Parking Ocean Reef WARNING
Submitted by ledge64 on Tue, 2016-10-25 22:09
Rangers are now patrolling the car park every morning at Ocean Reef from 5am to catch the early morning cray fishers and booking everyone that does not dispaly a parking ticket BE AWARE
kknlk
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If you don't have a parking
If you don't have a parking ticket you deserve it. After all you've invested big $$ in your boat and stuff and you want to avoid paying for parking?!!
JacksonL
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Ranger was there this
Ranger was there this morning, lazy bugger never left his car, just drove up and down looking for the ticket on the dash, reckon I could have folded my fuel receipt up and gotten away with it.
Ninety Mile
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kknlk - you my friend are an
kknlk - you my friend are an idiot, it is completely rediculous that you need to pay a $10 parking ticket to spend an hour before work checking your pots. Its got nothing to do with how much you can afford to invest in boating, its local council taking advantage of its rates payers. Abosulte extortion. You dont see them down there every morning through the week in any other period! On top of Rego, Fuel, Bait, fishing Licenses, Local rates and now $10 / hour parking tickets - for that the should be valeting our bloody car and trailer.
Shimka
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You really think it's worth
You really think it's worth getting fired up about parking at a ramp when people are getting charged twice that by Subiaco council when they need to park at PMH to get treatment or visit sick kids day after day, sometimes for weeks or months on end? How about you stop bitching about how hard done by you are & worry about the people in the world that really are hard done by? Those ramps & marinas have to be paid for somehow. Get over it or don't go. Pretty simple.
sea-kem
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Actually totally agree with
Actually totally agree with you there, it's a privilege not a necessity.
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Shimka
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First time for everything ;-)
First time for everything ;-)
Ben85
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just because someone else is
Shimka - just because someone else is doing it harder, doesn't mean it's OK. You seem to believe the tax, rates & licenses we pay for count for nothing?? you need your head read mate.
Shimka
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You mean the licence fees
You mean the licence fees that cover the cost of building boat harbours & ramps, maintenance etc? The taxes that pay for roads, insurance, schools, hospitals, rubbish collection etc? The rates that pay for the rangers, verge collections, parks the kids play in, libraries they learn at? How much do you want given to you for the couple of grand licence & tax on your vehicles & fuel you pay out each year? That stuff costs hundreds of millions each year & at a guess there's only 15 or so million aussies that actually pay those things. Do the math & then try to tell me that your copping a raw deal.
I agree that specific targeting to raise revenue is wrong but things like boat ramps are luxuries that we simply do no need so if you have to pay a bit extra for luxury, so be it. It would be nice to see this much passion put into defending those that have no choice (like parents with sick kids in hospital) rather than defending those that are just out there to have a bit of fun & get a cheap feed. If you don't like it, go pay $55 a kilo for your feed of crays. The bottom line is that your still getting a cheaper feed of crays even if all of your costs were doubled. Doesn't sound like something to complain about really.
Ben85
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just have to agree to
just have to agree to disagree mate. two very different mentalities.
Shimka
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I'll agree to that :-)
I'll agree to that :-)
Marineboy
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Parking
$10 for 8 crayfish, what a bargain !!!!!!
My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !
Starbug
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$10...... if you dont want
$10...... if you dont want pay, no one is forcing to go.
The council has a few acres of prime beach real estate, millions of dollars in infrastructure, and an ongoing maintence budget. $10 is not unreasonable.
If you are a regular, buy a 12 month pass.
randall df223
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Ninety Mile
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Not disputing parking fees in
Not disputing parking fees in their entirety, but holding poeple to a full day pass for an hour in the morning, and having rangers target it is unfair in my opinion. If they had hourly parking then fair play, absolutely no reason why that cant be done on the new state of the art machines.
sea-kem
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Yeah agree a fee needs to be
Yeah agree a fee needs to be inplace to maintain these infrastructures they provide. But $10 an hour?? Is that true? I would have thought 3 or $4 would be the norm as it is at the Leeuwin ramp. Still exorbitant but needed. It's a privelledge to be able to use these facillities not everyone can afford a boat and trailer and be out crayfishing every morning so stop whinging lol
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JacksonL
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$9.80 for the full day, so
$9.80 for the full day, so if you're only there an hour then yeah it's $9.80 an hour, no option to pay half days or per hour. Walked over to the launch ramps and gave our ticket to another bloke on the way out this morning, hoping for good fishing karma on the next trip.
