Not fishing related, can some body tell me

Can some body explain something to me, my eldest was a FIFO worker until today when he was told that he was being "demobilized" and that he was no longer required.

Now I thought that as his services (and it's not only him about 20 others) were finished with you were made "redundant", your part of the job has finished.

Demobilized is a term used for military services, such as the wars finished troops you are released from service etc.

Can anyone tell me what this means in the commercial construction world, have the commercial sector taken up the word demobilized instead of redundant or does it mean something else with terminating workers. He is not upset as the end of the job was foreseeable and on construction that's the nature of the work. It's just the use of this word he hasn't come across before when being laid off.

Thanks to anyone that can explain the difference to me.


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 demobilised is when the part

Fri, 2017-03-17 21:15

 demobilised is when the part of the job he is working on is completed.  people are demobed all the time out on site. You are usually given notice a few days before hand and the company pays for your flights home etc.

Then when your needed for the next job you are mobilised to site. 

Redundancy is only for full time contracts as mobilisation is usually for casual FIFO staff.  Most people contact the employers HR team and jump on the next job site 

I hope that explains things.  Pm me if you like 

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my son

Fri, 2017-03-17 21:32

 My eldest son is FIFO somewhere 100k out of Headland and last swing he was confused as they withdrew his accomodation an hour before flying back.I felt they were going to move him to the new plant and that is what happened.The site is changing hands and management will head hunt the bodies they want and move them so when the origional contract expires they can bring in new people.Its all very dodgy but I dont think there is any union protection and if you stand up for yourself or dont play by the rules you can be vunerable.On this return he shared some interesting stories and as a construction worker from the good/bad 80s it brought back memories of some of the shenanigans that can go on behind closed doors.One of his mates reported an incident with his super and found himself[no longer required].They tried to reduce the salaries to the lowest paid site not meet in the middle of the highest to lowest.Tried to get him to sign his new contract before R/R so he would not get paid his week off.To answer the question Redundant means your job has been replaced by something else and you are entitled to a payout of some sort.demobbed means no longer needed at all.Remember the week in luie in Parabadoo.Even at Wagerup we were paid 2 weeks when they asked you to go.I used to love it when it happened once it was at 10.00am and I just packed up went to my car and still got paid the day and the next 2 weeks.One time I was back on the refinery with a different company and still getting paid from the former at the same construction site.Good luck to him there will be more opportunities in this industry

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Fri, 2017-03-17 21:47

 Yep, as already said, demobed means done and dusted, usually if it's a FIFO position, they can be told in the morning and demobed in the afternoon, gives them time to get back to their rooms, shower get packed and taken to their flight. That way it gives them no time and get on the piss and play up. I see it all the time on site, and being in my position, I generally hear about it before they do.

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 As Dale said...good bye in a

Fri, 2017-03-17 22:19

 

As Dale said...good bye in a nice way.

People are quick to bag unions, and given some of there antics i agree, but when it comes to site safety..BHP one of our biggest killers or especially local commercial sites were there worth there wait in gold, i had to pull my oldies in to line on this and the differeance...a toilet is a good example. contract is the way now and we have to live with it and what comes with it.

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I wish your young bloke the best in finding a new role.

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 I think the easiest way to

Fri, 2017-03-17 22:27

 I think the easiest way to look at it (and the worst) .. think of FIFO as hired machinery (they are after all hired help) .once the item or person is no longer needed it is demobed and returned to the pool of workers that wait until they are needed again . The best thing you can do is keep phoning HR departments (it keeps them thinking of you) and contact plenty of companies . FiFO is pretty cut throut and you dont need to be loyal to just one company . One month might be working for monodelphus and the next might be linkforce etc. If you het the chance make friends with the supervisors as they will usually request thier own work crews

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uhhmm would it be

Fri, 2017-03-17 22:30

 maybe now would be a good time to mention those young blokes they  should have been in the union i am betting there not , if you get hurt like i did on a pilbara site the only 1s standing with you are the union in my case the CEPU , i dont see why its such a problem joining the union your work is  affilated with it 100% tax deductable  and you dont have to get involed in the politics of the union if you dont want to and your protected from arsehole bosses if you ever need help

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100% tax deducatable? So

Sat, 2017-03-18 10:51

100% tax deducatable? So you're basically saying that my taxes are being used to fund the unions and effectively funding advertising for the Labor party. The quicker this nation does something about these corrupt unions the better!

