Surf rod reel

 Hi all

Have been lurking here for a while now & picking up some good tips, especially since i have always been a momo man & recently switched to braid. What a difference on my 7' uglies & a 6lb shimano setup!

Anyways, heading up to Jurien to do some beach fishing in Feb. i have a Penn SBG-7144 2 piece rod from way back & looking to upgrade the reel which is a banax sx 5000.

I would like to upgrade the mono to Platypus Lo Stretch & 13' rod has a 15-25lb medium action capability. targeting tailor, salmon & mulla.

Any recommendatons?

Thanks

Barra

 


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Reels

Tue, 2016-02-02 09:36

If you want a good priced reel I'd go a Shimano Spheros 14000 but if you've got the coin I would go a Daiwa Saltiga Surf. You'll have to forgive me as I haven't bought a new reel in a while and these two may not even be available anymore.

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 Hey mate, first of all

Tue, 2016-02-02 09:44

 Hey mate, first of all howmuch are you willing to spend?

If it fits the budget I'd be going for a saragosa/spheros 8000 or 10000.

As for line, all I've heard about the platypus lo-stretch so far isn't good, my advice would be putting 30-50lb braid on the reel and using a long (10m+) mono shock leader for stretch, abrasion resistance and protecting your finger when casting.

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 Keep your present rod and

Tue, 2016-02-02 10:18

 Keep your present rod and reel for mulla but for tailor and salmon around a 9'6"/10 ft with matching reel is all you need. If lure casting a graphite rod plus a daiwa 4000 or shimano 5000 size with about 15/20lb braid. As Hutch asked, what's your budget? For about $1000 Daiwa Catalina 4000 plus Daiwa seajigger/demon blood/Nitro rockstar/assasin amia. Bluewater has Stella and Saltiga at $900 which is good price for those. buying one of these means not needing to upgrade for the rest of your life. At the budget end, you're looking at about $150 for a rod plus maybe about $200 for a decent reel. Huge range to choose from. Go to tackle shops, one of the sponsors here will be good to get guidance. 

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Have a look at the Pflueger

Tue, 2016-02-02 12:44

Have a look at the Pflueger Salt SW series reels, they come in 040, 050, 060, 070 and 080 sizes. I've had saltiga surfs, daiwa emblem pros, penns, shimano ultegras and have finally settled on the Salt 060SW for my surf fishing ( wish i had found it sooner! ) The 060 has 13kg carbon drag, metal body and spool, stainless gears and holds 300m of 30lb finns braid ( would hold more of a thinner braid ). Getaway outdoors Balcatta sell them for around $120-130 and Bluewater sell them for $169. Great value for money! 

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 Hi allThanks for all the

Tue, 2016-02-02 16:14

 Hi all

Thanks for all the feedback, budget for reel is $250-$300 max. If the rod's line rate is 15-25lb wouldnt 30-50lb line be too much?

So i take it evryone is using braid for beach now instead of mono? (longer fluro leader?)

 

 

 

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Salt 80

Wed, 2016-02-03 17:35

 I second the recomendation on the salt reels. I have the 80 which has 20kg drag with 50pound braid and pulls like a horse on my 12ft beachy. Solid reels, feel great and great value for money i think

 

Im taking it to steep point and using it spinning off the rocks next month too (with a smaller rod though).

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 Penn 750ssm or fin nor fs80

Tue, 2016-02-09 21:52

 Penn 750ssm or fin nor fs80 with a eupro cyclone 17-40lb. The rod is 10ft which is enough and fishing at beaches with massive surf it works a treat and casts a mile. Can make tarwhine feel like not a bad fish because the soft tip gives you a good feel as if in touch with the fish (also due to it being graphite), and also I have caught some nice sized salmon with ease (or as easy as it gets with salmon lol). That is a really good combo I love it.

 

or you can go for a reliable alvey and flick diesel80 a pm if you want to know anything about them. He is a legend with those reels and rods 

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Thanks for the Plug Lachie

Wed, 2016-02-10 10:06

Not sure I am a legend, but I do like my Alvey reels :P

OP, if the wind it blowing its arse off, the wind swell and side current can dictate the use of a 6OZ sinker up there in Jurien, depending on where you want to fish. Make sure you have a rod that can handle that. Won't need a long cast up that way to find fish but into the wind even a short cast can require plenty of effort!

I would keep mono for that area, just because there is nearly always weed to haul in. That and tailor are not exactly subtle when on the bite so you would need to be stoned to miss a take. Perhaps consider a reel with 2 spools, mono on one and braid on the other.

I use the 10KG lo stretch and it casts well and seems hardy enough for its diameter. It is really thin but has pulled in some large Rays and never pinged. There is some positive news for ya Hutch!

I have the 15kg on another reel and that goes well also, but is waiting for some storms before it gets a real test.

I usually head up to Jurien with the following:
10"6 3-5kg 35g cast weight lure stick.
MT7144 - calm conditions, baitcast Mulie or 3oz + Mulie.
MT8144 - 4-6oz + mulie
MT9144 - 6oz + big baits
13 Ft Graphite Purglas (10-15KG rod I think) Belts a 6oz out into a nasty breeze.

