals
Adam Gallash
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my household
Coz im up north I dont have the demersal, but for a couple its:
$60 boat fee
$90 cray fee
$45 netting fee
So about $200. Be interesting to see what the tally equates to just from this site!! Neverlone the thousands of anglers out there.
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uncle
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to hard
Bugger,I think I'll go up to the islands with big John and put it on the backbuner
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diff
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what a load of shit once
what a load of shit once again they make it for the rich if its not one thing its another close the season a bit longer or introduce farms dont close our FREEDOM to fish were not all made of money
roberta
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Well it will cost Bob & I
$30 x 2 $60
$150 x 2 $300
Cray not renewing next season .. something has to go, even though we are on the pension, we've decided not to catch crays as we can buy them off of a cray boat in Leeman and when we worked it out, its cheaper to buy off a pro than catch them ourselves, especially when you can get over size for $10 each.
So we up are for $360 ... 50% discount for pensioners so it will cost us $180 for 12 months which should read 10 months as with the 2 month Ban.
We are lucky that we have the pension, but really feel for the families that have to pay full price or if we were working have to pay $360 to fish maybe 2 months on and off for the year, because when you work you've really only got holiday time, long-weekends and maybe some weekend weather permitting to fish.
I also feel that the RST will become a annual fee also, just a gut feeling
Ginger Tablets Rock
Blackbetty-50
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Bull Shit Tax
If Norman Moore wanted to reduce the catch by Recreational fishermen by 50% as he stated he could have cut the bag limits to 1 Dhu fish per person and cap this to 4 per boat if that boat was carrying 4 or more fisher people. He is not serious about Protecting these 5 vulnerable fish species, unless the two months ban from Black Point to just North of Kalbarri each year covers all of the fishing industry, Professionals with their nets and long lines, Charter Boat operators as well as the Recreational fisher persons. He just wants to introduce more STATE TAXES. The $30.00 fishing licence is acceptable but the rest is just a greedy grubby under handed tax grab !!!!! How is this stupidity going to be policed ?? and when is the next election ??
callum
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do i
does this dermersal licence mean if i was to go out on a mates boat i would need to have a licence >?
happy fishing
Shorty
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If you are targeting
If you are targeting Dermesals the answer is Yes.
On Edit > When do you turn 16 ?
callum
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feb
february
not to happy, about this
happy fishing
crewsy72
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Refund
If u pay for a days fishing and due to weather or other reasons u dont go out, do u then get a refund??
Faulkner Family
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for us to do our regular
for us to do our regular days out we would be looking at $720 thats $180 pp . not cheap at all but the more you go out the cheaper each trip gets, Sandy and I just might have to leave the kids at home when we go after the demersals and just pay the $30 for each of them, then we can afford the fuel
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
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Juts me and Jesse $270 i
Juts me and Jesse $270 i guess the deckies will be just taken the pics and baiting the hooks,
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Dreamweaver
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$60.00 for Sandra and I
As I fish in the South Coast Bioregion (Albany), I'm not affected by the $150.00 pa WCB Demersal Scale Fish(ing) issue. Apparently such targetted, under pressure fish species don't exist down here and therefore no research is required.
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Faulkner Family
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you cheapskate
Just pay the $150 extra just so it wont give you a guilt trip when the rest of us pay up
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Dreamweaver
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Hey Russ!
I have a plan - you lot can come down here and I'll discount the $150.00 to a $140.00 rental fee for accomodation!
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HuggyB
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it depends
I may have to curtail my fishing activities somewhat unless they have a reasonably priced blanket license:
boat:$30
demersal:$150
freshwater:$45
marron:$45
cray:$45
abalone:$45
$360 for me alone at this stage. I'll pay it if I have to, but I think its fairly steep. I'm thinking about re-newing my license early ($87) to avoid the price increases.
EDIT: I have just read that they have phased out umbrella licenses, so its $45 a pop regardless. With the changes coming in "mid October" looks like I'll be renewing my current umbrella license to give myself at least a year reprieve. $87 v $180 for a license - its a fair price hike given the other costs they have burdened us boat anglers with.
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Blank Cheque
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Boat fishing x
Boat fishing x 2 $60
Demersal x 2 $300
Total = $360
Now to Crayfish from what I have read the $ 45 licence will cover the $30 ea boat fishing licence Quote (unless the activity is covered by one of the separate licences also held eg Rec rock lobster)
Is this correct??
IMO If this is so, we would benefit from the $ 45 fee at the start of the year and also Cray fish. And if Mum and little brother chose to come fishing pay the extra $60.Can they prove they were fishing for demersal species if you come home inside the bag limit for two??
Its a little late to head home early
roberta
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I don't think they can as long as you are within your
legal bag limit for two people.
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saltatrix
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Now to Crayfish from what I
Now to Crayfish from what I have read the $ 45 licence will cover the $30 ea boat fishing licence Quote (unless the activity is covered by one of the separate licences also held eg Rec rock lobster)
So in effect if you were a Lobster only fisher you are paying $75 now for a Lobster licence?