Ninety Mile
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$10 for an hour if you are
$10 for an hour if you are checking your pots in the morning. Outside of that no porblem paying the $10, but to have rangers target morning cray pot pullers and to have no hourly option in the machines is taking the piss. Anyone who thinks thats fair must have came into easy money. Its a matter of principle, I dont think the wealthy would get to where they are being taken advantage of like that!
Jackfrost80
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Troy Pickard is the man you
Troy Pickard is the man you want to talk to
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randall df223
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Ocean reef is $9.50 for a
Ocean reef is $9.50 for a full day and not required for cars without trailers.
It is not a parking fee!
It is a fee to use the ramp. Thats all.
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Jackfrost80
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It's actually a parking fee
It's actually a parking fee for vehicles with trailers.
If you lived nearby you could get your Mrs to drive the trailer back home and then drive it back down when you head back in if you wanted to.
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Subaquatic
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Its a launching fee.Its the
Its a launching fee.
Its the only way they can collect it, short of having a ticket booth/boom gate down the bottom.
Jackfrost80
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People can launch and not
People can launch and not pay a fee. People cannot launch and park there without paying a fee. Therefore it's a parking fee for vehicles with trailers.
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z00m
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Launching fee
The city of Joondalup calls it a launching fee. The same as sometimes you can park there and not pay, sometimes you can launch there and not pay. They decide you haven't paid the launch fee if your car and trailer are in the carpark without a boat on it and you don't have a ticket.
www.joondalup.wa.gov.au/Explore/Beaches/Activities.aspx
There are two boat-launching ramps within the City. One is located at Hillarys Boat Harbour (Northside Dr) and another can be found at the Ocean Reef Boat Harbour (Boat Harbour Quays). Launching fees are applicable and contain ample parking for vehicles and boat trailers.
Offence: 2.4(1) Park contrary to requirements where a ticket is required to be displayed.
I wonder if you can park your car with a boat on the trailer for free?
Jackfrost80
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Cow shit is also called
Cow shit is also called manure. It's still cow shit
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Subaquatic
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I can park my car and box
I can park my car and box trailer there and not pay the fee, so your rule is wrong.
Just because you CAN get around it, doesn't mean its a parking fee.
As just stated , its a launching fee (with a loophole) Clearly written into the local by-laws, and displayed as such.
Jackfrost80
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Thanks for the info Troy.So
Thanks for the info Troy, see my comment directly above.
So what if I used a box trailer to launch a dinghy?
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Subaquatic
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Who's Troy?Launch a boat,
Who's Troy?
Launch a boat, pay the fee. It's pretty simple.
sea-kem
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Jackfrost80
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So a dinghy on a box trailer
So a dinghy on a box trailer is ok?
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Belly Fish
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Launching fee
I was once told this is a launching and retrieving fee, rather than parking, hence the fixed fee. Personally, I buy the annual permit. Let's be honest guys, the cost of an annual permit is insignificant in the total scheme of boat ownership costs.
carnarvonite
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DoT
Dept of Transport are the ones who put in and maintain the ramps, the councils only have to look after the carparks and upkeep on the ticket machines.
So in my book its a bit steep but then I don't live or fish down there any more
West Coast
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Blood sucking thieves.
The fines go into general revenue to help pay for BS like local government advertising trying to justify the huge beuracracy they run, or for 1st class tickets overseas attending conferences on saving money!!!
Ashen
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??
$10 to spend a day on the water. Money well spent in my opinion. As already mentioned by some members, if you launch more than 1-2 times a month, buy the annual pass.
A fish in the hand is worth 10 in the water!
