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Agreed

Fri, 2019-03-15 18:56

 Hate only breeds hate.

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What an absolute arsehole

Fri, 2019-03-15 19:23

 What sort of gun laws do they have in nz. Were these legal.

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 Semi auto's, doubt it. I'm

Fri, 2019-03-15 20:07

 Semi auto's, doubt it. I'm very keen to hear the outcome and how they were able to arm themselves so well. Explosives as well.

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Here's your answer

Fri, 2019-03-15 20:29

I expect the anti gun lobbies in NZ and internationally are about to have a field day. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/15/new-zealand-gun-laws-face-scrutiny-after-christchurch-attack

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Semi been legal over there

Sat, 2019-03-16 07:35

Semi been legal over there for years. 

 

Maybe not any more after the other day. 

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 Kia Kaha

Fri, 2019-03-15 20:02

 Kia Kaha

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 Fuck sakes! The gun laws

Sat, 2019-03-16 17:40

 Fuck sakes!

 

The gun laws don't matter!

 

( I'm not suggesting American style laws where fear drives everyone to have a pistol under their pillow and half the time littlr Johnny blows away little daisy because she stole his teddy )

 

The kiwis have had high power semi autos for ever.

 

Don't blame the gun.

 

Yep they were semi autos but when a nutjob wants to go mad he'll find a way.

 

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE

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 While I agree to some

Sat, 2019-03-16 19:42

 While I agree to some extent, he has already stated that he carried it out in NZ as he couldnt obtain the weapons in Australia.

I'll declare that I am a firearms owner, have shot and hunted since around 13 or so and still do regularly.

Im not proposing changes here at all, but it is clear that NZ needs to upgrade their firearms processes now.

Google Aramoana shooting for some context.

There seem to be such anomalies as while firearms with a magazine of greater than 10 rds centrefire or 15 .22 are illegal, it is not actually illegal to sell those mags, only to have them in a rifle.

AR15's are not a hunting weapon, despite being great fun to shoot.

It would be patently clear to anyone who handles firearms, that he couldnt have done what he did without that particular or similar weapon.

Even a .22 semi auto, while it certainly could wreak some damage, wouldnt have the stopping power to do that.

I grew up in NZ, and return regularly for visits.

Besides of course the human tragedy, it will be such a shock to a people who are very welcoming of strangers/visitors, and staunchly proud of their standing on the world stage.

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Still plenty of semi autos

Sun, 2019-03-17 06:57

Still plenty of semi autos kicking around in Australia.  

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Alright Boon. Give me a

Sat, 2019-03-16 19:43

Alright Boon. Give me a specific example where as a rec shooter you need a semi auto?

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 Rabbits and foxes with a .22

Sat, 2019-03-16 19:56

 Rabbits and foxes with a .22 or 12 gauge is the only ones for me.
Otherwise there isnt much, club shooting (practical rifle similar to practical pistol comp) there is some interest.

Frost you should probably edit that to "recreational hunter" as that may be more what you are asking.

I'll also make a prediction.

In 10 yrs or less, there will be a firearms category licence for a spear gun 

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Well I can't edit it now that

Sat, 2019-03-16 21:02

Well I can't edit it now that you replied but my question was around 'need' rather than 'want' whether it be a hunter or a shooter

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Had a play with a 10/22 for

Sat, 2019-03-16 21:18

Had a play with a 10/22 for the first time in 20 odd years recently. Perfect tool for the job for rabbits. 

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yes

Sat, 2019-03-16 21:25

 True.

But the "need" and "want" relate to many hazardous things in our lives.
High powered cars and boats, spear guns being probably the most relevant example.

You dont "need" a boat, and boats have been used on many occasions deliberately or without regard to injure or maim
I dont know of ANYBODY who "needs" a speargun, and it is lethal and a firearm.

Don't get me wrong, I am just pointing out things that you as a (I'm guessing) non shooter/hunter probably do not know nor are aware of.

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Nonetheless as an unaware

Sat, 2019-03-16 22:16

Nonetheless as an unaware City boy can you provide me an example of where a rec shooter/hunter needs a semi auto besides the fact that it is  more enjoyable to use just like a boat over a kayak or a high powered car over  Dato or a speargun over a gidgee?

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Sun, 2019-03-17 10:24

 For me personally, I hunt rabbits regularly and come across foxes and cats as well which are alot harder to knock over with a .22LR (long rifle) and often require several shots at a longer range and sometimes moving.

Id rather stay with a .22LR but will probably upgrade to a .22 Mag which comes with quite a few disadvantages of increased noise, range, ricochet even after passing straight thru a rabbit.