Im sure there will be some say that its cheap for what your going to get but if a licence is involved then make the boat and equipment tax deductable if its to be seen that way? Then it doesnt seem so expensive.
Why are Lobster fishers being punished for their 4% TAC?
I know it goes into a trust, but, there should be people writing to the minister requesting how much they intend on generating a breakdown on exactly what it will be spent on?
Surely they would have the trust revenue expenditure planned? I hope it hasnt been done on the back of a cigarrette packet?
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shammy
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"Moore" TAX - catch and release
I've contacted the Ministers office twice this week on this issue.
The Ministers Number is 94223000
Firstly to complain and put over my point of view, everyone should give them a call, let them know how angry the fishing community is with regard too, not only this but ANY tax on fishing.
I have a tinny 3.75 m for chasing bream in the river with the kids and a 5.8m Chivers glass boat for the ocean. As we don't eat anything out of the river (it's all catch and release) I asked if I needed a licence for catch and release, on a nice day in the snags around Guildford, Yep sure do.
So now if I want to go to Rotto and set foot on the island $20 PP "landing fee". fuel for the boat Half of which is state and federal tax, Rego for the Boats and Trailer, Tax, GST on any goods I purchase including bait 10% tax, Income tax on the money I earn before I pay tax on Rego and Tax on Goods and Services. Now I want to throw the tinny in for a fish C&R, and they want to charge me $30 for a "fishing license". No thanks.
If I want to go for a fish offshore, for Snapper and DHU fish. Minister Moore says I now need a license.
I've NEVER CAUGHT a Dhu fish, and would love to bag one for a feed. I have caught snapper, again for a feed. Not to fill Freezers, or sell or give away... only for our family to eat and to have fun out on the water chasing these fish, unsuccessfully as you have seen. so Now the Minister says I need to pay him for this, it beggers belief!!
I have two sons 12 and 15yrs who are off the streets and enjoy the boat and the fishing with me and the wife comes out occassionally now I have to pay for them as they reach the age of 16yrs. If I or my son wants to take a mate out another $30 for the day... I'd be happy with one snapper and One Dhu fish for the day.
If I have a licence and live in Leeman, I can go out EVERY DAY and catch my bag limit, If i live in Perth and fish Half the weekends in Summer catch nothing I still have to Pay.............
Why don't we tax other pursuits,
people using parks for a hit of cricket,
people swimming in the ocean,
turn styles at the beach,
Want to go for a cycle on the cycleways bicycle registration to maintain and upkeep the cycleways and the toilet facilities.
These successive Governments have sold off the assets paid for by the people and turned SERVICE INDUSTRIES into Profit making industries, Power, gas, Toll roads can't be far away and if they follow the UK lead then they will "privatise" the water we drink and turn it into a FOR PROFIT organisation.
I think we need to draw a line in the sand and take a stand.
I say bugger off Norman Moore.
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Blank Cheque
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Not Sure Saltrix
It reads other licences fees increased to $45 each. Umbrella licence removed.
I have never owned a rec cray lic but did intend to next season?
Garry
Its a little late to head home early
LB
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How much do we have to pay
How much do we pay each year in fishing gear,licences and fuel how many people do we keep in jobs tackle stores,bait boats companys making reels,rods,hooks,sinkers,tents,boats the list go's on we put back in alot more than we take.Being rec fisherman we are the majority but we only speak as a minority.We put up with rules and regs wether we agree or not because it is said to be fishing for the future something we all want but this has nothing to do with fishing for the future this is just money raising.This would have more to do with wether they will be having there chrissy do at the pub drinking 4x or at the islands drinkin wild turkey.I fail to see how this helps fish stocks.
fords_rule85
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BULLS#@T!!
This TAX is just out of control!!! why should i have to pay to have a fish for leisure?? If you want to make an impact on fish stocks why dont you police boat ramps and popular fishing spots more heavily and raise fines for taking to many or undersized fish???? Now instead of being able to have a quiet fish on the weekend to unwind, i have to make sure i can afford it now, family budgets are tighter than ever now and you wankers just make it even harder.
saltatrix
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Lobster plus + $30 boat licence?
Im still unsure whther you need the $30 + $45 Lobster licence?
It reads other licences fees increased to $45 each. Umbrella licence removed.
I have never owned a rec cray lic but did intend to next season?
The recreational boat fishing licence will apply State-wide for any form of fishing where a boat is used, including:
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till
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I can see the hobie pro
I can see the hobie pro angler looking even more attractive if it doesn't actually count as a boat for licensing purposes.
Shorty
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Does not matter,,fisherys
Does not matter,,fisherys say all kayaks have to pay
till
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Hard to believe seeing as
Hard to believe seeing as they're not even registered but when you're a money grubbing whore I guess you're just a money grubbing whore =0
Shorty
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Yeah i know a kid that spent
Yeah i know a kid that spent 3 years saving up for a kayak,he is 16 now,,$180 is probally a months savings,,he will not be to impressed by it.
A few people buy kayaks because they can't afford to run a boat as well.