if it doesn't kill me, it will make me stronger. And if it does happen to kill me, I doubt I will be to worried, I'll be dead - probably low on my priorities list at that point. I'd be more concerned with getting my heathen ass into heaven or making sure I'm not reincarnated as a snail or something rubbish like that.
Its pretty polarised out there on the perthnow article.
Scotto: I dont really think paying more for goods is a good argument, there are other port alternatives in WA. Dredging the channel for deeper draught boats is one thing, but they still cannot turn around in Freo Harbour.
Im concerned about the heavy metals being stirred up making their way into the food chain. The 1 in 10 energy unit relationship from producer > first order consumer > second order consumer > third order consumer makes this a serious issue because larger species eat more units of smaller species thus ending up with a higher toxicity than smaller fish. In canada a while back they had fishing laws opposite to ours eg, instead of a minimum size limit on fish, they had a maximum size because of the after effects of DDT.
Also the "Just dont swim, fish or eat anything from the river" brigade sound awfully like a bunch of non river/north mole users. Easy for them to say but if you are down there frequently then it matters to you.
Not meaning to start world war 9 here, but I think at least it should have been done in winter to allow the freshwater to wash it away quicker.
The sludge is that toxic that if it was on land, they would have to pay to treat and dump it somewhere. Because people aren't building houses on it the FPA has been allowed to get away with it. After what happened in Melbourne they just weren't going to give an inch about it either.
You would have to be pretty stupid to think its a problem for "just a few months", its a problem for as long as its down there and its worse stirred up.
look how big the patch is... And they only noticed it now? Ffs, these guys need to get in gear. Stupid paparazzi, only wait til its real screwed up before saying anything. Choppers fly over there all the damn time, and now they bring it up. Assholes!
yeay it looks bad and probably is but that stuff has been sitting at the bottom of our port for how many years.you tend to see the same effect out from freo after the first lot of heavy rains that wash all the silt down river . so its nothing new just more consentrated. no i am not defending whats going on just pointing out that its been there for a long time
Pitty for all of the poor bastards who actually believed the Government and the connected baurrocrates that there would be little or no effect.my attitude of government is not to believe them,not to trust them,smile while they screw me,and be happy they get all the perks they get.that way I am never disappointed when I hear or read or see what they are doing.Yes I know,Im a sinnike Not sure how to spell it jersey
With around two thirds of the dredge spoil being used for land fill I'm content with the view that two thirds of the nasties are now out of the waterways which is what I said. Whether the dredge spoil is suitable for landfill is another matter.
Funny how all of a sudden it's going to stop for a bit (of course it's because the equipment is needed elsewhere), when some people have had the sludge analysed at a truly independent lab. Co-incidence? I think not, out of site out of mind is more like it.
I'm with you Jersey, don't expect anything of a pollie.
Maybe they should put on of those signs outside of parliament house - dont' feed the politicians, they will S.O.Y
silt that has been laying on the bottom of the harbour. Its also got fertilisers from up stream, the race course, golf club and housing developments.
I'd be more worried when they start demolishing the old power station at Coogee, just down from the Coogee Marine. That area is a disaster with all toxins buried in 44 gallon drums, plus Woodie Point area where the Army stored their ammo, they aren't developing that area as they don't know whats buried under the ground RE bullets, bombs, hand grenades etc. The old power house is a toxic time bomb. PCB's you name will be discovered.
Obviously an English gentleman of extreme breeding and ability to spell,That word Cynic is one of a great many that have had me stuffed for a long time,however,I will remember Cynic,cynic cynic,X100.thanks again John.Jersey, by the by,the bloody spell check did not know how to spell it either.
Heard a story the other day that some kiwi boys working at rous head found a 20kilo mulla floating with is head all caved in, presumably from the dredger. Word has it they ate it. But you tend to hear alot of bullshit coming from tradies
they write some interesting things on the walls of site toilets tho for example....." here i sit and smell your vapour -- -- wat the f@#k no toilet paper -- -- so i wait -- -- and i linger -- -- wat the hell i'll use my finger!.....................
that the old power station at Coogee is heritage listed! What still peaves me is that Coogee Cement are still dredging after all these years (40?) or so. From Bathers (Freo) to Rockingham all the beach sand has gradually turned light gray instead of the squeaky clean white it used to be. No good they need to be be evicted ASAP....nev
used to swim for crabs there many years ago, they were everywhere, you could even caught a crayfish or two (size of course) but now all the sea grass is dead and as you say silt is covering the beach sand. All for the might $$$$
I really don't know how they are going to clean up the old power station, it will be interesting to see and read the reports when it happens.