Jackfrost80
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The issue is the flat fee
The issue is the flat fee regardless of time spent out there
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randall df223
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I get my deckies to
I get my deckies to contribute to an annual pass just for the crays. They get a share of the crays, i get an annual pass. Win win
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uncle
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Hillarys is 8.20
but they give no change so hsve the right amount.thieves!
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Paul_86
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What's an annual parking
What's an annual parking permit worth for ocean reef and where do I get one?
randall df223
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$170 city of joondalup.
$170 city of joondalup. Need your trailer rego papers.
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Ashen
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Paul, the form can be
Paul, the form can be downloaded here:
http://www.joondalup.wa.gov.au/Explore/Beaches/Activities.aspx
Not sure on the annual fee. I think its about $150
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Paul_86
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Cheers mate!
Cheers mate!
uncle
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And if its in shire of joondalap
it should be good for both ramps
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Jackfrost80
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I enquired about this and was
I enquired about this and was told that Hillarys is under control of DoT and OR the CoJ.
Funny how CoJ Rangers patrol both carparks to write fines...
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timboon
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So you pay your boat rego,
So you pay your boat rego, your skippers ticket, your car rego, your rates, your fishing license and you have to pay $10 to use the ramp for an hour, fuck that....
You Perthys can have it....
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sstevee
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If the car park is ever full
If the car park is ever full don't park on one of the curbs completely out of the way... you'll get a fine... even if you have paid the fee... Apparently not parking in a dedicated bay is reason enough for a fine, even if you've paid the fee to launch and it's the day after Boxing Day... so is it a launch fee or parking fee?
randall df223
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Oh for fuck sake people! We
Oh for fuck sake people! We are privileged to be able to drive to a nice ramp and put out boat in and moor it against a nice floating jetty, in an area that is surrounded and protected by a nice rocky groyne. And the entrance to the marina is lit by pretty red and green lights so we can make a safe passage in and out at dark. Now there is also a lovely new filleting station so you dont need to mess up your beautiful clean kitchens....
And you want all this for nothing???
No wonder the younger generation are growing up as the "entitled" generation. Look at the example being set.
We are all very lucky to have these things available to us.
I am sure there are villages in the world that would love to actually have a school were their children could be educated, or clean water. What a treat that would be! Having a basic necessity of life available.
Stop your whinging and appreciate what you have got and be grateful you have a choice to pay a fee to use it, or not to pay a fee and dont use it!
Rant over.
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Jackfrost80
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It's not like the State Govt
It's not like the State Govt built this infrastructure out of the goodness of their hearts. We've already paid for this and they are raping us with a daily rate for hourly use
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Ninety Mile
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The further you lean over
The further you lean over Randall the harder they will fuck mate. You must work for the bloody council! Does the rest of the community pay tolls for public funded infrastructure only they use, i didnt think so!
sea-kem
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Ha ha they will be soon
Ha ha they will be soon mate, a lot of research is going into road tolls as per Eastern states, watch this space.
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randall df223
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No i dont work for a local
No i dont work for a local council. And please give me an specific example of publicly funded infrastructure that is used EXCLUSIVELY for a recreation group or club at no cost? Sporting ovals? Arent exclusive. Recreational areas? Arent exclusive. Public open space? Not exclusive. Rec centres? Not free. Give me an example where free exclusive use is in place.
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Jackfrost80
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Here's a few off the top of
Here's a few off the top of my head:
Woodman Point ramp, Point Peron ramp. Maylands boat ramp, Katanning St ramp, Memorial Drive ramp, Dawesville ramp, Furnisdale ramp, Mary St ramp, old Dunsborough ramp, Quindalup ramp, Abbey Beach ramp, Busselton marina, Two Rocks marina, Nairn Rd ramp.
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sea-kem
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I think you need to read
I think you need to read Randall's question again ;)
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Jackfrost80
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I'm reading but I am not
I'm reading but I am not getting your point. The question was asked "give a specific example of publicly funded infrastructure that is used EXCLUSIVELY for a recreation group or club at no cost"
A number boat ramps across WA are publically funded and used exclusively by the boating community at no cost and I named a whole bunch of them...
