shell goin for oil/gas in ningaloo
Submitted by wombat78 on Tue, 2011-03-08 09:29
what a joke hear we go again when are they goin to stop. there enviromental studies arnt worth the paper there printed on they will just do what ever it takes to get approval there study will be how much money can we make & how much will it cost if we had a spill
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EL SYD
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oil and gas
When you protest and win,don't jump for joy cause you may have ruined someone else's fishing spot as happened to my spot.
I'm against any drilling, mining and such in an area as beautiful as ningaloo which also happens to be my new favorite spot since losing mine to a gas plant here in Darwin.
Fight hard people you won once you can do it again
carnarvonite
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Late
Its a bit late to be jumping up and down. There are about 8 rigs/ platforms already out where they are going to drill so nothing about this is new. Go up to the Murat light house look out at night and take a look, its like a whole city of lights out there.
hlokk
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Sssshhhh, dont let the truth
Sssshhhh, dont let the truth get in the way of a good sensationalist story.
crasny1
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I was thinking the same thing when I read the post and
heard it on the news today. The WWF guy on the news made it out that it was some disaster about to happen, and I thought but there is already loads out there. Is this one closer or what.
neels
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carnarvonite
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Further
From what I have heard, further out and south of the ones already working.
Brucesta
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and it's for gas, not oil, at
and it's for gas, not oil, at best all they are going to have come out is condesate as a liquid, a very light crude, but it's already been said there are already 3 producing assets off the coast no more than 30-40kms away and probably 2 or 3 drill rigs at any one time. It's not like it hasn't been done before
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Tony Halliday
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oh well at least it will make
oh well at least it will make a good FAD if we can sneak close enough.
just a point of interest....
We all squeal like stuffed pigs on a spit when it comes to oil and gas exploration etc and how our marine life is being endangered BUT
yes a BIG BLOODY BUT!!!!
the biggest threat to marine life, coral reefs and coastal ecco system is the systematic release of poisons into our rivers via, sewerage, fertilizers and effluent, including road based run off and silt plumes.
Oil & Gas is mostly a threat only when things go wrong and leaks occur! 99% of the time they clean and have the dollars to police the area and pay for good science to go on…
BUT river run off, sewerage outlets and fertilizer flows go on EVERY day and keep slowly killing off our reefs.
Read: "Science and Marine Parks in New South Wales: the hoodwinking continues. (October 30/2008) Bob Kearney, Emeritus Professor of Fisheries, University of Canberra.
http://aerg.canberra.edu.au/MPAs%20Hoodwinked%202%20Final.doc
http://www.ecofishers.com/fishing-board/index.php?board=56.0
at least this guy is an Accademic that tells the real truth and not the spin doctors versions.
Don't get me wrong, Oil & Gas can be nasty and wipe out a huge area if it goes wrong, but steady urban pollution and farming nitrate run off is the slow silent killer. The true cancer of our sea ways, marine parks and coastal waters!!!!
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spanky
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Tony, don't understand where
Tony, don't understand where your coming from.
Are you saying that pollution from river run off is a bad thing but pollution from a rig off Exmouth is ok ?
I'd be asking the people affected by the Deep Water Horizon disaster how well the clean up of their coastline / marine habitats would be going if left to BP.
hlokk
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He's saying that runoff has
He's saying that runoff has more of an effect on the reefs than the average oil rig. Even though oil rigs may occasionally leak, its nothing compared to the slow continual release of run off pollutants/excessive nutrients.
I.e. one is worse than the other, not one is bad and the other isnt.
Tony Halliday
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spot on Hlokk,what I'm saying
spot on Hlokk,
what I'm saying is pollution is bad, but we make a boogeyman out of oil spills and gas etc... as they more dramatic and visual.
oil pollution is bad, but happens very very rarely, run off happens every day of the year, every year and keeps killing off slowly everything.
The biggest killer of reefs, coral and ecco sensative shallow breeding grounds in RUN OFF from our lands.
Just look how dead the Sound is off Freo to Rockingham close in.... where did the sea grass all go??? etc where did the little baby fish nurseries all go???
Read the links and papers I put up... read it three times and then again and slowly you will see that things like big oil business and fishermen do very little damage in the large picture of the coast, compared to farm run off, your fertiliser on your grass ( hello Ellenbook housing estate, the biggest pollutor of the Swan River and Hello farmers up the way on the Avon river too!!!!)
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
spanky
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Did any of the "for's" read
Did any of the "for's" read el syd's comment ?
Hlokk commented, Sssshhhh, dont let the truth get in the way of a good sensationalist story.
Was Deep Water Horizon a sensationalist story,
closer to home was Montara a sensationalist story'
Is El Syd,s a sensationalist story or did these events take place.
