Once a diver has 'TAKEN' a lobster can he 'UNTAKE' it?
This is a question I have been pondering for some time now after following the progress of the Bret Carter case. Evidence from the court case stated that the Fisheries interpretation was that a lobster is 'TAKEN' when a diver places that lobster within a catch bag.
"... Fisheries Officer Demir stated that her understanding of the legal obligation was that a fisherman must only 'take' eight rock lobsters daily. The officer confirmed in her opinion, the rock lobster is 'taken' when 'you have captured the animal underwater and placed it into the catch bag ..."
So can a lobster become 'UNTAKEN'? My first thought was no based upon the Fisheries view that the act of TAKING a lobster is complete once that lobster is placed in a catch bag. That would suggest to me that once that act of TAKING is complete that act becomes irreversible as it is in the past and any subsequent action such as releasing a TAKEN lobster doesn't cancel or negate the original 'TAKING'.
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If that’s the case
Don’t swim with dive bag. Swim with length of cord. Clove hitch all your crays to cord. Then you haven’t taken any.
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I dont reckon you can going
I dont reckon you can going by the law. I dont know much about crayfishing and but is there a legal definition of catch bag? Fashion up something that gets around the rules that you can have on your person instead of using the craypot idea? could be a pre-take bag. Seems like being 'caught' and being 'taken' are different. all sounds like legal mumbo jumbo to me. Im not well educated on the topic so excuse me if its been said or is flat out stupid.
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Beat me to it little johnny!
Beat me to it little johnny! I was thinking f something similar.
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Good laugh alan
But . In the first court case , they stated soon as you snare it you have taken it ,What happens if you grab one with hands?
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I thought the same thing
I thought the same thing
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Good question Alan
That is a very good question IMO, seeing as how the whole crux of this situation is based around the definition of a single word being "take" it then needs to be defined if there is a clause that allows you to "un take" a snared cray.
My be a section on "release" of previously "taken " crays Hmmm.
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Clarification
Doesn't the new clarification allow for double checking and an undersized can be 'untaken' during this 5 minute grace period. That doesn't override the rule of taking no more than 8 and berried / tar spot are totally protected and can't be 'taken'.
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Sounds pretty sensible to me.
Sounds pretty sensible to me. I think we'll all be amazed at how quickly divers will be able to adapt and are suddenly perfectly capable bringing up 8 sized and legal crays.
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Like to see you try
It isn’t that easy. If going for jumbos no probs. In close surge . Vision many factors. Bloody hard. No dig but it is not easy. Double handling . I have few spare kits if you would like to show me.
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Willing to accept that you
Willing to accept that you may miss a couple but it's a bag limit not a bag target. As an experienced diver I'd be willing to bet you don't need to bring up 25 to sort 8?
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jack it needs to be reminded
jack it needs to be reminded brett was sharing that catch bag with the other divers , who imo are just as guilty of sloppy process by putting crays in the bag and then surfacing and keeping their bag limit from the first bag landed that fisheries oked , that left brett hanging with a bag full at 25 ....when he surfaced , which at face value looks like alot over
however if you divided that bag of 25- betwen both divers who helped fill it , it then becomes 12.5 crays each ... so reasonably 12-13 for brett that you could argue he took as his share ..into a shared bag now if any diver surfaced with just 12 -13 craysd in a catch bag ...would we all say ..wow thats excessive ?? and way over the top ?? i dont think so
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Sorry Hezzy but that's
Sorry Hezzy but that's bollocks, they all went for a dive and bought up a big bag full knowing full well that each of them was catching crays. The communication before the dive should have been let's bring up 10-12 and from that we'll all get a good limit and sort the smaller/illegal one's etc. He knew his mate's would have full bags, so no need to bring up that many.