Our Council (Cockburn) is having a closed door meeting either this month or next month regarding the Coogee Marina planning and what they are going to do or future developements. Very disappoingting that it is a Confidental Meeting and the rate payers of Cockburn can't have their two bobs worth.
No bother Jersey, I'm a huge cynic myself, so I know the word well.
As the the 'breeding' bit I don't think so mate, I'm from the north east of England so I'm as far away from blue blood breeding as you can get.
Could someone tell me where Rous Head is?
wopjrb - this is a semi-famous drawing of a public toilet (netty) whereI'm from. If I could only zoom in some of the graffitti on the wall is funny, after I've translated it for you
Rous Head is in the pic above, follow the mole back along it's northern perimeter and where it fattens up and goes ligher (sandy?) thats Rous Head IIRC.
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why not?
if it doesn't kill me, it will make me stronger. And if it does happen to kill me, I doubt I will be to worried, I'll be dead - probably low on my priorities list at that point. I'd be more concerned with getting my heathen ass into heaven or making sure I'm not reincarnated as a snail or something rubbish like that.
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DON'T CATCH ANY SNAPPER IN
DON'T CATCH ANY SNAPPER IN THE SOUND!!!!
leave them all for me......:-)
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scotto
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whinge whinge.
If we didnt dredge the harbour, everyone would be whinging how much extra it would cost to buy a car, or new tv, etc.
end of the day, its just something else to whinge about.
its only for a few months. put up with it. i'm sick of hearing it already.
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I love the comments
Its pretty polarised out there on the perthnow article.
Scotto: I dont really think paying more for goods is a good argument, there are other port alternatives in WA. Dredging the channel for deeper draught boats is one thing, but they still cannot turn around in Freo Harbour.
Im concerned about the heavy metals being stirred up making their way into the food chain. The 1 in 10 energy unit relationship from producer > first order consumer > second order consumer > third order consumer makes this a serious issue because larger species eat more units of smaller species thus ending up with a higher toxicity than smaller fish. In canada a while back they had fishing laws opposite to ours eg, instead of a minimum size limit on fish, they had a maximum size because of the after effects of DDT.
Also the "Just dont swim, fish or eat anything from the river" brigade sound awfully like a bunch of non river/north mole users. Easy for them to say but if you are down there frequently then it matters to you.
Not meaning to start world war 9 here, but I think at least it should have been done in winter to allow the freshwater to wash it away quicker.
till
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The sludge is that toxic
The sludge is that toxic that if it was on land, they would have to pay to treat and dump it somewhere. Because people aren't building houses on it the FPA has been allowed to get away with it. After what happened in Melbourne they just weren't going to give an inch about it either.
You would have to be pretty stupid to think its a problem for "just a few months", its a problem for as long as its down there and its worse stirred up.
scotto
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it is literally, a piss in
it is literally, a piss in the ocean.
H.S. Chan
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look how big the patch is...
look how big the patch is... And they only noticed it now? Ffs, these guys need to get in gear. Stupid paparazzi, only wait til its real screwed up before saying anything. Choppers fly over there all the damn time, and now they bring it up. Assholes!
till
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... They have know about it
... They have know about it for months, in fact the fpa has been publishing plume pics themselves.
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yeay it looks bad and
yeay it looks bad and probably is but that stuff has been sitting at the bottom of our port for how many years.you tend to see the same effect out from freo after the first lot of heavy rains that wash all the silt down river . so its nothing new just more consentrated. no i am not defending whats going on just pointing out that its been there for a long time
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
drex
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Would you eat, or let your kids eat, what you caught in the area
Some guys might not give a flying fuck.
Personally I throw back whatever I catch.
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Anyone been to eshed latley?
Anyone been to eshed latley? Has it stuffed the fishing up?
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jersey
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I feel real
Pitty for all of the poor bastards who actually believed the Government and the connected baurrocrates that there would be little or no effect.my attitude of government is not to believe them,not to trust them,smile while they screw me,and be happy they get all the perks they get.that way I am never disappointed when I hear or read or see what they are doing.Yes I know,Im a sinnike Not sure how to spell it jersey
Alan James
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And from another angle
Perhaps we should be thankfull that these nasties are getting removed from our waterways. Short term discomfort for the long term gain.
till
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... they aren't getting
... they aren't getting removed, they're getting spread around.
