Parking ticket last Saturday
Submitted by BradRich on Tue, 2016-11-08 19:45
Hi Guys
Like heaps of you I took advantage of last Saturdays weather and launched at
Ocean Reef at 9.30am.
After I launched I tried to find a car parking spot but it was all full, so
I bought a ticket and parked on an island in the car park.
The car and trailer did not block traffic or any footpath but when I returned
I had a ticket on the windscreen.( For not parking in a marked parking bay)
I'm sure heaps of tickets have been issued for the same scenario ,he anyone
challenged this fine and been successful ??
Cheers
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Oracle
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Last year
Happened heaps. Even if you parked on the grass up the road. The rangers are all over it.
sstevee
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You could try and go through
You could try and go through my profile and track my post from the new year. Exactly the same scenario except it was the day after boxing day, I recon they got 60+ people, plus their launch fees. I challenged it and was ultimately told tough luck. Apparently when I got to the parking area (after waiting patiently at the ramp with a ton of other boats all lined up) I should have seen there were no bays and gone back and retrieved my boat and gone elsewhere.
Absolutely NO common sense in this one as it would cause complete chaos at the ramp. I did try and take it to the local member of parliament but he was fortunate enough to be enjoying a long xmas break. Long story short I ahd to pay it and move on.
And whilst I agree with the majority on the other ocean reef parking thread, i firmly believe this is a scenario where the rec fisho gets put on the spit and told to suck it up.
Steve
Dan_9
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This shits me every time I
This shits me every time I see it. I lay rates to that retarded council who expect people to cancel their boating plans due to not enough parking bays. It's crapp.
uncle
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Guess they see it as payback
for all those that launch at hillarys and put their boats around the corner by the rock wall or those that park up on the main road at o/reef.(like yesterday) yet these clowns will still expect to be rescued.its a no win scenario.
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uncle
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Guess they see it as payback
for all those that launch at hillarys and put their boats around the corner by the rock wall or those that park up on the main road at o/reef.(like yesterday) yet these clowns will still expect to be rescued.its a no win scenario.
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Jackfrost80
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I’ve had a good look on
I’ve had a good look on google streetview and it appears that the OR Marina surrounding residential streets don’t have on road parking restrictions with Lexcen Park allowing verge parking and having 850m of parking around its’ perimeter. It’s an 850m walk back to the ramp but if it’s the only place you can park without getting a fine then what choice do you have besides retrieving your boat and heading back home again?
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Parker Point 76
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car parking
Just fight it in court and inform the local government of not supplying enough room for local tax payers to enjoy a very popular past time.
Jackfrost80
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I'm interested to see what
I'm interested to see what Randall, Zoom and Subaquatic think about launching your boat only find that you have nowhere to park your car and trailer and having to retrieve it back out straight away and head home as surely based on their previous arguements they would advocate that we still purchase a $9.50 'launching fee' regardless of time spent in the water.
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Subaquatic
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I think it sucks, and it
I think it sucks, and it would piss me off if I had nowhere to park after paying my launching fee.....If I had to reload my boat, and head home, I would be asking for a full refund from the council.
Jackfrost80
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So unlike everyone else who
So unlike everyone else who parks and then buys a ticket you drive up the the parking machine in an overflowing carpark with no bays available get out of your car, purchase a ticket and then drive around looking for a bay?
Do you think those who can't find a bay before purchasing a ticket and decide to retrieve without heading out should buy a ticket before they head back home?
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Subaquatic
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You are VERY good at making
You are VERY good at making false assumptions frosty!
I launch my boat, park my car, and buy a ticket.
IF I launch my boat, try to park, cant park, reload my boat and go home, and HAD already purchased a ticket, I would expect a refund. (on rare occasions, a mate purchases the ticket whilst Im launching)
Let me make it simple for you....
If you can't successfully launch your boat and go fishing/diving/skiing/whale watching, I don't think you should have to pay the LAUNCHING fee.
Jackfrost80
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Ok because this is what you
Ok because this is what you said last week:
"Why should time on the water change the cost of using the ramp?
You are paying for the ramp, not the time in the car park.
id be pissed off if the bloke who went out for an hour paid less than me who went out for a whole day. Both used the same ramp, both used the same finger jetty, both used the same wash down facilities."
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Subaquatic
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Glad you understand my point
Glad you understand my point of view.....about bloody time!
Jackfrost80
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Yeah and you’ve flipped and
Yeah and you’ve flipped and flopped and now have the alternate view. Don’t worry we’ll meet somewhere in the middle eventually
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Subaquatic
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Nope, my position has not
Nope, my position has not changed one single bit.
I just never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time, and annoys the pig.
Jackfrost80
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Ok so you believe one should
Ok so you believe one should pay a ‘launching fee’ for launching their boat for one hour or all day but not for 10 minutes. Got ya
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Marineboy
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Hahaha
good one subaquatic
My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !
Jackfrost80
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I think the saying actually
I think the saying actually goes:
Don’t wrestle with a pig in the mud because you’ll both get dirty but the pig likes it.
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Subaquatic
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Errr......wrong again
Errr......wrong again Frosty...Ya racking them up today mate!
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Jackfrost80
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I'm aware there's two saying.