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nah , we will have to
nah , we will have to disagree on that andy
they had 2 catch bags shared between 3 divers, the other blokes took crays and put them in both bags ...
are you seriously saying you think if brett had of only had that bag he would have put 25 crays in it and surfaced ?? when he can only take 8 to keep ??
id think thats along bow to be drawing myself , hence why i disagree on it
i do think they all have been very slack in their dive habits and the process /communication , they have not been diligent enough in really paying attention to what they should have all been doing to meet the law , but lots of rec fishers and divers are slack in how they behave on their own boat , but that doesnt mean they are intending to break the law
there general assumption seems to have been surface with more than we need and then check and throw back the rest
that is not unusual among divers , but its not intent to break the law either imo
if they all had of had the fisheries officers with them on the boat before they dived and knew they would be waiting on surfacing , im dam sure they all like anyone would have paid very close attention to what they where doing etc
bit like having a cop car follow you up the road for 5 km .... well all know suddenly we pay more attention to speed etc
how many here have answered the phone while driving ?? cmon be honest ?? most likly 100% of us ...would you do it if you had a cop behind you ?? nah not likly
point is our behvoiur changes when we are being scrutinised by authority , plenty of divers would not be so stringent when diving as this now seems to want to make them comply to
and lastly
who on here really believes brett or his mates on that day where going to take more than the bag limit for each of them due to what they did ??
was it slack , yes , was there intention to break the law ?? i doubt it
fisheries could have resolved this much better imo and even now it is still causing huge confusion on what is legal or illegal and the correct process to stay within the law for divers imo
fire away at will lol
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Mate, there's the real story
Mate, there's the real story and the one told. I'd be willing to bet my boat that they intended to keep to their bag limit but that they also intended to surface with as many crays around the size mark as they could take up and sort them to keep the biggest 24 between the three of them. It would appear that Fisheries have previously turned a blind eye to this practice for a few over the limit but one bloke surfacing with 25 followed by a gobful of abuse toward a female FMO (by Brett's own admission) apparently drew their ire.
To me it's a case of a bloke pushing the mark too far and a case of Fisheries having previous practices that allowed the situation to occur buy allowing divers to come up with more than 8 i.e. how are the public supposed to know where the line is drawn. Fisheries should have accepted the original court decision and then (if it was an issue) amended the legislation to be crystal clear going forward and communicated this to the public. They are now just being petty and losing the public's respect for drawing this out.
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jack ...the only story is
jack ...the only story is whats in the court transcripts that shows the action and intent imo none of us where there , so that's what you get to use
anything else is just gossip and people wanting to spin it one way or another
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Court transcripts also show
Court transcripts also show that Carman Lawrence and Alan Bond didn't recall anything about WA Inc...
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lol , jeez lack , now your
lol , jeez lack , now your really trying to shift the goal posts hey with that comparison ...
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Carmen Lawrence was a
Carmen Lawrence was a public servant as well wasn't she?
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No, she was a psychologist
No, she was a psychologist before becoming a politician.
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ill pay that rob !!! nice
ill pay that rob !!! nice back hand volley mate !!!
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If that were the case mate
If that were the case mate then he wouldve been the first charged in this way.
But he was not, there were a few at least before Bret, but STILL DOF thought "no need to do a bit of public education"
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I never said they turned a
I never said they turned a blind eye all the time but my understanding from following this is that generally they'd allow a small margin of error over the limit so long as it was reasonable and the diver was respectful. Come up with a heap of crays and a gobful of abuse and you leave yourself open to interpretation of the law.
We're in agreement though Rob RE Fisheries being remiss in not having a single unified stance and educating this to the public once it became an issue (I know I'm shocked too) but that's the problem when they (generally) allow a margin over the legal limit in that they cannot then determine where the line is drawn. They need to drop this case and start from scratch.
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They need to put out a
They need to put out a public statement and go into damage control. This case as we all know now is about ego and not the law.
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in theory. as soom as you
in reality. as soom as you remove the cray from the location they happen to be weather it by snare or hand it is taken even before it reaches you bag.