Id much rather stay with a .22LR in a semi auto like a Ruger 10/22 to avoid all of that and be able to put 2 or 3 shots into a fox quickly.

For the city boy, a .22LR has a soft lead projectile which breaks up easily.

A .22 LR has a muzzle velocity of about 1300 feet per second

.22 magnum about 2000 and a copper jacketted projectile which is capable of passing through intact on a light boned rabbit.

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Cheers Rob, still not a need

Sun, 2019-03-17 13:11

Cheers Rob, still not a need but the more effective eradication of pests that destroy livestock and crops isn't an arguement I'd be unsympathetic too.

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 I agree Yeah might be

Sun, 2019-03-17 18:33

 I agree Yeah might be easier... but you don’t need it we woul all love to get a few extra shots out but we can’t....also these are all low powered 

.22 is like a pellet  gun  definitely no need for an ar15  In The hunting scenario it’s not. Sporting and the recoil will put ya aim out anyway 

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 I chase pigs,Plenty of time

Sun, 2019-03-17 13:07

 I chase pigs,Plenty of time there in group on 30+ where a semi auto would be handy.Would prob go from getting 3 or 4 with the lever/bolt guns to 10+ with a semi.

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spear guns

Wed, 2019-03-20 19:41

 you got that right there will be rail gun catorgrys, phumatic gun cat, jelly rubber  single, double and tripile ruber cats, and then the good old giggie catorgry   

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 i stil cant understand how

Sat, 2019-03-16 17:48

 i stil cant understand how someone can show so much disregard for other lives to do something like this. 

real sick bastard. he or they certainly have some questions to answer. 

so many families have been stuffed up . 

innocent people going about their normal daily ritual 

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It happens all the time in

Sun, 2019-03-17 15:18

It happens all the time in other countries!  

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 Doesn't matter the need nor

Sat, 2019-03-16 21:13

 Doesn't matter the need nor the want.

 

I could give U several but it's like saying why are 6.5ltr V8s sold when U can only travel at 110.

 

I would argue it's rare for somebody to pre meditate something that takes so long to act out.

 

They can change their laws but imo they'll only be policing the honest. I don't know any "bikes" but I'm sure they'd be the first port of call if you wanted to acquire an illegal firearm to act something like this out.

 

100% Rob, spearguns will require a license and rightly so if a bow/crossbows requires licensing.

 

 

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Nutters will always find a way

Sun, 2019-03-17 07:26

Just a shitty world atm.

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And it ain,t going to change

Sun, 2019-03-17 08:14

And it ain,t going to change any time soon uncle.

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 All I can say is I'm totally

Sun, 2019-03-17 18:12

 All I can say is I'm totally disgusted to live in the same country as the seemingly plethora of rednecks that pop out of the woodwork like cockroaches when something like this happens. The comments I'm seeing on soacial media are quite frankly rank. The only thing giving me a glimmer of hope for this place at the moment is the nearly one million signatures on Change.Org calling for F&^&*(head Anning's removal. It's garbage like him that fire up these scumbag radicals. 

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   Well Allen,most of the

Thu, 2019-03-21 19:14

   Well Allen,most of the ''scumbag radicals'' as you call them are certainly not all rednecks. Are you forgetting the Bali bombing, 9/11, Charlie Hedbo, the killings in Nigeria of Christians on an almost weekly basis? It does not take rocket science to see that this incident was fermenting well before Fraser Anning showed up so put away your pitchfork and understand that murder is murder not matter what side the perpetraters are from. If we really tried hard enough we could blame anyone from the Queen of England to Idi Amin for this tragedy but at the end of the day it was the Gunman alone and nobody else.

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  Sorry for calling you

Thu, 2019-03-21 19:23

  Sorry for calling you Allen,mate. Had a long day.

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What a great tragedy

Sun, 2019-03-17 18:25

The ramifications from the tragedy will be felt for a very long time I think and those amongst us who fish and hunt will feel the aftermath the most.

The New Zealand prime minister has all ready made her intentions to make changes to the NZ gun laws very clear. Those legally, law abiding firearm owners in NZ are no doubt about to some radical changes to it's firearm laws.

To me the most frightening images to come from the scene of the horrific incident was the amount of police running around with (what one assumes) to be assault rifles capable of full automatic fire and clad in outfits that a full on infantry soldier would be proud to have at his disposal.
It is to their credit and training in fire control that there where no accidental discharges of the hard ware they where carrying.
When I see people all tooled up to the extent that the police are now adopting to attend incidents with firearms involved it makes me shake with trepidation as to what the risk factor to the general public is.

