Parking Ocean Reef WARNING
Submitted by ledge64 on Tue, 2016-10-25 22:09
Rangers are now patrolling the car park every morning at Ocean Reef from 5am to catch the early morning cray fishers and booking everyone that does not dispaly a parking ticket BE AWARE
sea-kem
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I guess that's the Ranger's
I guess that's the Ranger's job to patrol, issue fines and keep an eye for scum bags.
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dodgy
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What are these fees? Never
What are these fees? Never see them at woodies or pt peron.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
uncle
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Just hope their getting all those
clowns that park down tho bottom on the kerbs etc
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uncle
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Any way
thanks for the heads up Ledge.might save someone some grief. is the coffee ladie there yet.pots going in soon
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Rob H
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Ramp rage, and not a boat in sight!
ahhh, its nice to live regional sometimes.
Possible new facilities north of Gero may be in the pipeline, fingers crossed
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I still call the Marina there
I still call the Marina there the 'New' Marina haha.
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Rob H
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same here, even though the
same here, even though the "old ramp" has been refurbed.
We have a good setup in Gero, just a pity they are so close together
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dodgy
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One at Corro and one at
One at Corro and one at Greenough would be lovely.
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Ninety Mile
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In any case, i brought this
In any case, i brought this to the local members attention yesterday and he is writing to the city of Joondalup. If we get a positive outcome the poeple here who are happy being taken from behind can start throwing their money into the water. Ive suggested one of two solutions:
1. Hourly or half day Parking/launching fee be applied to the machines (those who have used them would see they are disigned for various durations)
2. Failing that, tickets only required after 8am throught Nov/Dec.
I have no objection to paying for parking / launching for a day on the water but being targeted for an early morning pot pull is beyond a joke, and for those willing to cop that then I hate to know what else you turn over for!
Subaquatic
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I will put my hand up , and
I will put my hand up , and go on the record as objecting to this proposal.
Why should you get out of paying because you pull pots before 8AM. You use the ramp, finger jetty and facilities for the exact same time and amount as I do. You should pay the same as I do.
Why is the ramp cheaper to build and maintain just because you are only out for an hour?
Ninety Mile
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Well i'm going on record to
Well i'm going on record to say you are an absolute flog mate and the reason things keep going up and up and up. You probbaly dont even use the ramp, but if you did you would know that you have paid for many years to use a substandard ramp which if anything damaged boats. Now its has been corrected you support ticket inspectors targeting people lauching boats at 5am through the week. Well fuck you mate i'm speaking up for the silent majority here and calling you a fuck wit.
Subaquatic
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Great response! Your maturity
Great response! Your maturity is outstanding. Well done.
Jackfrost80
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Wow that esculated!
Wow that esculated! No need for personal attacks.
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Ninety Mile
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Fair enough, no need for the
Fair enough, no need for the personal attack, heat of the moment. Unfortunately cant edit replys to posts! not sure why
Shimka
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You can only edit your posts
You can only edit your posts until another person posts in the thread. Once somebody else posts in the thread you can't edit your own post. I'll give you credit for recognising what you said to the other member was out of line though.
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Surely your account's been
Surely your account's been hacked or you're on the sauce or meth. For being a member this long and hurling a personal attack like that makes you the flog.
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Shimka
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Well done 90, you're actually
Well done 90, you're actually making me look good. I count a total of one flog on here atm. I wonder if you can guess who that is?
Ninety Mile
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agree, cant seem to edit
agree, cant seem to edit post, heat of the moment
randall df223
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Plus one for that. You
Plus one for that. You launch a boat = you pay a fee. Simple.
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Hey Ledge I hope this wasn't
Hey Ledge I hope this wasn't meant to be a Friday funny lol
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Ben85
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with amount of income tax,
with amount of income tax, rates, GST, licenses and host of other indirect taxes we pay, I can't believe what I'm reading on here. World's gone mad
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Come see what it costs to
Come see what it costs to run a small business with taxes every way I turn and then you get your quarterlt BAS that wipes out ya cash flow. You'd shed tears.
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Starbug
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It costs big money to
It costs big money to maintain launching ramp and the associated infrastructure.
Most of the wear and tear is launching your boat. Heavy vehicles with trailered boats take their toll on bitumised surfaces, powering onto a trailer washes out the bottoms of ramps. etc...... So why shouldn't the pot pullers pay their fair share
Run a few figures.... Ocean Reef has 155 trailer bays. Lets say due to weather, week days etc it has a 25% average capacity over a year...... at $10 a launch.
It will pull in around $142K a year.
