Plane crash
Everyone knows what happened by now I'm sure.
Our story; (language warning)
Been out at Rotto since last weekend with the kids.
Left this morning at about 10, celebrations already well underway at the beach moorings...
Entered the river and pulled up before Dome to unload all the unnecessary clutter to the car which was parked at Fuzzy79's house (he's a bloody legend!)
Came through the narrows and anchored on the beach at 3 and settled in, kids in the water etc.
Watched the 2 seaplanes doing touch and go's twice then 3rd time the Grumman (looked like to me, same as the ones common in Auckland when I was a kid) flew over us quite a bit lower than I'd have though their "deck" was.
Sounded healthy though it didn't sound as though it had much power on as those radials are usually pretty loud.
Picked up beer to see it rolling over into plainly a death dive.
Not certain if the boys actually saw it but I called out and they would have seen the splash.
There was of course lots of VHF16 activity which swapped to 9.
An hour later on vhf16 the cancellation was announced though they would not say why.
And here began the really fucked up part of the accident.
Someone piped up asking "why"
DOT said they were not at liberty to say more yet.
"what a load of fucking shit, fucking assholes" or similar.
Someone else jumped and explained plane crash, fatal.
And to maybe show some respect.
From there was just a torrent of abuse, fuck, cunt asshole, wanker etc with many people telling him to pull his head in and authorities trying go over the top.
Whoever you were mate, you are an A grade, top of the range FUCK KNUCKLE. I'm hoping you are a member so you read this. Beside the tragic deaths, the crash site looks to be inside the exclusion zone. Hence it'd be ludicrous to halt a body recovery for a fireworks show.
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piston broke
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Well
explained Rob, thanks. cheers Pete.
meglodon
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All in all a very sad day
Sympathy to the families and friends of those who lost their lives in such tragic circumstance.
dodgy
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Don't think there are too
Don't think there are too many mallards still around. Was it one of pearls? I'm pretty sure he got rid of all the radials and put turbo props on his ones.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Rob H
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Could be right there. Looked
Could be right there. Looked like a Goose to me same as is common in the Hauraki Gulf but after googling I see there a few different models which look similar.
Could well have been turboprop though I don't recall the streamlined nacelles which look very different to the radials
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
little johnny
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Lucky there was no one
Under plane in water where it went down .
Swompa
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There was someone on the WA
There was someone on the WA police Facebook page suggesting it was Ridiculous to cancel it. It received the right amount of condemnation...unfortunately I missed the opportunity to screen shot and share the dickheads name.
There are services out there for people whom may have seen it happen. You're not a hero for not going to get help should you be in a position where you need a chat. You witnessed a tragedy.
Silver Fox
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Wasn't Paspaleys
The aircraft in question was eastern states registered and radial powered ,very sad to see this happen on a day of celebrations . To the stupid cunts who complained about the skyshow being canned .... well all I can say is get a life you fucktards.
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Dale
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Have a chat with CASA if you can Rob, they may well be interested in your description of events.
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Jackfrost80
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Saw a fair few comments on
Saw a fair few comments on Facebook by the lefties saying making comments like "it pales in comparrison to the destruction of the aboriginal people on this day" etc etc. Pure fucking grubs.
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
Moking
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We were up Kings Park on
We were up Kings Park on the grassed area watching all the different planes do a flyover , none went as low as this plane,so kept watching.
Bit like "slow motion" watching as the plane went lower over South Perth,then really low over the water and then the crash into the water. Couldn't believe what we just saw.
We didn't see/hear anyone complain when the Skyworks was cancelled an hour later after the crash.
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sea-kem
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Condolences to the families
Condolences to the families etc.
You'd probably get the same reaction from the same trolls if it did go ahead. The naive uneducated just don't understand.
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Rod P
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Yep the comments on the
Yep the comments on the radio were disgracefull. I really wanted to jump on and ask the bloke swearing and complaining to identify his boat and who he was so the rest of us in the crowd who were feeling low could have vented to him in person..
It all happened so slow and it was so sureal. When it happened i was waiting for someone to jump out and throw up their arms and the corwd to cheer, AKA Aussie style, but it never happened. RIP to the pilot and his partner and condolencses to his kids..
Rob H
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on the news tonite it
on the news tonite it appeared to be said he had never landed on water before and CASA only issued his endorsement a couple of days before?
Guessing this story has a bit to play out...
Mentioned above was counselling-for my boys I really don't think the dots connect unless they see a body on the ground.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
ranmar850
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Grumman Mallard
Watching it unfold--lots of video out there nowadays, makes it easy--it looks to me like it was a classic " too tight, too slow, too low. " There was speculation on the pilot's forum that he was too constrained by the box he was restricted to operating in for the event. With the prevailing weather conditions, someone calculated he could have been operating at a pressure altitude of 3,000ft, so he had degraded performance to start with. He really appeared to be exceeding his likely maximum angle of bank, but that could have just been induced by a stall, just an effect and not the actual cause. Very sad for all concerned. Apparently a top bloke all round.
As to the cockheads ranting about missing out on their show--get a life. Apart from the fact that there was a large amount of avgas floating on the water, and you still want fireworks??? Really?
As to his competencies, the news got that really wrong --see this link, interview from 2013.. He had bought it in the States, and done extensive training before it left for the ferry trip to Australia.downunderaviationnews.wordpress.com/interview-with-peter-lynch/
Rob H
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It was only on the 3rd pass
It was only on the 3rd pass that I saw him fly directly over us, so I dont know why he chose a different flight path 3rd time.
And he had very little throttle on at the time.Above someone mentioned that they were a turboprop conversion but it seems not.
Radials are very noisy and I thought to myself as it went over how quiet it sounded but its apparent now he was losing altitude at the time either inadvertant or deliberately.
Regarding his experience, there was an instructor on the news last night who has been liasing with him and CASA float endorsement and even played a voicemail recording he had left that CASA had issued it only days before.
Also seemed to be saying that he either had never landed it on water, or not as PIC.
However the accident would not seem at all to be related to that, rather the classic stall, and the most basic principal taught to a pilot.
But we also have seen how (Air France, Atlantic Ocean about 6 or 7 yrs back) how an experienced pilot can forget or overlook this.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
uncle
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ha ha the honest media
what can you say!!
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Jason P
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The accident is very similar
The accident is very similar to the 1994 B52 crash at Fairchild Air force base.
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Dale
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Few stories starting to surface where the pilot was not overly confident in the conditions. Looks like his worse felt fears have played out.
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dodgy
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Interesting choice of
Interesting choice of aircraft for a private operator.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
ranmar850
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B-52 Crash
The accident is very similar to the 1994 B52 crash at Fairchild Air force base.
That was my first thought, exceeding maximum angle of bank for the particualr aircraft. But that bank may have been worsened by wing-drop in a stall, irrecoverable at that alititude. The B-52 accident was certainly totally avoidable, and rumour had it that the pilot in question was known for getting outside the envelope. Pushing the envelope is fine,as long as the altitude is available for recovery when it goes pear-shaped. I will put my hand up for this--during my flying training on a C-172P , I had been told of the consequences of exceeding rated angle of bank max (60 deg). I was practicing max rate turns at the 60 degree max, and pushed it over to over 70 just to see for myself. But I had a good 5000 ft of clear air under me. The resultant nose drop and potential spiral dive was recovered in under a 1000 feet,as it should be. Fine, if you've got at least 1500 ft to play with....
Jason P
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Totally agree with that.
Totally agree with that.
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meglodon
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The NTSB might not have any black boxes
But, they have plenty of good film and witnesses. It will all come out in the wash as they say.