In response to Timboon,s dummy spitting episode
and for anyone else who might be interested.
I wasn't going to lower myself to this, but decided to put my point across.
As said and agreed to by you and other members on here, rec fisho's take more than pro's for a couple of species.
Further to that, lets take Cockburn Sound snapper fishery as an example. I don't fish it so feel free to correct me.
There is what, 1 or 2 wetliners that work the snapper in the sound?
On any given day when the snapper are on, there would be what, 50 to 60 rec boats fishing the same water. Lets say each rec boat took 2 fish at 6 to 8 kg a fish. That would = 3 to 400kg of snapper at a time.
In all honesty, even the best wetliner would struggle to land that over the same period.
That is why I say that rec fishos take more than pro's. Got it????
And as for you name calling and you 'not doing dumb well', you are doing fine, but you will probably need a lawyer for the defomation case as court jargon can be a bit difficult at the best of times.
But feel free to jump out from behind the safety of your keyboard and screen and say it to my face!! A reality check would do you wonders.
And for those peeps who love a fish but don't get much of a chance and have to purchase fish, don't worry our day will come.
Have I said enough here??
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
Dale
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Hold on a sec while I get some popcorn ready.
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Jackfrost80
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Are these guys classed as
Are these guys classed as rec?
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Tim
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YEP
dodgy
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What About the rest of the
What About the rest of the time when the snapper aren't in the sound? Recs are busy at work or doing something else and that wetline is working as well. Catching snapper.
I don't have the figures in front of me so may not be exact but I think the rec catch for pink snapper in wa was 30-40t a year. For pros it's 500-600t.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Jackfrost80
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Didn't he say he had a
Didn't he say he had a report on the exact figures? Now he's scribbling numbers on the back of bog roll and presenting it as fact
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barneyboy
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yep i get what you are saying
they are still pretty out numbered though, on any day of the week.
Alot of the snapper caught by pros aren't going to be from populated water. I agree with jackfrost on this where pro's shouldn't be in metro waters.
Majority of the tonnes are going to come from lightly fished areas and as far as I know snapper aren't going to migrate that far anyway.
And as for groper, not many people that I know of head out with a bucket of crabs and some urchins and target blue groper.
Really the point I am trying to make has been made, but if you are going to slag me off on a public forum you'd wanna have some backbone and back it up, one way or another,
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Paully
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^^^ For that - You're about
To get Barneyed
Rob H
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The vast majority of
The vast majority of commercial caught snapper caught in WA come from Carnarvon/Shark Bay
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Saulty2
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pros decimate and then move on
to more productive areas ,recs & the odd pro keep fishing the same area and tend to bag out when the fish come in to spawn , slim pickings the rest of the time, oh by the way ive never taken 1 snapper from the sound .
sea-kem
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Not a slag off Barney, but
Not a slag off Barney, but once again you've jumped on here with comments not backed up by fact. It's just lazy imo, if you really want to argue your point do some real research and present some real fact not something that just looks like an opinion.
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barneyboy
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I have done some research
fascinating stuff. Don't believe I should have to publish it though, so lower the axe.
I was merely pointing out another way of looking at it. And I am sorry if you cannot see what I am pointing out. You are right I don't have facts and figures to back it up, but wouldn't you let common sense prevail this time and maybee go 'fuck maybee this bloke has a point'??
Its a BIGGG STATE!!
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sea-kem
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Please enlighten all of us,
Please enlighten all of us, you've done some research but don't believe you have to publish it here? Oookay so why bother writing this thread?
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quadfisher
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On the couch , tummy full of turkey?
Slow boxing day aye Barn?
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Brock O
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What was the point of this,
What was the point of this, you havent proved anything since your last comment...now your mentioning deformation and lawyers as well, cant wait for Timboons reply.
Im trying to get your point with 60 rec boats in cockburn sound V 2 pro boats....but it just doesnt work that way, there may be one day a year were there could be a large number of rec boats bag out in the sound but other than that the Pro's would take more, when and were they work they do it pretty well because thats what they do....7 days a week into all hours when the goings good.