Take away, providing toilets, wash down, parking, lighting, drainage, patroling, rubbish colection....... I think the council would be making SFA.
Jackfrost80
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There's only one fair way to
There's only one fair way to sort this out. Woodman's Point and Point Person users are charged a $5 'launching fee' and the funds are used to subsidise those that live on the good side of the river and launch at Hillarys, OR and Mindarie
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dodgy
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I think the 'good' side can
I think the 'good' side can just keep on funding sor ramps all day long.
What you really need is a couple more nationals seats in the city. Those seats get new marinas allocated.
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As long as you keep all the
As long as you keep all the jetty rats over your side
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Geez you NOR mob are all
Geez you NOR mob are all feral .. I think you should all be screened for whingeeitis prior to crossing any bridge SOR and if accepted a $10 daypass visa issued and don't overstay your welcome .
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I can't afford the vaccines
I can't afford the vaccines required to cross the Narrows due to ramp fees
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Shimka
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HAHA, you SOR lot are just
HAHA, you SOR lot are just jealous because you know NOR has better fishing ;-)
aaasnapper
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Private facilities
I was trying to work out why some ramps a free and others are not.
After reading the Jetties Act 1926, private jetties are persuant to licence or Lease granted under the act. (section 8)
Therefore, places like Hillary's are classed as private facilities subject to a license/lease agreement. Hillary's is actually state owned, so it is potentially treated as private for sake of future sell off?
So I dont believe the fees are for upkeeping the facililites, rather rental fees payable to the government for use of the facility?
Hence, jetties constructed and maintained by local councils are exempt from these license or lease arrangments.
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DTrain
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As far as I know the ramp at
As far as I know the ramp at Hillaries is managed by the Department of Transport, Ocean Reef is City of Joondalup, Mindarie is private and Two Rocks used to be private but is now DoT.
Also Two Rocks is now free.
Iceman
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COJ sponsorship
The City of Joondalup provides annual sponsorship to a lot of volunteer groups in the Joondalup area including Surf Life saving anf Whitfords Volunteer Sea rescue. So you can be safe in the knowledge that some of the launching fees are going to support the local community.
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and good reason to pay them
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dumper
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Made the stupid mistake of
Made the stupid mistake of launching after 12 at hillaries on Saturday. Paid my "launching" fee then had to drive around for 20 minutes waiting for another boat trailer to leave as all the cuzzy bros are allowed to park in the boat trailer bays for free after 12
brown364
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Pay up
get your annual pass, enjoy the whole year of experiences with family and friends on the water and quit the bitching ffs. Yes people out there who are doing it harder and paying up for the Parking in Subiaco etc which does suck when shelling out for treatment as well. Rates, taxes and parking fees and all the others you can name may give us the shits when they are due , but you go to a country where they don't have these out of pocket inconveniences and you realise how much better they make our live and lifestyles.
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Like Broome?
Like Broome?
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brown364
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Pay up
get your annual pass, enjoy the whole year of experiences with family and friends on the water and quit the bitching ffs. Yes people out there who are doing it harder and paying up for the Parking in Subiaco etc which does suck when shelling out for treatment as well. Rates, taxes and parking fees and all the others you can name may give us the shits when they are due , but you go to a country where they don't have these out of pocket inconveniences and you realise how much better they make our live and lifestyles.
Jackfrost80
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I already have an annual pass
I already have an annual pass for Hillarys. Do you suggest I stick to the one ramps or buy annual passes for the other paid ones I use too?
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Marineboy
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Launch fees
ffs suck it up and accept the fees, (cheap in my opinion) where else can you get that sort of entertainment for $10. Cost $20 to go to the movies, can't bring a feed of fish or crays home from there. If you don't like it sell your boat and take up golf, oh hang on a minute golf costs $25 for a round these days, that's 2.1/2 launches at ocean reef and 3 at hillarys.
My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !
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Where Sao you play golf at
Where Sao you play golf at for $25 a round??
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kknlk
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Gee whiz has this issue
Gee whiz has this issue escalated or what. btw, it's not $10 as stated above Hillary's price is $8.20. Don't forget the 20cents. Don't know where they get that from, very bureaucratic. What I'm also annoyed with is that the Hillary's ticket machines take cash only. Are they behind the times or what. Technology has grown such that some machines (not boating ones) accept credit card payments from smart phones. At least they can update the machines so that we can use eftpos or credit card rather than have to carry a handful of coins. Now, if annual fee is $170 you'll have to go for more than 6 months to make it worthwhile unless it's just for the convenience and not needing to use the ticket machine.