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Crayfishing rules
the current 2017/2018 crayfishing rules don’t appear to have the word taken contained in them, what they do say is that in normal circumstances they will give the diver or pot puller 5 mins to check their catch for illegal crays, they also say where possible crays should be gauged checked and counted under water. I think if you came back to the boat with 1 or 2 more crays than you were allowed and returned them within the 5 minute period and are polite and cooperative with officers if checked there will be no issues, however if your catch bags are overflowing with crays you may be in trouble.
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Who knows
What it means. What is normal circumstances? it Can be dead flat . No swell . Underwater can be hammering current. Who determines normal ? Individual officers on the day? Will they give you 5 mins? Depending on officer . Some do some don’t. I hear where your coming from but there is no set standard or rule. Words can be twisted. Doesn’t matter if your nice or not, some can be difficult and should be treated the same way. If polite same same.many many valid points from everyone. Next thing will be cray pots with counters on them. Once 8 critters pass neck of pot shuts. Like occy traps. I bet there would be uproar.
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Normal circumstances
i think regardless of conditions you still have an idea of roughly how many crays you have in your bag, I think what they are trying to avoid is people taking the piss and bringing an overflowing catch bag back to the boat. Also I didn’t interpret the meaning of normal circumstances to mean ocean conditions I read it as bringing back a reasonable bag of crays.
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But recreational divers MUST clip the tail
And this has always been done IN the boat......not classed as recreational crays until you evidence it by tail clipping.....therefore NOT taken for recreational purposes until actually clipped.
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True that’s the whole
Point . You haven’t taken it until clipped. Way it’s always been .not so apparently now days.
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not wanting to split hairs
not wanting to split hairs here
but , i think you will find you have taken the cray once its in your catch bag or on the boat etc ...you then have 5 mins to tail clip it /them ... you are tail clipping to legaly land the crays ....... not to take them
they must be clipped before landing them and within 5 mins of taking them imo
johnny i agree with your above posts the officers on the day can vary so widely in their manner , attitude and interpretation of the rules its not funny
it all depends week in week out , year in year out ime
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Collapsible pot
Just drag one of these around and fill it up . With your id badge on it of course to prove it was yours that you were just retrieving after its rope was cut. Pick the biggest 8 from the 40 that were in the pot and release the rest in an untataken state.
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There’s another rule pots
If you hand pick 8 out your pot( don’t open gate) and tip into tub. And try put others back in pot after taking 8 . That isn’t allowed. Hand pick 8 , throw pot back in .that is legal.
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Do potters throw back pots
Do potters throw back pots with crays in them once they hit their quota for the day keeping the rest on layby? Is that legal or are they taken once they are removed from the water and thus must be released.
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Have to be released Timmbo.
Have to be released Timmbo.
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Ok, so John knows my hands
Ok, so John knows my hands are getting old, gout and arthritis. just going to be fun for me sizing crays under water, think I will be dropping a pot then go for a swim.
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Shark
Bait :)
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Thanks mate!!
Thanks mate!!
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
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Just throwing this out
Just throwing this out there. I'd love to see anybody who comments on how divers should or do operate in there post, starting the post with something like this:
Scuba diver for the last X years
Approx X Dives for crays in the last 2 years
Opinion blah blah blah.....
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What is this a closed
What is this a closed opinion thread to those who don't dive? BTW Dived for about 20 years in my younger years both Scuba and free, hope that satifies your prerequisite?
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What you want to check their "credentials"
you seem to be questioning posters integrity which I personally find a little distasteful however just by way of interest .....diver winter and summer for 30 years (hell has it really been that long !) but of recent times after a very close visit from a white and due to age not as much as I would like to.