Alan James
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... they are from the waterways
With around two thirds of the dredge spoil being used for land fill I'm content with the view that two thirds of the nasties are now out of the waterways which is what I said. Whether the dredge spoil is suitable for landfill is another matter.
John the Pom
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Just to help you out Jersey
Just to help you out Jersey it's cynic
Funny how all of a sudden it's going to stop for a bit (of course it's because the equipment is needed elsewhere), when some people have had the sludge analysed at a truly independent lab. Co-incidence? I think not, out of site out of mind is more like it.
I'm with you Jersey, don't expect anything of a pollie.
Maybe they should put on of those signs outside of parliament house - dont' feed the politicians, they will S.O.Y
roberta
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Don't forget in this
silt that has been laying on the bottom of the harbour. Its also got fertilisers from up stream, the race course, golf club and housing developments.
I'd be more worried when they start demolishing the old power station at Coogee, just down from the Coogee Marine. That area is a disaster with all toxins buried in 44 gallon drums, plus Woodie Point area where the Army stored their ammo, they aren't developing that area as they don't know whats buried under the ground RE bullets, bombs, hand grenades etc. The old power house is a toxic time bomb. PCB's you name will be discovered.
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jersey
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Thanks John
Obviously an English gentleman of extreme breeding and ability to spell,That word Cynic is one of a great many that have had me stuffed for a long time,however,I will remember Cynic,cynic cynic,X100.thanks again John.Jersey, by the by,the bloody spell check did not know how to spell it either.
dumper
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Heard a story the other day
Heard a story the other day that some kiwi boys working at rous head found a 20kilo mulla floating with is head all caved in, presumably from the dredger. Word has it they ate it. But you tend to hear alot of bullshit coming from tradies
wopjrb
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they wriite
they write some interesting things on the walls of site toilets tho for example....." here i sit and smell your vapour -- -- wat the f@#k no toilet paper -- -- so i wait -- -- and i linger -- -- wat the hell i'll use my finger!.....................
wopjrb
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another thing i read on the wall of a site toilet
" you gave way to me wen i was driving in my car and i just wanted to thank you...thank you" ......................lol
nev
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Thank God
that the old power station at Coogee is heritage listed! What still peaves me is that Coogee Cement are still dredging after all these years (40?) or so. From Bathers (Freo) to Rockingham all the beach sand has gradually turned light gray instead of the squeaky clean white it used to be. No good they need to be be evicted ASAP....nev
roberta
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Yes nev my old fart
used to swim for crabs there many years ago, they were everywhere, you could even caught a crayfish or two (size of course) but now all the sea grass is dead and as you say silt is covering the beach sand. All for the might $$$$
I really don't know how they are going to clean up the old power station, it will be interesting to see and read the reports when it happens.
Our Council (Cockburn) is having a closed door meeting either this month or next month regarding the Coogee Marina planning and what they are going to do or future developements. Very disappoingting that it is a Confidental Meeting and the rate payers of Cockburn can't have their two bobs worth.
Ginger Tablets Rock
John the Pom
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No bother Jersey, I'm a huge
No bother Jersey, I'm a huge cynic myself, so I know the word well.
As the the 'breeding' bit
I don't think so mate, I'm from the north east of England so I'm as far away from blue blood breeding as you can get.
Could someone tell me where Rous Head is?
wopjrb - this is a semi-famous drawing of a public toilet (netty) whereI'm from. If I could only zoom in some of the graffitti on the wall is funny, after I've translated it for you
till
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Rous Head is in the pic
Rous Head is in the pic above, follow the mole back along it's northern perimeter and where it fattens up and goes ligher (sandy?) thats Rous Head IIRC.
roberta
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Think also till that Rous Head
is reclaimed and pumped sand/silt from the habour and surrounds and they are reclaiming more for extra space
Ginger Tablets Rock
wopjrb
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lol
looks pretty funny
adamsmith84
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crap,
i went spearfishing this moring very very very very very very very close to there
wide open
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no you didnt david
i went with you so id know, we wert even close to their
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lookin horrible today around
lookin horrible today around the traffic bridge
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