Also, Ninety Mile, you're bitching about having to pay for just going out for an hour. As stated above it's not a parking fee but a launching one which doesn't care whetber you spend 1 minute or the whole day. The moment you use the facility you become liable for payment, that's how it works. You want to pay hourly but the amount of time you deign to spend on the water isn't relevant. How do you use half a launch? Parking time isn't charged and don't put ideas into the council's heads then we'll not only have to pay for launching but the parking time as well. Another thing is that no one is forcing you to launch from Hillarys and having to pay. You're quite in your right to launch elsewhere where there's no charge like Woodman's. If you don't like any of that then perhaps it's time to sell your boat and move on to other interests. After all, if you add up all the costs I think buying crays will probably be more economical. I know it's cheaper for me to buy fish rather than catch my own but that's what gives me pleasure and I don't complain about the costs.
It's sad that so many things that are actually a privilege becomes a right in people's minds like the dole. Do you remember when the pollies started to talk about getting people on the dole to do community work and the people balked. My goodness, my taxes are being used to support some who are happy not to find a job but surf all day. It's still a privilege not a right and don't I as a taxpayer have a say as to how my taxes should be distributed? If you don't like it then get a job.
Jackfrost80
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It's not a launching fee it's
It's not a launching fee it's a parking fee as they don't own the ramp so how can they charge for its use? They own the carpark so can only charge for the use of that and if a launching fee was required for maintenance of the ramp then all other ramps in WA would be subject to a fee but you'll find that this is already covered by our taxes.
If you look on their website they refer to the annual pass as an 'annual parking permit' so how can a 'parking permit' exempt you from a 'launching fee'?
I am willing to bet my house that a shitload of the 'launching fee' goes back into consolidated revenue for the CoJ.
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D_d_001
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eziliving
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I just wonder if they were
I just wonder if they were to replace the machines where would that cost be recouped? The council wouldn't just absorb it. So for those who can't get their crap together and organise a bit of cash in their ashtray maybe they should pay for the upgrade of the machines and pay $10 bucks for parking for go convenience of using their card. Small price to pay if you can't be arsed carrying the change. Bitching about not being able to use your cc cause you can't be arsed carrying change is pretty piss poor as well.
We all accept that in the metro area a price is to paid for parking or launching which ever way you would like to think off it and what they say it's for. I just wonder how they come up with the numbers, and what they need to survive to keep the boat ramp open and just how much is profit. I mean let's face it (not that I have pay for the boat ramps that I use) if 300 cars and boats used the boat ramp a day at $10 a day for easy round numbers during cray season which will probably go for 3 months? 90 x 3000 = $270,000 for 3 months alone and yet they have one ranger patrolling this. The council would pay this persons wages for the year and probably maintain the ramp quite easily. I mean how many times a year do you guys see an asphalt crew there reselling the ramp or granos there working on the ramp?
in my opinion it's crap. It may be a privilege to be able to do this but it's like everything, You do the hard yards you get rewards. You can go cray fishing in a 13ft dingy with an old busted arsed 2 banged on the arse end doesn't necessarily mean you can afford it but you do it cause you love it and you are prepared to sacrifice other things just so you can have the chance of getting a feel for your family. Most people worked friggen hard for it and sacrifice a lot so that when they can have the time off they can enjoy the fruits of their hard work. Also just because you can afford a boat doesn't mean that you should have to cover cost for other failures that council may have done. At the end of the day they are going to stick it to you where and when ever they can and to the high density areas you guys are goin to pay for it as it's easy money!
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kknlk
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My apologies for getting
My apologies for getting calcs wrong on annual pass. Its equivalent to launching 20 times a year. If you do more than that then it's worth getting the pass.
Billcollector
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2 pages of shit and dribble
2 pages of shit and dribble F@#k I would love to have the facilities you have down there and would be happy to pay a fee every time I launched my boat it would work out cheaper that replacing brakes every 6 months
dodgy
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If Broome was a nationals
If Broome was a nationals seat you would have a marina by now.
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Royalties for marginal
Royalties for marginal regions?
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Billcollector
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You hit it on the head Dodgy
You hit it on the head Dodgy what labour is proposing for here is a f@#king joke Libs can go f@#k themselves so as a lot of people up here are saying is put the nats in and see how it goes seems to have worked for the pilbara
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hahaha
they tried that at the deep water ramp in rockingham after the ticket machine was ripped outta the ground and removed three times they gave up!
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Thumbs up to this idea!!!
Thumbs up to this idea!!!