Theres a few ex pro's on here commenting about the way it is from what i can understand, have a read of what there saying, my guess its pretty close to how it is.
Bodie
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I read this thread and
I read this thread and wished I hadn't wasted 10 min do so......
Jackfrost80
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It'll be worth a revisit once
It'll be worth a revisit once you see Timboon's name against it
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timboon
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Old Barnacle Bill..... Or
Old Barnacle Bill..... Or "dumb" Barneyboy as HE encouraged us to call him here....
I'm waiting at an airport for a delayed flight and thought i'd open up FW for a quick read as i've been doing the family chrissy time....
I wish you could have seen the smile on my dial when "dumb" Barneyboy has posted with my name as the headline....
That was a cracking moment in my "online" career....
I havent got the time here and i'm going to do you the favour of getting home, relaxing and having a couple of beers before I give you both barrels you simple little sensitive critter you...
Until then give my regards to Dennis Denuto because this really is all about the vibe!!!
luke george
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:0 what about the 3 month ban
:0 what about the 3 month ban for recs chasing snapper in the sound? Pretty sure the pro boats would be absolutely killing it for those 3 months, but anyway the guys that run the little lady (cockburn snapper pro boat) are on the miniscule side of commercial fishing. They use handlines with a single hook, compared to the drag netting and long-lining going on out deeper it's nothing. Maybe have a look into catch rates of those boats before making your mind up on who's catching more.
Can't find the old post so not sure if I'm missing something here?
little johnny
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Ban applies
To the 2 pro boats also( snapper). They can only use 4 rods or hand lines . No long lines now days in sound. Jazz works outside sound from what I've seen . I really don't get this thread??
Rob H
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Me either LJ, not sure who
Me either LJ, not sure who is arguing what
Jazz is not a commercial fishing boat is it?
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D_d_001
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of course correct Jazz is
of course correct Jazz is charter ......charters have a limit of 8?? Dhus per boat and (at a guess) person limit of snapper per day. (anyone confirm this ?) (wouldn't think they would get there as most are not serious fishers just dad taking 10 year old for a fish first time.)
Jackfrost80
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Classed as rec as already
Classed as rec as already answered above
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D_d_001
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Bodie nailed it !
might also want to check the definition of deformation
randall df223
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*defamation
*defamation
Fish! HARD!
Jackfrost80
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You gotta take the right
You gotta take the right precorshens before you post something online lest you deform someone
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randall df223
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*got to*precautions*defame
*got to
*precautions
*defame
Fish! HARD!
Rob H
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*yatchies
*yatchies
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Everyone's just winging it.
randall df223
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Fish! HARD!
Rob H
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Thats better, dont try and
Thats better, dont try and spell anything for a bit
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
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*that's*don't
*that's
*don't
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Rob H
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Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
barneyboy
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feel free to PM
me your contact details whenever you want hero timboon!!
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Billcollector
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Didn't you get anything for
Didn't you get anything for xmas Barney boy apart from the agro pills
meglodon
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Facts and figures from Fisheries WA 2014/15
First let me make clear that I'm not in one camp or the other so far as pro fishers vs amateur catches.
I believe that I have a balanced view on each individual case as it comes up and make a decision based on what is presented with no preconceived biased towards one or the other.
In a few of the posts about who catches what and how many there is a constant reference to "just where are these figures coming from".
I have just finished reading the following document (which is available from the fisheries site).
Status reports of the fisheries and aquatic resources of Western Australia.
This is defiantly a very revealing document.
For those wanting facts and figures I think the most relevant facts concerning who is catch the most snapper are detailed in pages 88 - 95 of the above mentioned document.
Now, there are a lot of abbreviations referring to various fisheries that to be honest I had trouble keeping track of, for those that have been in the pro fishing game or are switched on about the various areas of fishing you will have no trouble, for me it's all code.
At a quick glance the two figures about catch weights of snapper by professionals against amateurs are 130t for those caught by pros as against 46t by amateurs (this figure includes charter captures) hope I've got those figures right.