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sea-kem
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No he asked if used
No he asked if used exclusively for a club or recreation group, so that means no one else (meaning the general public ) gets access. And I think recreation group is basically a club not general public. Every club I know has to pay rent and fees to local council.
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Jackfrost80
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Boat users are a recreation
Boat users are a recreation group that use it exclusively. Well at least the last few times I've used a ramp I haven't seen people playing bocce on the ramps anyway.
If Leeuwin and Matilda Bay ramps can get by and maintain those facilities with hourly tickets then so can Hillarys, OR and Mindarie. It’s just gouging of boat owners.
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dodgy
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Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
sstevee
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Haha, settle down Randall,
Haha, settle down Randall, you're showing your age
I personally don't have a problem at all with paying the fee, but maybe I should get my Deckies to chip in so I don't have to 
hehe, on a serious note I agree with what you're saying, just stirring..
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meglodon
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Exactley
That is right on the money.
Subaquatic
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Why should time on the water
Why should time on the water change the cost of using the ramp?
You are paying for the ramp, not the time in the car park.
id be pissed off if the bloke who went out for an hour paid less than me who went out for a whole day. Both used the same ramp, both used the same finger jetty, both used the same wash down facilities.
Jackfrost80
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Your arguement is worthless
Your arguement is worthless until they actually start charging a fee for using the ramp. Currently they only charge you for parking a vehicle and trailer in the carpark
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z00m
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Launching fee
As I showed you earlier in this thread it is a launching fee. Not a parking fee, not a retrieving fee, not a dismantling your car fee, it's just a launching fee.
If you get a parking ticket you should contest it. You will get the same infringement I also detailed above which is probably the default offence for all activities contravening a sign.
Jackfrost80
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Explain how it is a
Explain how it is a launching fee if you can get your Mrs to come, launch your boat and get her to drive home and pay no fee?
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z00m
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Launch fee
If you launch and don't pay the fee you can be fined.
Not sure the trained monkeys that patrol the car park understand that though.
You would think the gummint hires the smartest people wouldn't you?
Jackfrost80
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That didn't asnwer the
That didn't answer the question. How can you be fined for parking in your own driveway?
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Subaquatic
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You cant and wont be fined.
You cant and wont be fined. Currently, the only mechanism the council has to raise revenue for the use of facilities is to use the existing parking by-laws and system. There is a modification for boats with trailers so as not to penalise single vehicles/other users.
Im sure if you lobby the council, find enough support, and can justify the reasons, a new by-law can be created, a different payment system implemented, and better enforcement laws put in place......I reckon you may be a little grateful for your current loophole once you see the cost of this though.
So yes, you can cheat the system, share tickets, use your own driveway etc etc....but I reckon someone has already done the math and worked out the loss of revenue is far less than the cost of a bespoke system.
sea-kem
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Why don't you just give it
Why don't you just give it up, you're dribbling shit now
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Jackfrost80
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I'll give up when you admit
I'll give up when you admit East Perth's last 3 flags are tainted
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sea-kem
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Tainted with what? You're
Tainted with what? You're the only one barking about them being unfairly won.
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merdel12
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Well there's new machines
Well there's new machines down at the leuwin boat ramp in East freo. You now have to put your rego in and it's displayed on the ticket. Stops you from giving your day pass to the next bloke after your done. $$$
Subaquatic
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How dare they try and stop
How dare they try and stop law breakers.....to hell with them all I say.
merdel12
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How is that breaking the
How is that breaking the law. If you buy a ticket that entitles you a bay in the car park for an entire day but then give away your ticket after a few hours then so what? That bay has still been payed for.
Subaquatic
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Its a fee to launch a boat,
Its a fee to launch a boat, that entitles you to a parking bay. Not a parking bay that entitles you to launch a boat.
So if you pass a ticket to someone else, you have avoided paying to launch your boat, and effectively been fraudulent.
Jackfrost80
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What would happen if I left
What would happen if I left my clearly dry boat on my trailer in a bay there all day?
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Subaquatic
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Technically, you shouldn't
Technically, you shouldn't need to pay.
Jackfrost80
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I'm happy to test this out to
I'm happy to test this out to ascertain whether it's a launching fee or a parking fee if you're happy to stump up the cost of any fines incurred.