I'm aware there's two saying. Just stating that my one is more relevent
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z00m
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Pass
I buy a yearly pass these days so not sure how I can help, Frosty. The only time I have been to Hillarys and the trailer parking was full at 7:30am I spoke to one of the parking officers and she advised me to put the car and trailer in the top car park no problems. Getting it out of the top car park when that was also full was more of a challenge! ha ha.
Since then, I either hit the ramp at sparrows on weekends predicted to have good weather or night fish instead. Anyone that has been in that situation would know it is bedlam and best avoided.
reprobait
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If you launch that often buy
If you launch that often buy a seasons pass, problem solved.In terms of getting a space either wait a bit or get your lazy ass outta bed earlier on those good dayz. Parking on curbs, blind spots etc becomes a hazard when some folks dont use common sense....hence the parking only in bays is enforced.. ??
Jim
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Sounds like an absolute joke.
Sounds like an absolute joke. Id be fuming. Youve payed your launching fee there should be a spot for you to park as said above. Turning around and going home should never happen especially after all the money the boating community pumps into the economy.
Do you have to drive around and look for a spot before you launch? then hope its still free by the time you get back.
What would you do when the carparks full at 5.00am reprobait? not having a dig just seems like absolute madness.
Bend over
petermac
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revenue raising
i got booked by a rocky ranger when i was parked at kwinana beach (not rocky rangers council area) i took council to task over it and was told " the ranger she is new to the job" ok what about all the photos she took of my car and me , , they have been deleted from her camera (initialy she denied takng any pics ) , eventualy i got an apoligee and told she would be retrained (bloody more expence to rocky rate payers )
problem is councils give these failed police applicants (rangers) a little bit of power and it goes to their head
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Kwinana council don't seem to give a fat rats clacker, just have a look down there any morning, it's like a caravan park. Given a hand full of them are homeless and there old beaten up coasters is what they call home, but there's been caravans, with the annex out, deck chairs. Nobody is moving them on.
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Darren253
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http://www.transport.wa.gov.a
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/marine/MAC-IS-WoodmanPoint-BoatingPrecinct.pdf
8 ramps, 300 car & trailer bays that are soon to be doubled with the new extension, a decent café and basic tackle shop for your last minute extras...
Did I mention it's all for free?
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Lol not when your car gets
Lol not when your car gets busted into by the local meth heads
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Don't talk about my sister
Don't talk about my sister like that... ;-)
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Don't forget the cost of the
Don't forget the cost of the vaccine shots
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dodgy
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C'mon mate. Haven't you heard
C'mon mate. Haven't you heard of 'No jab, no pay'? Us bludging SOR folks are all up to date with our vaccines.
Its the uptight Northern folks that are all shit scared of autism and all that other stuff.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Jackfrost80
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Nah but most of my mate's
Nah but most of my mate's partners have a 'No Pay, No Jab' policy
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sunshine
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Now protected by additional cameras
And I am told the incidence of such events has reduced markedly since installation....and the cafe serves brilliant food
Jackfrost80
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Security cameras, finger
Security cameras, finger jetties, 8 launching lanes and a flaoting pontoon all at no cost the the punters besides their taxes. Geez we are getting broomhandled NoR. Doesn't help when the punters up this way happily apply the lube for easy insertion.
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reprobait
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Wait for the launch fee to
Wait for the launch fee to land, it will not take long.....?
big john
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Solution
What's your solution Frosty for repealing all NOR launching fees? How can us punters make it happen?
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Jackfrost80
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I don't think we'll ever get
I don't think we'll ever get all fees repealed.
I've already been in email communication with the CoJ for a fortnight to determine that it is indeed a parking fee and let's just say they are imcompetent to say the last as they provided me with two completely different answers once I queried whether it is a parking or a launching fee based on their info provided. I have now asked for copies of the relevent local laws, policies and/or management business practices regarding the fees at OR Marina and haven't received a response so I have followed up with them and now cc'd the Ward councillors. I'll post these up at a later date once I have all the info I need.
There are two ways that this should really fall. If it's a launching fee then we should approach our local MLA and Rob Johnston regarding the disparity between OR and other marinas like Woodies. If it's a parking fee (which it is) then we should put pressure on the CoJ as it should be subject to the same fee structure as the Joondalup town centre where they have paid parking.
At first it is best to try to effect change through the right channels and failing that a campaign of civil disobedience whereby we try to get as many users of the facilities as possible to handover their daily parking ticket will begin to send a message.
What will likely fail the process is the fact that people are so used to this that they don't see that they are being royally shafted NoR.
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Subaquatic
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I agree here, they are
I agree here, they are useless....Here is the response I got (and you will LOVE it frosty)
Dear Mr Manning
The City has received your recent enquiry regarding Ocean Reef Boat Harbour and offer the following in response.
The fees at Ocean Reef Boat Harbour are payable when a vehicle, with a boat trailer attached, occupies a parking bay within the car park.
I trust this clarifies this issue for you.
Yours sincerely
Sent on behalf of
G Urquhart
Coordinator Parking Services
City of Joondalup
Tel: 08 9400 4040
Fax: 08 9300 1383
Jackfrost80
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Shall I begin to warm up my
Shall I begin to warm up my larynx to belt out a tune or two? haha
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Ashen
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:D
So, based on the above response from CoJ, if I was to launch a dinghy with a 8x5 trailer I wouldn't need a ticket because its not a "boat trailer"? haha
A fish in the hand is worth 10 in the water!
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There's always some one waiting to bust the bubble
You just had to break the bubble didn't you.