As to the need against the want with semi auto firearms, if you are going to be involved with the control of introduced vermin (read pigs,horses,donkeys goats camels)and you don't have a semi automatic large calibre weapon with a large magazine capacity, then don't even think about it, be you using chopper or a vehicle.

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Disagree there mate, dad

Sun, 2019-03-17 18:49

Disagree there mate, dad hunted goats camels donkeys and Roos for a living

all with a landcruiser and bolt action 223 and 308 

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I respect your dis-agreeing

Sun, 2019-03-17 22:49

I should have said that I wasn't hunting them for meat or trophies I was engaged in destroying as many as possible for a feral vermin control programme where you needed to destroy as many as possible as quick as possible.

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That cock smoker got in with

Mon, 2019-03-18 06:52

That cock smoker got in with 19 primary votes... Time to change the system.

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Bet he gets a truckload more

Mon, 2019-03-18 07:34

Bet he gets a truckload more next time around though.  

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 He doesn't have a party so

Mon, 2019-03-18 07:38

 He doesn't have a party so will be gone next election. 

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Give it a week and social

Sun, 2019-03-17 21:28

Give it a week and social media will be into something else. We already had the pushbikes then the vegans going nuts around Harvey now this.

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Yep

Sun, 2019-03-17 21:32

Sadly, the media outlets love it.

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Nail on the head there BJ.

Sun, 2019-03-17 21:52

Nail on the head there BJ. Disgraceful 

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Media thrives on it

Mon, 2019-03-18 09:33

 Just like seagulls, wow we don't  have to look for a story for a week now!!

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There's your classic example

Mon, 2019-03-18 14:03

 Koch and hinch what a stand up pair!

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 Yep they took it up to that

Mon, 2019-03-18 16:55

 Yep they took it up to that old hag.

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 Yeah, Two of the biggest

Thu, 2019-03-21 19:38

 Yeah, Two of the biggest Punce's on the scene.

 

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 Any of you see the video?  I

Mon, 2019-03-18 19:16

 Any of you see the video?  I did, it looked like a video game. Couldnt believe what i was watching.

 He kept shooting the bodies over and over,  as soon as he couldn't find anyone back to shooting the bodies. 

 How the hell did 20min of live video get posted online and no one stopped it???????

 Proper fear and pure hate is all you see in that video. 

 Those guns have no place in civilian hands 

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No but seen lots of

Mon, 2019-03-18 21:34

No but seen lots of beheadings and Russian uniforms for sale with body bits attached in Peshawar. I spent nearly 30 years in the Middle East I've witnessed the hate they have for us and against each other, keeping the lid on a crew of Sunni & Shiite's is not easy. Brig Gen Wassom's passing saved our bacon too when in Pakistan, if he'd not been with Zia I'd not be writing this.

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i saw it

Mon, 2019-03-18 19:45

 i saw it and wish i had never seen it the u tube vidieo that is   what suprised me was tallking to my maori next dore neghbour he said "fuck them towel heads  we need less of them in NZ" and yes we drink beers watching nz/ aussie rugby test matches  and yes he is a big scary bloke  about 125 kg  195 cm 

 

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 Honestly Pete, you really

Mon, 2019-03-18 20:17

 Honestly Pete, you really need to think before you save FFS

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Haha 

Mon, 2019-03-18 22:38

Haha 

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How do these 3 things : "and

Mon, 2019-03-18 22:55

Sorry, comment removed... decided I don't want to enter into this and there is no delete button

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NZ introduces new gun laws

Thu, 2019-03-21 12:00

Predictably NZ announced new gun laws today banning semi-automatic firearms that are classified as military style semi-automatic firearms. Certainly not as far reaching as the Australia gun reform following the Port Arthur massacre.

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Certain semi-automatic firearms declared to be military style semi-automatic firearms For the purposes of the Arms Act 1983, the following firearms are declared to be military style semi-automatic firearms:

(a) a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine (other than one designed to hold 0.22-inch or less rimfire cartridges) that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges:

(b) a semi-automatic firearm that is a shotgun and that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges.

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That’s just the first of many to come

Thu, 2019-03-21 19:26

The banning of semi autos is the first action that will for The immediate future keep the less radical anti gun group happy.

The more informed anti gun groups will no doubt be pushing for far greater restrictions. Let’s just wait and see what else comes down the pipe line.

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This will be good for the

Fri, 2019-03-22 07:36

This will be good for the illegal import of firearms into NZ.... someone will make some money soon 

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This will be good for the

Fri, 2019-03-22 07:36

This will be good for the illegal import of firearms into NZ.... someone will make some money soon