Love looping crays, can recall many instances perticularly before the recent change regarding setose crays of returning to the boat with a bag full only to discover small hairs which were not visible underwater and hence immediately returning those crays. Have often lost count of the number of crays in the bag or, as buddy diving, may well have mates crays in my bag and he similarly has some that I looped but ALWAYS returned any excess of limits when found to have exceeded such limits but on the boat after getting aboard from the dive. I also always rechecked the crays size in case of a mismeasure whilst underwater, simply good practice in my view......always tail clip when in the boat not underwater. In effect therefore base on theses practices I have been in breach as have most posters here despite sincerely believing I was acting wholly within the law and the spirit of the law as was always intended by the legislators.
Bret .....but for the grace of whomever most here would be in the same position as you find yourself.....it is a travesty !
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nice post sunshine !!! iv
nice post sunshine !!!
iv free dived/snorkelled since we where kids then started scuba in the 80s, dived mostly in the spring /summer until about 10 years ago
doc one day gave me a lecture about it , as I'm asthmatic , he was all over me ....on reflecting about it I knew he was right so I got rid of most of my gear and stopped over about 18 months
still free dive for abs though in the shallows only
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My take
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Didn't aim this at anybody
Didn't aim this at anybody in particular and sorry if it offended. I'm a bit tired of reading posts that are based on what divers can or can't do which seems to come from people who don't dive, not just in this thread.... In hindsight I shouldn't have posted it.
I personally have many dives in rubbish conditions where just navigating and stopping getting hammered by surge in rubbish visability make it very hard to do a lot of the things that are assumed easy by some people posting, including keeping count of the crays in the bag.
I'm not super experienced though having only dived for crays 30 or 40 times over the last 10 years of 20 years as a diver.
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Id love to see fisheries
Id love to see fisheries respond to what Pete D said on their page!!!
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They don't seem to like
They don't seem to like commenting on stuff when Bretis mentioned.
But in all seriousness, are we needing to clip tails underwater now, or is it even needed if I have takenit when it's in the Bag?
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The act is clear on what the
The act is clear on what the defintion of take is - "take, in relation to fish, includes catch, capture, entrap, enclose, gather, remove, poison, stun, kill or destroy fish by any means"
s4 Fisheries Resources Management Act 1994
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Alan James
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I think we all agree that is what the Fisheries Resources Management Act says. So with that knowledge can you tell me if I place 8 crays in my catch bag and upon returning to the boat I then return 2 crays to the sea have I taken 8 or 6?
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Then by using the same logic
I can surface with 10 in my catch bag return 2 to the sea and take 8.
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Perfect
Alan,
that is the most perfect, uncluttered, rational and no-nonsensed explanation or example I’ve heard in this whole subject.
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@Allan - no you cant,
@Allan - no you cant, because 10 are in your catchbag, at that point of having 10 in your bag, you are deemed to have taken them if fisheries intercept you before releasing the other 2.
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Think your having a bet both
Think your having a bet both ways there.
Fact is that even if Fisheries were allowed to make it up as they go, it still doesn't make its good idea.
No matter if Fisheries win against Bret, they have destroyed a large part of their community good will.
Maybe some people are guns, dive in perfect vis and weather, can size, count and inspect their crays without error while monitoring their dive also.
Plus go to church every Sunday with a clear conscience but us retarded mortals who may not be 100% fit, can't.
On top of that, NOONE seems to be able to explain how freedivers and beach divers can work it
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I dont understand why divers
I dont understand why divers cant grasp you are not allowed to have in excess of 8 crays when swiming to the boat - its pretty simple.
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Notorious the facts are the legislation does not state that a diver cannot put 10 or 12 or any other number of lobster in a catch bag. That is simply an interpretation or spin that the Fisheries have of recent time elected to impose on divers. If you refer to the Fish Resources Management Act 1994 and Fish Resources Management Regulations 1995 you will see there is no reference whatsoever to catch bag. The FRM Act Section 50, subsection (3) states:
"A person must not take or bring onto the land or into WA waters, on any one day, more fish than the bag limit of those fish."
and Regulation 65G, read in conjunction with sch 3, pt 5 of the FRM Regulations provides that the daily bag limit for rock lobster is eight.