All matched with a 6 or 6.5 Alvey running 8-10Kg lo stretch line, 15kg on the 9144.

Still despite all this, sometimes the fish don't wanna play or the pickers are a nightmare. When the pickers are in, I walk the beach with metals trying to find some tailor or herring, or sink some beers until it is dark.

Good luck!

Cheers,
D80

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  Yet to make up my own mind,

Wed, 2016-02-10 12:44

  Yet to make up my own mind, just going on what people have said.

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 Thanks diesel80 What do you

Thu, 2016-02-11 16:18

 Thanks diesel80

 

What do you think of matching a MT8144 & a alvey 6500BCVRRT with 10kg lo stretch as a bit of an all rounder?

http://alvey.com.au/products/6500bcvrrt/

 

Nathan

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Nathan, I would say it will go just fine

Thu, 2016-02-11 21:04

As I did have the exact same combo, until some punk stole my reel. The last available red 6500BCVRRT in the country. F*cking loved that thing.

Now I only have my 6500BCVRR - no T, but still good. The T version will actually cast a little further as there is slightly less line slap as it sits a couple off mm further off the rod. Bit of useless trivia for you there.

Very popular combo that for Mulloway and large salmon over east. Unfortunately i have only had tailor on mine to date.

If you get a MT8144 with a smaller first guide (rather than the old school large stripper) you can also use a spin reel low mount (if you wanted a braid option).

If you don't have a 8144 already, you can get a wilson one from MOTackle on run out for $89 here. Postage for me was, two rods for $20! arrived in PVC 12 foot long tube :) - not sure you will be so lucky on postage but who knows. 

 

Cheers,

D80 

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 Thanks DiesAre those rod 2

Fri, 2016-02-12 07:30

 Thanks Dies

Are those rod 2 piece, motackle says 1 piece but others say 2?

 

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They are 1 piece.

Fri, 2016-02-12 09:09

I got a 7144 and a 8144.
They are not a top line build, like say an Ozflex you can get locally (better guides etc, more pimped decals) but they were not $220 each either! So for a bash of the rocks and scratching on the roof rack they are alright in my book.

The fancy pants custom rod I have is a two piece though, that doesn't see the roof rack or the rocks though. The 9144 I mentioned is a two piece, but that is a broom stick.

Horses for courses.

Cheers,
Adam

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Couldnt help myself Ended up

Fri, 2016-02-12 18:03

Couldnt help myself

 

Ended up with a alvey 6500bcvrrt loaded with 500m of 10kg platypus low strech, mated it up with an alvey custom beach king 2 piece 5-10kg 13'6 rod (mines black & silver tho)

 

http://alvey.com.au/products/6500bcvrrt/

 

http://alvey.com.au/products/rod6500/

 

Plus a few other "necessities" :)

 

Thanks for all the help lads, appreciated.

 

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Welcome to the dark side.

Sat, 2016-02-13 21:04

  Welcome to Alvey. I'm very certain you will do well with that set up. And your great grand children can use the reel should they want to fish. 

Herring, Tailor, Mullas and good sharks are all waiting for you with that out fit. You will be amazed what can be fought on 20lb line.

Tight lines, and good luck.

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Alvey rod bucket and a bait bucket to thread on the belt of it

Sat, 2016-02-13 09:46

and you wont have to keep walking back to re-bait. the large one holds about 1 hours worth of mulies.

have you spooled the line yet? If you haven't put the line on yet, add a couple of 100m backing - elcheapo jarvis walker 8kg from kmart is great for this. Like $3-4 for heaps.

Reason is, that reel will actually hold 1200m of that line. How do i know this because i spooled one off a 1200m spool of that line and it fit. Probably wouldn't go that full until you are more comfortable with it, but 800-900m of that line would be perfect (but expensive), so backing makes this much cheaper for same result.

Another tip, depending on what sinkers you use and how much your rigs roll in the surf, you will get line twist with the line (all line on all alveys to some degree). After a couple of sessions, pull some line out on the beach, 80m or so (or at home, but don't pile it up on itself!), wet your hand and walk from the rod to the end of the line, running it through your fingers. Do it a couple of times until the twists stop looping on themselves. This is the downside of this line - being so thin, you need a tiny swivel, and to make sure it spins free. The upside is it casts really well for its strength, and it really only takes a little bit of time 5mins or so when washing the reel and rod down to do this. You also can feel if there are any dodgy spots in the line that may need to be removed. Would hate to lose a good fish to a nick in the line!

Wind the line back on under a little pressure and you are sorted for next outing. 

Saves a nest when you hit the beach next time out :P Some say that is why they won't use an alvey, but i have seem some horrible braid nests on spinners too, and the odd one from high memory mono, so I reckon there is more to it than just the reels chosen.

If NOR hit me up in PM we can fish  winch metro sometime.

Cheers,

D80 

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yeah had it spooled at the

Sat, 2016-02-13 11:49

yeah had it spooled at the shop when i bought it Adam. Will keep that backing tip in mind for the future when i change it out.

 

Thanks for the tip on line twist, I have already bought some swivels after reading a bit on google & watching the alvey dvd