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timboon
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Randall so you think paying,
Randall so you think paying, Boat Rego, fishing license and a skippers ticket ( which i refuse to cough up the coin to do as there is no recognition of prior experience ) is paying nothing?
Sure the Skippers ticket is a once off but the rest are annual.
I left out the car rego and the rates because obviously road infrastructure is expensive and rates because depending on which shire you launch at may or may not be the one you pay rates to.
The revenue raised goes towards ALL that comes with amatuer fishing, if there are no ramps then that means less fishermen and that means less revenue...
Its all a huge flow on affect, you get a nice marina in the Hilarys area then house prices go up ( more rates revenue ) etc etc etc
Fuel, bait, squillions on gear, safety equipment that requires replacing its all big dollars for a state. Its in their best interest to keep people fishing.
You saying we pay nothing is BS,
I'm not sitting here saying we shouldnt pay anything either but $170 a yr or $10 a day is steep, anyway i guess you have to like it or lump it living there.
randall df223
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Where have i said you pay
Where have i said you pay nothing? I have said everyone should stop complaining about their first world problems.
Its called living in a developed civilization, thats what it is. It all costs money.
And you are wrong about the rec skippers ticket, because prior experience was taken into account. I have my rec skippers ticket, having never sat an assessment. Why? Because i already had my coxswain ticket and i was a qualified small boat handling instructor when they bought it in.
Boat rego - helps pay for the up keep of a database so the authorities know who to bring your boat back to when it gets stolen, helps pay for safety officers to be out there inspecting and educating mariners, helps pay for the up keep of navigation markers.
Fishing licence fees goes towards programs like restocking the rivers with prawns and mulloway, restocking pink snapper, installing rtifical reefs.
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Ninety Mile
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Randall, your already paying
Randall, your already paying for it! Before the parking/launching fee's. I wish you were one of my Clients / Customers! I'd have a field day!
randall df223
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How am i already paying for
How am i already paying for it? I am not a rate payer in tbe city of joondalup. How am i paying for the up keep of the facilities if i dont pay my launching fee (which i always pay)
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Subaquatic
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Dale
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They should have it like everywhere else, take a ticket when you arrive, and pay when you leave for the time you spend. Easy peasy.
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meglodon
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Exactly agree with you Dale
If it's a parking fee only pay for the time you are parked there.
Bryce Day
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they should knock all the
they should knock all the ramps down and just beach launch everywhere!
or it should all be free. no way will I use a ramp I have to pay for parking
on that note is it free parking in exmouth? I'm going up on 14th November.
randall df223
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Was in August
Was in August
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Subaquatic
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you still do t get it
Jack, you still dont get it huh?
Guess I'll just keep paying my parking fee when I use the ramp.
Wayne77
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Glad we are all so happy to
Glad we are all so happy to keep paying next year it will probably go up again , might be a first world problem but im f^%kin sick of paying out in every direction and think the amount of tax i pay on everything should cover these sort of public places having said that a small fee would be acceptable.
Ninety Mile
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mate with the clowns on here
mate with the clowns on here you will be paying a fee to take a piss out of your boat soon!
Lastchance
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Haha, I can hear it now
Haha, I can hear it now '....its called being part of a civilised nation to have a dick to piss out of, you must pay!'
Jackfrost80
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If the feminists had their
If the feminists had their way they'd bring this in tomorrow to subsidise the GST on tampons
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thesupervisor
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im happy to pay althogh the
im happy to pay
althogh the people taking the money should bear some responsibility for car break inns or at very least provide some form of security to combat it
getting the bottom line final answer from a bunch of blokes that use false names and put smiley faces at the end of paragraphs is not the best place in the world to get the information you seek.
meglodon
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Arrrh now we are getting some where
Now we are getting some where, you pay to park at the train stations when you use the train. And they have a roving patrol that takes a look every so often, why don't they, or do they patrol the boat ramp parking areas "showing the flag".
It could be that as they look for non paying customers they are also providing a deterrent for thieves and other low life that go looking for cars to plunder.