opinions on new and near new outboards 2stroke/4stroke makes/models?

Gday,

As some of you may have read my plans to put my old outboard on my boat didnt work out as planned, and with abit of time to think i have decided to spend abit of time and money investing in a new or near new outboard in the 80 to 100hp bracket just chasing abit of food for thourght on makes/models 2stroke /4stroke? I have never had a new motor before so any info would be great.

 cheers


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yammy 2 or 4 best by far

Thu, 2010-05-27 10:18

yammy 2 or 4 best by far cant beat em

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I heard there was a class

Thu, 2010-05-27 10:29

I heard there was a class action against yammy because there was so many problems with them. I have a Suzuki 90 4 stroke absolutely beautiful motor.smooth very quite and no fumes.it's about 2 yrs old and so far so good.

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Hearsay

Thu, 2010-05-27 10:47

Hearsay doesn't count for much. Only class action i'm aware of involves Yamaha Rhino ATV's and people tipping them.

Great outboards!

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Outboards

Thu, 2010-05-27 10:38

I have a 175 Mercury Optimax, and had a 115 Optimax prior to that, and if I upgrade, a Opti will be on the back of my next boat as well. I've had years of trouble free, economical boating with them!!

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I got a 90hp 2 stroke Yammy

Thu, 2010-05-27 10:39

I got a 90hp 2 stroke Yammy and cant fault it............... granted they are noisier than the 4 strokes, but when you are fishing they all sound the same

Steve

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Sea-kem you honestly would

Thu, 2010-05-27 10:43

Sea-kem you honestly would have to be kidding. Seriously on what or were did you hear that news?

There was a 80 4 stroke yamaha advertised in the weekends paper just gone. Not sure on details but was about $6000 from memory.

 

Rockingham boating center advertise motors a fare bit, as do Saltwater marine.

No issue with buying second hand but just do your homework first. Check what it came of, make sure it wasn't underpowered or worked to hard on its former boat or owner. Check it hasn't lived in the water full time. If it has just check the relevant parts for corrosion.

Lastly always get a full written price for everything included.  

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No I'm not kidding mate, and

Thu, 2010-05-27 10:57

No I'm not kidding mate, and i'm fairly sure that i read about it on this site.Why would I make something like that up? I'll stand corrrected. I personally know a guy with a yammy roughly 6months old and the startermotor shat itself lucky someone was around to help 20ks out to sea. Now that's what I call reliabillity.....

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Seriously one starter motor

Thu, 2010-05-27 11:52

Seriously one starter motor is the best you've got. And you read it somewhere.

Not picking a fight but maybe you shouldn't repeat inaccurate or unsubstantiated truths..

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Not picking a Fight? Well

Thu, 2010-05-27 15:16

Not picking a Fight? Well that's twice you've had a shot at me. I've obviously hit a nerve somewhere.And don't lecture me matey.

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mate i wouldnt take it to

Thu, 2010-05-27 16:39

mate i wouldnt take it to heart but if you are gonna quote rumour you have to expect to be set straight . as for rod not lecturing ya he is the one of the people who could and you should listen to .. being in the industry he has alot more knowledge than you probably think . if any man on here is going to know it would probably be him

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Yamaha

Thu, 2010-05-27 11:53

Dont want to turn this into a one sided yamaha thread but..... Currently running two 2stroke yamahas one is brand new 30hp still running it in tho so early days but no issues yet.

Other is a 2003  70hp purchased with 150 hours on it, bought 5 years ago. Currently on around 700 hours. always been regualrly serviced never had an issue and still starts instantly first time, every time and runs as good as the day i got it. 

I reckon just do plenty of homework and listen to peoples expiriences. All brands have motors that go on to last the test of time and all brands u would think would have duds come of their production line.

What ever u chose just make sure its looked after and regularly serviced and it'll look after u.

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all you have to do is

Thu, 2010-05-27 12:31

all you have to do is mention yammys and its 1 sided who would insuld the yammys by mentioning another manufacturer as better (this is a comment intended not to offend and be seen meerly as a good joke)
brenz

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No offence

Thu, 2010-05-27 22:12

No offence taken i'm yamaha all the way!! :)

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under 100HP I would be hard

Thu, 2010-05-27 12:56

under 100HP I would be hard pressed to get a four stroke. More weight and less power for HP rating generally. Had a 115 etec that was flawless and would not hesitate to get the 90. Bigger motors is a bit different, as the weight factor becomes less as an overall % of weight on the boat. I say pick your poison and track down the best deal. In reality I don't think any of them are really better/worse. Yammie had/have a great finance deal at present, but if you are paying cash not so much of a biggie.

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yammie

Thu, 2010-05-27 14:32

been running a 90 hp power 2 stroke for years, no dramas

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Black Anchors

Thu, 2010-05-27 15:14

Anything thats not black for me .

Had a honda 90 which was great .......Had Yammy 200 2 stroke which was fantastic

Had Evinrudes and still got a 70 Johnson .......all faultless.

But I had one black anchor ,which was the biggest piece of shite ever assembled !  

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Black anchor

Thu, 2010-05-27 15:23

Ahhh... the great outboard debate. Gets me out and back in safely,want to elaborate on your issues with them??

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Black Anchor

Thu, 2010-05-27 15:42

Was on a Frazer 6m that I had at the time and about six months after I bought her the brown band 115hp that was on the back started giving me grief.