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lol ,,,, can see this idea
lol ,,,, can see this idea might get some legs ....or wheels lol
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Jackfrost80
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Going by this thread it
Going by this thread it appears that most of the NoR guys enjoy being broomhandled and paying double for launching from their ramps.
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Ben85
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Couldn't have said it better
Couldn't have said it better myself
D_d_001
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don't quite understand some
don't quite understand some of the comments in this thread.
parking fee launching fee not sure it makes a difference, the money has to come from somewhere.
and if the fee goes back to the CoJ does that make a difference? at the end of the year if the city makes a profit is that money lost to some company profit.....no. no in the end it goes back to the community anyway.
"coverd by our taxes"..... the money has to come from somewhere for maintenance. if money is taken from "our taxes" then that will leave something else short.
this is not a money making company we are talking about we own the government. we pay the government (ourselves) to manage all that shit so our community works.
anyone really think paying less tax and less overall in fees is going to help Aussie society?
sea-kem
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Bang on mate, as I said
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The fairys must be too busy
The fairys must be too busy upkeeping Pt Peron, Woodies, Two Rocks, Dawesville, Mary Street, Busso Marina etc etc
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sea-kem
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Geez you must wear the skirt
Geez you must wear the skirt in your house, you have an answer for everything
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What have you done!
Geez, I have a picture in my head of Jack wearing a skirt!
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Jackfrost80
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Nothing screams I've been
Nothing screams I've been shown up like a personal comment
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D_d_001
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so your point is you want all
so your point is you want all public amenities throughout the country standardised in cost regardless of the location?
Jackfrost80
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Nope
Nope but a standard in the Perth metro area would be a lot fairer seeing as all the facilities were built and are maintained using taxpayer dollars
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Ashen
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$10 for a bit of security..
Some ramps in Perth don't charge a parking/launching fee so no rangers to patrol. However, the majority of "break-ins" reported on this site happen at those ramps, Woodies being the main culprit. I would rather pay $10 and know that theres a ranger going around the car park. Might not stop all break-ins but at least it provides a little extra security..
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Ben85
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There's no security at OR
There's no security at OR ramp and the only time you'll see ranges is when they're handing out fines.
Jackfrost80
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Paid parking at Mindarie
Paid parking at Mindarie didn't help a guy I know who came back from a days fishing to find his 4WD on blocks with all 4 wheels taken.
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Krusty
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There are security patrols
There are security patrols at the free Peron ramp !
Not by rangers but I have seen a City of Rockingham "smart watch" car drive through quite often.
My fishing spots are so secret........... even the fish don't know where they are !!
Jackfrost80
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Must have some 'good fairies'
Must have some 'good fairies' getting about down that way
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Krusty
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Plenty of "fairies" not all
Plenty of "fairies" not all are good !
My fishing spots are so secret........... even the fish don't know where they are !!
Jackfrost80
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The toilet block is a
The toilet block is a whoooole nother issue hahaha.
I knew a guy who's job it was to patrol the toilets in Swanborne etc. He is damaged for life
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timboon
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I am also gob smacked that
I am also gob smacked that you fellas are prepared to pay what you do...
Augusta marina, Amazing facility... FREE ( well no doubt reflected in my rates that now feels like i rent my own house )
Why do they do it because it helps pump things along, I know lots of fellas now that go specifically to Augusta ( from Perth ) with their big boats, rent a house, eat at the bakery drink piss at the pub, fuel up the craft daily - because thats what happens!!
Its all a flow on affect...
I agree with JF on this one, every car in the car park ( that is at the fucking BOAT LAUNCHING FACILITY ) should pay to park there if they need to raise revenue and not hit the fellas that have already paid and paid and paid over and fucking over...
Exactly like Dumper says he's the one paying for the facility but gets the fuck around to use it, it makes no sense to me!!
In Gnarabup the boat parking bays are the furtherest away from the ramp, we are the ones that pay the boat regos, fishing licenses etc etc... Make the fucking latte drinking fraternity walk back to there Audi's...
JF makes another good point, you pay a fee and that entitles you to use any ramp throughout the year... If you were smack in the middle of 2 ramps Randall and used them both would $340 be still cheap and well worth it for you? I think not...
JacksonL
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Don't think they are worried
Don't think they are worried about attendance numbers at the OR ramp mate.
craytail99
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A shakedown is a shakedown
A shakedown is a shakedown no matter how you want to justify it. Have a look at all the goodies politicians and councillors siphon off and the bullshit justifications they throw around. Plenty of fat to cut before hitting the average joe yet again