Penguin phantom questions / previous owners

 Hey guys! 

Im looking at buying this Penguin Phantom this weekend and wanted some thoughts around it.

First question - The missus loves fishing big time! But she gets a little seasick in smaller boats, how does the Deep V in a 5m boat go for line fishing? Is it very rocky/tippy fishing 2/3 people?

Can you fish 2-3 comfortably in something like this? 

Thoughts on the layout with the duel console type set up? Would it be worth converting to a CC down the track?

Anything to look out for when buying one of these boats? It has a 2015 honda on the back, the dealer that installed it said the transom seemed fine on installation (im guessing they all say that?) 

Would the 80 honda go well or is it a little underpowered?

No inbuilt fuel tank.

The rear floors apparently have been re fibreglassed and the bloke fibreglassed the front casting deck which apparently has a few small cracks. 

Would the cut out cabin/walk through effect the structural integrity of the hull? Would it be prone to more flexing now?

Im keen to hear your thoughts on this type of boat/layout. It will be mainly used for north and south trips hence why im looking for a smaller hull. I was looking at the pacemakers but everything seems a little out of my budget except for this one.

 

Thanks so much for everyones feedback, i really appreciate it!

Marek

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Phantoms were a great little

Wed, 2019-07-03 10:07

Phantoms were a great little boat but I would be concerned with how that one has been chopped. It was a half cabin that got butchered with a circular saw and then the exposed edges capped with ally plate?  

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concern

Wed, 2019-07-03 10:51

Would that be a concern? No different to a cabin been chopped out and a CC put in? 

What could go wrong potentially?  

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Plenty on conversions like

Wed, 2019-07-03 16:10

Plenty on conversions like that happen and some of them are very well done by people that know their way around a glass boat.

This one being done in ally seems to suggest they didn’t have much in the way of fibreglassing skills.  

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Penguin

Wed, 2019-07-03 10:16

Hi marek
I have a 21 foot penguin that is basically the same hull as this but bigger . The deep V makes them a great hull in rough weather but the trade off is lack of stability at rest . They slop about quite a lot at rest but when they are on the move they are able to cut through most seas with ease . I don't like fishing more than 3 down one side of my boat as it tips quite a lot so a smaller hull would be worse . They are a solid heavy hull but the 80 should be ok but saying that - more power is better . Ive had my boat for 30 years and trust it to go just about anywhere. Best thing I ever did was put trim tabs on it .
Cheers Paul

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Wed, 2019-07-03 10:52

Good boat if looked after.
Did he Owen a ali fabrication shop,nothing wrong with that except waves over the front and no scuppers ?
Some turn them into center consoles.
I have one 70 Johno on back dont have full throttle all the time,weather and waves dictate speed and comfit of ride.
Plus I dont want to bash the shit out of my boat.
Check to see how it sit's in the water with no one in it (ass heavy,low in the water line)or normal.
Duel axle trailer bit of over kill ,sure its not a 19ft Penguin Huntress?
Check the floor for wood rot and stringers if you can get to them.
Will be wet boat in cop as bow throws up a bit of water,if there is wind as well.
Always do sea trial before you commit to sale.
If it doesn't feel right dont do it.

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good point

Wed, 2019-07-03 12:31

Im finding out more about the ali fab today, i have a mate checking the boat out.

yeh i thought its going to get pretty wet! i have another option of getting a stainless steal bimni and potentially putting on some clears through the front.

the trailers sbeen custom made for beach launching, he wanted to spread the weight out more evenly.

might have to invest into a solid bildge pump? :P 

 

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Touch

Wed, 2019-07-03 13:15

 If you have any doubts about it then don't touch it.

Sure it looks good, might travel well but you spend more time fishing than you do travelling, so you wouldn't want something that leans right over when trying to fish two off one side. Mate had a 21 foot Phantom and we more or less had to fish from the stern which is a real pain when drift fishing. 

 

The hard part on choosing what could be your perfect boat is to take as many as possible for a test run off the coast on an ordinary day, not in the river like most want to take you. Even crap riding boats perform well in flat conditions

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Hey mate

Wed, 2019-07-03 13:42

 Would you have any alternative fishing hulls you would recommend in the 5m range? 

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Pacemaker

Wed, 2019-07-03 15:03

 Take a look at  the back of a pacemaker or Chivers thunderbird  hull, something without the very deep vee and wide or reverse chines, if it has a fine entry on the bowand a good flare to throw the spray out. They are old boats but it will give you an idea on what to look for 

 

 

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You still looking ?  

Wed, 2019-07-03 14:25

You still looking ?  

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yeh

Wed, 2019-07-03 16:11

Yeh im still looking  

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what is your budget

Wed, 2019-07-03 19:59

look at a 5.3 or 5.99 polycraft. made of poly so you don`t have any rot issues.

they are super stable. we have 200kgs of people and a cray pot on one side of my 5.99

in a 25knt southwest wind in summer and handles it no problem. super stable at rest,

it will beat any ali boat of same size punching into waves and a lot of fibreglass

boats too.

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 Looks a bit bigger that a

Wed, 2019-07-10 12:17

 Looks a bit bigger that a 16’ Phantom, might be a Huntress bit hard to tell from the angle of the pics whether it’s got the big reverse Huntress chines.

I have owned both and loved both. Take them anywhere and tough as. Fitted out like it is, I am pretty sure that will throw a lot of water especially when travelling beam on to the sea and wind. You will take a LOT of water so scuppers are a must in my view. I fished 2 on the side in my Phantom in the ocean but in more protected waters, 3 was fine. My Huntress was a CC with a Volvo inboard and sat down well in the water so could fish 3 over the side easy. I had a 85 two stroke merc on the Phantom, went like stink (when it went). A mate had a Phantom like mine with 70 Evinrude, was OK but just underpowered in my opinion.

Great little boats, Julius Savaris really knew how to build a solid boat.

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 After a second closer look,

Wed, 2019-07-10 12:19

 After a second closer look, I think it’s a Phantom.