History suggests they were real events that affected real peoples lives.
As far as the rigs that already exist in the area and any other sensitive area's around our "sensational coastline". personally i hope that new and tougher conditions are imposed on them.
The marine life and Ningaloo reef could potentially be destroyed if a well disaster was to occur,
Are the for's ok with that,
I am not
hlokk
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I was referring to people of
I was referring to people of the opinion that there are no drilling operations already (which was the only thing carnarvonite mentioned in that post). "This will ruin the area" comments suggests some people are unaware that it is already happening and just like to jump on bandwagons without an informed opinion. The sensationalist part is pretending that it is the first one there when really its number 9 or so.
To draw a conclusion that that extends to deepwater horizon doesnt really follow. Thats not my position at all.
Craig Pearse
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Another topic where people
Another topic where people jump before the truth.Anybody that whinges about oil& gas , first sell your car, stop using power and live like a hippy. We all use these reasources to live day to day. Im sure its wont be right on top of ningaloo as the world has seen what can happen.
Just my veiw , shoot me down if you want but lets see what happens and get the hole story before we slander this subject
Faulkner Family
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not to mentio selling your
not to mentio selling your boat and stop using syntheyic line that would be made by machines that burn up oil and gas.also all the petroleum products that go into making reels and the greese that keeps them lubricated.
This is just a sign of the times, while tghere is a demand for such products there will be someone somewhere that will go out and mine it in some form.
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
Tony Halliday
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kind of reminds me of the guy
kind of reminds me of the guy that asked a hippie if he used toilet paper...
Hippie answer was yes!
and then he said, but we need to kill trees for that paper...
Hippie answer was well I need it!
So the reply was use a piece of steel wool instead and save the tree...
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
carnarvonite
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Steel wool?
Definitely not steel wool Tony, you have to use resources to produce it, a hand full of sand or fallen bark off a tree.
Exmouth shire president's comments on the drilling proposal were along the lines of "we already have 7-8 , so what is another 1-2.
It will bring in lots more revenue for the town and the state."
Brucesta
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2 posts in spanky and on your
2 posts in spanky and on your high horse already. get the facts right mate and stay off that plastic keyboard and that power hungry PC your on. Shell's Prelude development is going to be a world first with floating LNG technology, things are made safer by using flexable flow lines to a detatchable riser that connects to the floating ship. The use of sub sea wells reduces the risk of faliure and subjecting possible rigid pipe to bring the product to the surface. Nothing is without risk mate, mining Iron Ore unearths possible asbestos fibres, coal mining finds pockets of gas that explode and kill lives.
risk for reward and thankfully the real risk and likelyhood of a major environmental event happening is none to buckleys. Do you really reckon the government would just let it happen without the most stringent of conditions? come on please take the wool off your eyes
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merman
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Lets just say that as a
Lets just say that as a local, a fisherman and an oil consumer it would simply be disappointing to have a potentially sizable spill from any of the current or proposed operations destroy or damage the ecosystem up here in any way. Yes oil and gas is a necessity but its still a hard pill to swallow when once there were no lights on the horizon at night.
bod
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Barnett says
A Whale Shark on Ningaloo Reef
THE State Government says it will do all it can to stop oil and gas exploration near Ningaloo Reef if there is the slightest chance the reef will be threatened.
Energy giant Shell has applied for Federal Government approval for 60 days' exploration drilling in an area about 50km west of the Ningaloo marine park's boundary.
The plan has come under attack by environmentalists who say the risk of an oil spill is too great and could devastate one of the world's most biodiverse coral reef systems.
Premier Colin Barnett today said his government would have little say in the initial application as the area Shell intends to drill is in Commonwealth waters.
"But if we as a State Government believe there is any threat, even the slightest threat to Ningaloo Reef, we will do all we could to intervene to make sure that didn't go ahead,'' he told ABC Radio.
"Now 50km is a long, long way away from the reef, it's over the horizon and out of sight,'' he said.
"But we will certainly, if the Commonwealth does favour doing this, we will take whatever means we can to make sure there's absolutely no risk to Ningaloo.''
Mr Barnett said any drilling near Ningaloo would compromise a current submission for the reef to be world heritage listed, and the Federal Government needed to consider that.
Ningaloo Reef's nomination was lodged by the Federal Government in January 2010 and is still under assessment.
Federal Resources and Energy Minister Martin Ferguson has foreshadowed increasingly rigorous regulatory requirements for the proposal.
If Federal environmental approval is given, Shell must present a detailed proposal to the WA Department of Mines and Petroleum to gain exploration rights under a joint authority system.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/wa-could-stop-shell-mining-if-reef-at-risk/story-e6frg14u-1226019851619