Please read the mentioned pages as there are (as I've said) a lot of abbreviations that I can't keep track off and they have some weighting on these figures.
If there is going to be discussion on who catches what lets all use the figures from the authority whose job it is to have accurate figures on the relevant catch rate of each group.
Bryce Day
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Come to the south coast....
Come to the south coast.... youll squeal then!
timboon
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Those that are confused
Those that are confused about this post.....
I think from what i can gather "dumb" Barneyboy has fumbled back here to try and once again educate us....
Again he's posted crap thats not worth reading except now he's getting all furious because he's been told again by most that he's talking shit.
Now he wants me to PM him and write him a love letter....
I'm certainly no hero Barney!!
I'm about as much of a hero as you are an educator on this fishing forum....
Please dont call the lawyers, the last thing i want to be done for is defecation of character....
I'm sorry for defecating on you....
Peace.....
Rob H
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Maybe there has been a
Maybe there has been a communication mix up
Cos if someone is saying that recs catch more snapper in the sound than commercial, Id be inclined to agree and this is what I thought was the case.
But figures are being quoted for all of WA, in which case it would appear not.
Tis the season to be jolly, yet everyone who is home is bickering away.
Should be us stuck at work in a steel box who are bickering and trolling on here
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
sea-kem
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After a few bourbons tonight
After a few bourbons tonight Rob, this does not make any sense at all and that's fine with me
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Shimka
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Solution: Everyone get over
Solution: Everyone get over it & go fishing with your families. Some things just don't matter in life & this is one of them.
timboon
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This thread has nothing to
This thread has nothing to do with Snapper in the sound or otherwise...
What kicked all this off was misinformation posted here claiming amatuers take more than pros by Barney using big lingo like its a "documented" fact...
He was told not to post lies and bullshit...
He could have easily left it, let it be and copped it on the chin.....
Instead he's kept coming back desperately trying to prove his point but all he's done is made himself look uneducated and somewhat brainwashed or maybe just brainwashed out??
Barney I have no personal gripe with you, you are probably a good bloke that means well BUT when you come onto this site a site that has good people posting some great stuff and you are talking shit i'll let you know just like i would anyone else on here...
If the documented facts really mean so much to you and you really want to show us here you know what you are talking about, do some research and post it....
Billcollector
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Well said TIMBOON I,m going
Well said TIMBOON I,m going out now for more popcorn
Jackfrost80
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Can you grab me some
Can you grab me some Billcollector, just salted is fine
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hezzy
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for any keen reader the catch
for any keen reader the catch info can be found here below for 2014/15
page 159 is best place to start ......
hezzy
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/annual_reports/Annual%20Report%202014-15.pdf
OFW 11
evil flourishes when good men do nothing
meglodon
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Thanks for the link
Well I'll settle in for some riveting reading,(LOL) seriously these are the people who have the facts and figures that should be looked at when putting up a view of the situation you agree with or dis agree with then everyone is quoting from the one sheet of music as the saying goes.
Thanks Hezzy
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To say Rec fishers catch more
To say Rec fishers catch more than the pro's in Cockburn sound may be true, BUT you are only looking at Cockburn, not the whole pink snapper fishery. The amount of pinks taken from Cockburn is very small in relation to the biomass of pink snapper. Rec fishers will never get more than the pro's that's just a fact of life. now were did that bag of pop corn go..
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
dumper
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Niiiiiiiiiiiice Gary
Niiiiiiiiiiiice Gary
timboon
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Hard at work researching
Hard at work researching Barnacle or still sitting with Dennis Denuto nutting out your defecation case?
hezzy
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you have a wonderful way with
you have a wonderful way with words timboon !!
made me laugh thinking of dennis & his photocopeing scene from the castle
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It's a new year
Maybe we need Princess Elsa to come in and sing her favourite tune....
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I logged in just to post my
I logged in just to post my lol at that ^^^
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Hahahahah boon dog
You should have your own website ya bloody cracker
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Geez you get around
Geez you get around woody....
You're like a rubber vagina in a juvi jail....