Wouldn't run above 2500 rpm without breaking down.

I had several people look at it for me over the next few months ,each with their own theory on what needed to be replaced ........I lost faith in the outboard and put the 200 Yamaha on the back of it instead .

Had a great run with that until I sold her in 2000.

Never liked anything black since . haha

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Black anchors

Thu, 2010-05-27 16:24

I've always bought new, and despite some very minor "teething problems", they have served me well.[none of which required a tow] 

I have nothing at all against any other make, as I've got no justified input, but I can say I trust my donk to take me 50km out and 50km back in, without costing a fortune.

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hahaha black anchor there

Thu, 2010-05-27 16:43

hahaha black anchor there not even good for that they fall apart to quik drop em down by the tim ya finished al ya bring back up is the stainless prop hahaha

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Mercs

Thu, 2010-05-27 17:31

If one of those esky lids in the background of your avatar is your boat , you'd know f#@ck-all about "proper" fishing.

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lol but the one thing about

Thu, 2010-05-27 17:35

lol but the one thing about my esky lid in the background that puts it above yor vessle is mine runs a yammy hahahahahaha. as for real fishhing i recon ive nailed the same species outa that boat as what you have on yours haha

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*all my comments steve are

Thu, 2010-05-27 17:38

*all my comments steve are not a dig, just plain fun with no harm intended*
as i actually owned a merc for a while with not 1 hickup .

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go the yammy

Thu, 2010-05-27 18:35

mate, try estuary marine mandurah, steve what sort of f#@ked up comment is that, proper fishing what a laugh get a sense of humour mate most real fishos have one

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Now C'mon

Thu, 2010-05-27 18:53

Where's your sense of humour Mussels???

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yammie

Thu, 2010-05-27 16:44

both a 2-4 stoke 60 and not a problem.

but suzuki make a great motor.

mates in the game indicate mercury have intake problems as the intake is small so you always end uo cleaning it out.........not my words just indicates of their professional dealings in the guiding industry.

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**BRENZ** wouldn't have been a certain 18hp brownband merc??

Thu, 2010-05-27 17:49

cannot beat the yammies mate two or four stroke imo speak to someone at boatcity for prices they are very competitive

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sure was stilly what a rippa

Thu, 2010-05-27 17:51

sure was stilly what a rippa that was .. ya remember it ?

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hahaha vaguely

Thu, 2010-05-27 17:53

hahaha vaguely brendon........you can be like me bias slightly mercury engines as a "whole" are piles of puss

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rofl.... for what its woth

Thu, 2010-05-27 17:57

rofl.... for what its woth all jokes aside i will be getting a new yammy when funds prevail

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Brenz, why do you need a new

Sat, 2010-05-29 20:16

Brenz, why do you need a new one if they are so good ? lol . I have 3 yammis and love em.  ps thanks for that Dhuie spot earlier in the year.

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honda all the way!

Thu, 2010-05-27 19:39

honda all the way!

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personal choice

Thu, 2010-05-27 20:26

Ferret , its personal choice on motors, i have owned  12 boats in 16 years every one had a different motor and every one had its issues and good points , some more than others, you will hear good reports and the bad ones , do the research and listen to every comments only from guys who will tell you the truth about their motors not bullshit, most name brands these days will keep your rig going for a long time , but this will depend on how you use it and maintain it, shit happens occasionaly to everyone and then it needs fixing, getting it fixed properly by a good dealer etc will be the next issue and how much you pay.

Modern 2 strokes have all of their good points and smell of oil in general, 4 strokes heavier and slower of the mark,  try going out on other boats to make your choice and then it will always get done to how much your willing to pay.

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never had a problem with any

Thu, 2010-05-27 20:57

never had a problem with any new motor I have owned ( mec 2 stoke honda 4 and suzuki 4 ) am sure you will be right with any new motor you get

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As per all threads about

Fri, 2010-05-28 13:08

As per all threads about outboards its ended up as ford vs Holden again.

I may be responsible for some of this because of my comments but honestly i was just simply pointing out something that was completely wrong for the purpose of giving correct info.

 

Its true i'm a Yamaha man but i think the thread was about second hand motors so there in lie's your biggest hurdle. You don't always get a choice of what you want second hand. Sometimes you have to get what is being dealt up at the time.

 

My input should be that there is nothing wrong with second hand engines. Hell i would struggle to buy new myself. Get things checked out and you'll save thousands.

I actually own a 75 hp merc about a 1995 model and other than the fact that is not a Yamaha i can't complain.

As for saying black anchors i really think 20 year old outboards don't really count when we are talking newer technology. Up to the last 10 years or so thing s are much more comparative between brands. Other than a few inherant issues that some companies had that we all learn to live with or disconnect or just plain put up with the negatives.  

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Well said Rod

Sat, 2010-05-29 20:22

Well said Rod Wink shhh, don't mention Moto GP lol Laughing

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ETEC

Sat, 2010-05-29 20:37

Have a look at an Etec, very economical, quiet running and heaps of power low down to get you over the hump on take off. I have a 60hp Etec with 300 hrs fitted to an all 4mm plate ali and on a days fishing at the islands cover around 80-90nm for under 50 litres cruising on 4-4500rpm =18-21knots.

If I had to replace it , it would definitely be another Etec.
Have had experience with nearly all brands and sizes up to 150hp outboards over the year5s and this IMO beats them all.