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 Not sure you're on tbe right

Sat, 2017-03-18 13:56

 Not sure you're on tbe right page there jack.

 

A % of the running costs of my car are tax deductible because i use my car to earn an income.  That doesnt mean your taxes pay my running costs.  It means i dont pay tax on that part of my income.

 

You cant say that some being tax deductible means tax payers are paying for it.

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Just like Turnbull's

Sat, 2017-03-18 14:05

Just like Turnbull's donations to the Liberals mate - totally tax deductable

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 What a load of bullshit.

Sat, 2017-03-18 15:59

 What a load of bullshit.
Yes union fees are 100% tax deductable just like any other professional association.

No matter how people want to spin it, a trade union is no different to the Pharmacists Guild, AMA, Mines and Metals Assoc, Legal Bar, CPA, PSA, Independant Grocers Assoc etc.

They all are a collective to allow each to present a united front for their collective good.

Yeah some are way more militant than others.

You didnt get your public holidays and 40 (or 38) hr week cos your a good bloke...

 

Yes there certainly have been and probably still are corrupt unions, just as there have been and probably still are corrupt local government officials.

 

EDIT-you got me again haha, your getting good at this trolling lark 

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oil rigs

Fri, 2017-03-17 23:00

Offshore oil rigs mobilise on to the drilling location and once the well is drill, plugged and abandoned or whatever they want to do with it, the rig demobs from the exploration permit. If its the end of the drilling program then the personnel (3rd party, specialists) demobilise as well and the core team stay with the rig.

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Thanks guys

Sat, 2017-03-18 08:28

I didn't have a clue what it meant outside of the military service and what was happening, now I can help him understand what it means in his world.

All I ever heard talked about was you got made redundant when the job finished or your part of it any way and that meant aster la vista baby.

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Redundancies are for salaried staff.

Sat, 2017-03-18 08:29

 A redundancy is paid to a full-time, slalaried staff member when their position no longer exists. There are strict definitions on this from the ATO as it affects the tax liabilities. If you are construction, when you are no longer needed , you are de-mobed. Unless you were on an EBA that gave you a completion bonus, or somesuch, that's the way it has always been. People are bandying the term FIFO around as a derogatory term--, I think you are misusing it, get on a remote production  minesite and you are all FIFO, from the manager down. There will be contractors on casual, and permanent staff on salary, you are all FIFO. Some of those contractors will be there for a specific project, will de-mob when it is complete. others will be labour replacement, filling a role normally done by a full-time employee. This is often used as a way to check someone out--if you measure up, you may be offered a permanent role. Difference is, the contractors can be terminated on no notice, and this is reflected on the higher hourly rate they are being paid, relative to staff. Again, way it has always been. Some like it that way, get offers to go on permanent, refuse. And then are usually shown the gate, as they are too expensive to employ. People seem to be getting into a crossed conversation here, where they are mixing construction and production up, two totally different scenarios, as anyone who has worked both will recognise.

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Thanks ranmar850

Sat, 2017-03-18 08:46

He got a termination payout and is not complaining about that as he is quite happy with it. He was also asked to fill in a form indicating that he would work for them again if a vacancy for him comes up. All this stuff is new to him and I have never heard of it having worked for the grey funnel line, not in it, worked for it.

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 Spot on Ranmar.I was offered

Sat, 2017-03-18 09:52

 Spot on Ranmar.I was offered positions with Alcoa and was not interested.And some companies I contracted for offered me work on other sites again it was my choice.Fortunatly at my age girls dont check me out and no one is offering me a job so I can sit here and post on fishwrecked

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Reckoned I could do that, too

Sat, 2017-03-18 11:25

 When I was made redundant two years ago almost to the day. pay off the mortgage and the car, then sit back and do F8all apart from fish , camp, and ride my bikes. But it just didn't work out that way...   it was a bit like the godfather movie scene where he says" just when you think you're out, they drag you back in again"  Oh well, keeps paying for toy upgrades.

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 classic

Sat, 2017-03-18 13:32

 classic

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Not all unions are corrupt.  

Sat, 2017-03-18 13:37

Not all unions are corrupt.  

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 union fees are a legitimate

Sat, 2017-03-18 13:49

 union fees are a legitimate tax deduction on your income just like donations and workboots and any other work related expenses

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