So in essence both the FRM Act the FRM Regulation are silent with respect to:
(a) how many lobster a diver may place in a catch bag,
(b) how many lobster a diver can bring to the boat, and
(c) whether the practice of sorting on the boat is permitted or otherwise.
Clearly Fisheries are now seeking to impose restrictions on divers that are solely based on their interpretation of the FRM Act the FRM Regulations. And to add insult their interpretation is at best clumsy by adopting two differing definitions of the word TAKE. It would be difficult to argue the original intent of the legislation means anything else other than a diver or potter is permitted to TAKE home 8 lobster per day. Fisheries wish to retain that meaning of the word TAKE and at the same time introduce another meaning of the word TAKE which attempts to define where the act of TAKING occurs.
I would hope that most who have followed the progress of Bret's case are now clear with respect to Fisheries interpretations of what divers can or cannot do. Time however will tell whether those interpretations can survive scrutiny in court.
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that above alan sums it up
that above alan sums it up succinctly ..
why fisheries and their minister are still supporting the officer that booked brett and this case against him is beyond fathoming honestly
total farce and waste of our resources on this
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A very well put together statement Alan
As said above and re enforced in the guide, the guide is just that a guide. The legislation (the act) is the senior document governing the taking of crays (rock lobster).
To me this is the whole crux of the matter as I understand it, I accept that my understanding my be wrong but to simple old me if it ain't against the law (legislation) then the law has not been broken and the big drama about the word take is an argument about something that is irrelevant.
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This is where the confusion
This is where the confusion begins then, since he's taken 8 then taken 6 soon after. Can he then jump back in the water with whatever is left in his cylinder and legally grab another 2? Or does the fact that he initially had 8 in his bag prohibit this?
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[The act is clear on what the
[The act is clear on what the defintion of take is - "take, in relation to fish, includes catch, capture, entrap, enclose, gather, remove, poison, stun, kill or destroy fish by any means"
s4 Fisheries Resources Management Act 1994]
so that being the case as above
why is apot fisher treated differently when it comes to the interpetation of ''take ''??
pots catch , entrap and enclose ? yes only supposedly legal size crays should stay in a pot , however they do also hold undersize and tar spot /berried females ?? there totally protected ??
so can fisheries explain that interpretation ??
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Lawyers must be wringing
Lawyers must be wringing their hands together eh Hezzy
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yeh totally andy thats the
yeh totally andy
thats the thing there always was some form of open to ''intepretation ''type of application on this by fisheries officers, depending on who you where stopped by and their mood /attitude on the day and your attitude back to them
now that has been really excalated , with lots of info being put out , but no on eos rock solid on what to expect when they surface with a bag of crays
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That very question was answered by fisheries in the Carter case
“27 Fisheries Officer Demir was asked in cross examination about fishing for rock lobsters by pot. Her evidence was that with the use of pots, the rock lobster is able to escape after being attracted to entering the pot by the bait”
Pots still allow the cray to enter or escape (although I havent heard of many crays leaving pots)
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I’ve sure had a few get out
I’ve sure had a few get out of my catch bag though.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
hezzy
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well what if you swim the
well what if you swim the surface with your catch bag open ?? would that not then allow crays to be able to escape also ?/
what about big jummy females with tar spot who stay in pots ??
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tot
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Had a chat today
with fisheries at the ramp. They are saying you will get done surfacing with more than the legal catch - no sorting on the boat.
His big thing was that Bret surfacerd with a over 20 in his bag and there being crays already on the boat. He mentioned sorting underwater should not be a issue and that everyone should be able to count to 8.
I should have asked if tail clipping still needs to be done, whats the point (just to stop re sale?)
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tot will they give that
tot will they give that opinion to anybody in writing ??
at present their seems to lots of info forthcoming from ''fisheries ''who speak about this or that ...but not a current clear guide that is legally defendable
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tot
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not likely is it lol
its still very muddy water.
Has there been any kind of press release regarding the Take now the season has started?
I agree with PeteD's outline.
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That'll throw a spanner in the works
If thats gospel.
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Don't forget the Act over
Don't forget the Act over rides the guide.
So if nothing has changed in the act...... then nothing has changed..... and that is how fisheries will get people this season, I will be dropping my pot and see how many crays it can catch in 1 hr during the day light hrs.
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
Swompa
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Date Joined: 14/10/12
I wonder if I can put my bag
I wonder if I can put my bag in the put and just pull it up like that?
tiimmbo
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Date Joined: 16/08/09
I tried to keep count today
I tried to keep count today when diving but it didn’t last too long, think I got to 6 before I lost track of where I was at. Some of the spots we jam ourselves into diving in dark caves it’s hard enough getting a cray into the bag let alone trying to measure it.
little johnny
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Date Joined: 04/12/11
As mentioned earlyier
It’s not in the act , pretty sure has to go through court system to get it legislation. Guide means nothing. And officers all have different opionions, so there word means nothing. Haven’t got new guide yet. But is there anything in small print about guide only a guide ect ect.?
Walfootrot
Posts: 1385
Date Joined: 23/07/12
Here you go John From the
Here you go John
From the back page of the guide 2017-2018
"About this guide
This publication is to provide assistance or
information. It is only a guide and does not
replace the Fish Resources Management Act
1994 or the Fish Resources Management
Regulations 1995. It cannot be used as a
defence in a court of law."
Just love the last line.
So gents nothing has changed.
Its still clear as mud.
cheers Pete
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
timboon
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Date Joined: 14/11/10
Tot well done for broaching
Tot well done for broaching the subject with the Fishpigs and Hezzy even weller ( sorry Freo supporters but couldn't help myself ) done for asking that question.....
I don't really dive, well i grab abs but i'm a surface dweller so Crays and diving doesn't affect me but as a rec fisho i still want to stand up for what is right....
I suggest you divers go in and ask ( record convo on your phone in your pocket ) at your local fishpigs branch what the rules now are and whether sorting on the boat still applies....
Be cheeky enough to ask them about whether you can load a pot up and then retrieve it, go so far as to ask whether you can jam your whole catch bag into sai pot....
I'm tempted to do it just for the sake of it even though like i mentioned i dont dive for crays....
If enough people strolled through those doors voicing their concerns and showing how actually ridiculous the devisive diver vs potter laws are then surely the dumb kkkknts would get the messgae and bring some common sense back into this whole bullshit arguement...
To be clear on my stance on this i am not here stating i think Brett was 100% in the clear but unless he was busted bringing more than 8 back to the ramp then i see no wrong doing!!!!
Moist and Salty
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Date Joined: 28/10/14
This is a good point.
This is a good point. They'll talk down to you when you ask the cheeky questions but it'll clear things up with no repurcussions to the diver
Jackfrost80
Posts: 8156
Date Joined: 07/05/12
Fishpigs hahaha. That's
Fishpigs hahaha. That's better than Raildogs for the Transperth ticket checkers.
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
beachsoul
Posts: 215
Date Joined: 14/06/12
I haven't followed this
I haven't followed this closely but this is my 2 cents......
I think I will just keep on doing it my way......
Try to get only slightly oversize crays (It's a struggle to gauge crays underwater ), go one or two more than my bag limit ( not 2 x ) and release the smallest or pass on to my dive buddies if they haven't bagged out, measure in the boat, be respectful to fisheries officers and hopefully be treated in a respectful manner in return.
If you abuse fisheries or police you can expect and deserve a hard time. That is just a stupid thing to do....
Marineboy
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Date Joined: 14/03/14
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My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !