Treading on thin ice

I may be treading on thin ice here seeing as some people didnt like my hijacking of rodrats account re the big pink snapper post but...I would realy like to know how people stand regarding the filling of the freezer, or taking all they can just because it's legal as so many posts have said "its within the rules so no laws broken". Given that we are about to be faced with closures and reduced bag limits because according to our illustrious government body fisheries wa the fish stocks are in decline.
so is it really ok to take the existing bag limits or to fish enough to make sure you have enough fish to see you over a 3 month ban. my take on this is if we all had fished more responsibly in the past and not taken our bag limits of whatever fish or whatever the limits we wouldnt be in this situation we find ourselves in now...or i could be wrong and I include the commercial sector in this too. does anybody think back and admit to themselves yes we did take all we could cos it was legal but in hindsite maybe we shouldnt have. I know we all have our opinions and are allowed to have them albeit with a bit of flak from others from time to time, but do we realy beleive if it's legal at the time then it's ok. So what is your view is it ok just cos its legal or is it irresponsible from your point of view. I'm posting this because I realy would like to know how people feel as i do get conflicting impressions from people.
Tis isn't a dig at anybody in particular I'm trying to find what people think.


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i fish for the sport and the

Tue, 2008-07-29 21:04

i fish for the sport and the challenge and because i love getting out and exploring our beautiful coastline. I couldn't give a toss about the freezer, steak is better than fish anyway. Except for maybe trout, ok and bluebone.

I do however think this type of thread has been done to death

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Putting it simply, I dont

Tue, 2008-07-29 21:12

Putting it simply, I dont agree with freezer filling. 

It's not as if the V5 fish are the only ones in the ocean. As recent fishing magazines have shown us, there are other species out there to catch and some are even considered great eating.

But as is human nature people dont like change. Fishing for something different then the V5 should be looked on as a challenge to your fishing skills. Wink Yes, i challenge all you pink snapper and dhufish experts to try for somethign different.

Now, for all you boaties whinging about paying for pinkies and Dhuies..... build a bridge. Tongue out If we landbased fisherpeople want a feed of either we have to pay for it all year round, unless we want to pay $200 for a charter, which, lets face it, when compared to the price of pinkies and dhuies in the fish shop, is rather expensive, and no guarantee i will bring home either.

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Agree

Tue, 2008-07-29 21:27

Each too there own but i would rather a steak than fish.
When im out fishing, im there first for the fun and enjoyment of it and then if i want fish for tea that night i will take one home. Apart from once a year when i head north i never keep any fish with the intent to stock the freezer. I have heard stories from older generations who have told me about the fish you could catch off the beaches and within mtrs of the shore. Stories of them filling the freezers cos it was there and it was legal. I guess it is hard to see into the future and estimate how many fish will be around in five or ten years, but goin on the trends its only going to get harder. I went out with a friend two weeks ago to have a trial fish for spiecies i dont usally target(saying that this year i have caught 4 snapper and no dhuies)and went home with a couple of whiting for tea. Filling your freezer in my opinion may be legal to some extent but a little moraly wrong. I hear what people are saying when they complain about the price of fish as i dont think the rec fisherman should wear the blame and get the ban.If you put a ban on, make it for everyone, Pros and Recs. JUST MY OPINION!

 

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dhuie freezes very well.its

Tue, 2008-07-29 21:35

dhuie freezes very well.its better than steak its the rump of the ocean

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Where do you draw the line?

Tue, 2008-07-29 21:48

I've been here 12 months and finally cracked the code on getting a few dhuies, I've released a few but have about 10kg of fillets in the freezer.

We eat as much fish as we can and it's just as good as steak or chicken to us, and for the first time in a year I can eat good fresh fish when ever I want too.

It wouldnt be too hard to fill my freezer as it's only small.

Not sure about the rest of you but I do like having a few feeds on stand by knowing I might not get out for a while, weather, work, other commitments probably will see my freezer empty before it gets a top up.

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discussion

Tue, 2008-07-29 21:48

Been having this discussion a lot up here recently and peoples motivations to fish, sometimes its not a very good look.  All I ask is you keep it civil and constructive, but yes Brad, I agree. :)

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Agree totally with all the

Tue, 2008-07-29 21:50

Agree totally with all the comments above, i think its sad that people think of the bag limit as the benchmark for their catch just because its legal. We all have to agree that the bag limits have been too high for too long now. Because of the bad management of the fishery, we the anglers are going to be the ones that are to blame and suffer with these new regulations.

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Shortly add up the costs

Tue, 2008-07-29 22:01

Us boaties pay alot more than you think for what we catch

Try running a boat all year round you will be supprised???

But costs dont outway the enjoyment of being out there what ever makes the freezer is a bonus

And yes i will be putting dhuie in my freezer to last the ban without breaking any rules,i would of liked to fish before chrissy for some fresh fish but i cant and i'll be f#%$ked if im buying any from the pro's

As kaneo said dhuie freezes very well
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i think most of the younger

Tue, 2008-07-29 22:05

i think most of the younger guys agree that they fish for the fun of it. it is an awsome feeling when u let fish go as u no they are only going to get bigger & in the long run there will be more fish in the sea for u to catch at a later stage. i think some of the laws need to be change. eg. banded cod and crayboats. i think it is stupid to have to throw back perfictly good fish & watch them float away because they are dead. but laws definatly need to be changed so there is a future to fishing

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Tue, 2008-07-29 22:09

It would sometimes get depressing up there eh Adam.....

A lot of people have different ideas on whats morally acceptable

20kg fillets per person is a lot of fish....100 meals in fact....

 

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we just

Tue, 2008-07-29 22:27

spent 2 weeks in exxy we did get a lot of fish but when we get home we distribute fish amongst friends and family ,in the end we catch fish for fun keep or c&r and what we keep goes to people who love fish that dont have the means or money to get some in the end we might have 10 kg left for us

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"i fish for the sport and

Tue, 2008-07-29 22:11

"i fish for the sport and the challenge and because i love getting out and exploring our beautiful coastline"

Amen to that :)

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Great Post Ollie

Tue, 2008-07-29 22:12

good to see the younger guys have the right attitude

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20 kilos

Tue, 2008-07-29 22:16

I would bring home around 5 kilos of fillets from my once a year trip up north. Like salmo said 20 kilos is a lot of fish!

 

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As I said before

Tue, 2008-07-29 23:01

Catch a few keep a few, never bust a gut over it. Do I keep fish in my freezer...absolutely. Ever tried to eat a 24kilo Dhuie in one sitting?....impossible.Wink
I will be trying to find alternative sport species and catching a few whiting for tea during the ban.
My problem is I only get the boat out about 20 times a year so freezing a bit of fish is not a problem.
Besides I have three freezers, one full of dhuie frames for research, can't fit any more in so I will be grabbing Ian shortly, the others just have normal food in them.
The term "Freezer Fillers" is a very extreme term and should not be used when discussing people "topping up" their fish pre the ban. I don;t think we have people on here who are going to go grab 20kilos per person to "Fill" their freezers. They may be taking a little extra for Xmas lunch but that's about it.
I hate the term "freezer fillers" as it suggests greed for greed's sake. I know there are a few out there but hopefully not on this site.

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Anybody who fishes alot 99% of us

Tue, 2008-07-29 23:03

would't fill the freezer up generaly,as fresh is always better
But with the ban they who eat alot of fish i think will stock up a little more than usual
Rodrat my last exxie trip a brought back about 15 kilos but didn't fish for about three months after that i dont see a problem with that.JMO

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17 kilo's of fish is a lot

Tue, 2008-07-29 23:29


never mind 20 kilo's. That;s how much I brought back from 5 days at the Monte's....17 kilo's. All prime Red Emporer etc. Given the size of them that could be as little as 5 fish.
 Surprised
Did I go there with the intention of filling a freezer? ....No!
Did I take advantage of a situation to bring back some fish for the family?....Yes!
Cool
You may have noticed that since that trip in February I haven't been posting many Dhuie pics as I haven't needed to or desired to go out and catch one till the 17 kilo's runs down. I'm now down to my last packet of Red Snapper and have a bit of Baldy from the last trip a few weeks back where I have tried to get others onto good fish, like Therbert, where we stopped fishing soon after he had caught his and headed home as I saw no point in killing another fish on that spot just so I could have one too. So maybe a Dhuie trip is in order soon after all.
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I'd hate to think that me bringing back that amount of fish and then stopping fishing for 4 months, would class me as a "freezer filler". But you see in my eyes, that;s the connotation that can be brought to bear by using such a term to describe anyone who freezes a few fish more than they can eat in one sitting.
 Innocent
There are degrees of "food fishing" and not all deserve such an extreme tag.
WARNING: Bad pun coming....... Its food for thought.Wink

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How's this for an

Wed, 2008-07-30 00:45

How's this for an attitude....my father-in-law is one of those old timers who used to hammer away on the bottom species with his 200 lb handline and one of his favourite stories is about a mate who bought a boat, bottom-bashed for a year, and then sold it because the fish were working out to be "$230 a kilo".

The last time he (father-in-law) came out on my boat, he screamed bloody murder when I released a 48cm dhuie. "Some other b*****d is going to get it now," was one of his less colourful comments. That was two years ago and he hasn't been out with me since.

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Agree with quite a few comments...

Wed, 2008-07-30 07:37

Those fishing in the WCB, with the V5 seasonal closure are facing an unprecedented change, so I can understand the strong feelings and reactions.

I agree with Andy, 'freezer filler' is a very unfortunate term. To use that term will inevitably solicit some strong opposing comments and could make keeping fillets etc sound a lot worse than it is - some will have large tucker box freezers, indeed several, whilst others will have just the freezer compartment in the fridge/freezer. Filling the freezer in each case can mean a whole lot different.

That said, I'm not comfortable with the idea of stocking there freezer with dhuis 'to last out over the closure period'.  

I  agree with Shortly hear WCB demersal fishos do need to build a bridge, and you may not like being told what to do, you need to accept the rules (law). So, make the best of it, and keep alternative species like the KGs I see many catching.

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Ok

Wed, 2008-07-30 07:59

I suppose another thing to ask is who would continue to go fishing and keep and freeze their catch even though they may have 10 kilos or so still in the freezer from the past months or would they just keep enough to eat fresh fish and maybe give a few fillets away. And I dont mean who will continue to go fishing period.

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I think brad could've said

Wed, 2008-07-30 08:18

I think brad could've said it any better. just enjoy your fishing, new styles and new captures. If you get to take home a feed thats just a bonus at the end of the day. No need to go over board because of the closure...............it just means that you will have to hone in on some other types of fishing. Maybe give landbased tailor on poppers a crack or bream on soft plastics........you might be surprised how much fun and how good they taste, something different never hurt anyone.

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agree spess, fishing is for

Wed, 2008-07-30 08:22

agree spess, fishing is for fun, the fish is a bonus, and yes it is very costly to go fishing and we shouldnt be thinking that just beacuse we spend $150 on fuel we need a $150 worth of fillets to go in the freezer, just go out there have fun enjoy it all, meet new people thats what its all about.

 

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Personally

Wed, 2008-07-30 08:50

I don't manage my time on the water by what's in the freezer, rather I go fishing when I have the opportunity, but would be mindful of what I would take home. My deckies do pretty well out of me in those circumstances. If I have plenty of fish in the freezer I will give the deckies the lions share of "my kept catch" plus they get whatever they catch too.

Last trip out I came home absolutely fishless. Released everything. Still enjoyed the day out.Wink
Simple answer is that the state of the freezer is not the driving force but it sits in the back of your mind and may impact on your selection of fish for the table, the species you target and or the size of the smile on the deckie's face.Laughing
I don;t think there is anything wrong with that approach, but you are entitled to disagree of course.Innocent


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Catch and release for me. I

Wed, 2008-07-30 09:18

Catch and release for me.

I sometimes will take a couple KG's home for the old man every now and then but most fish i get i take a pic and put em back

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mmm

Wed, 2008-07-30 10:12

In regards to coming north and keeping your quota, or near to it, the problem is that everyone is now doing it, 15kg x by however many people = a lot of fish. For example, on Sunday alone by 5pm there were 12 bins filled with fish carcasses at Exmouth marina weighing easily 150kg each, effectively 2 tonnes of carcasses, add the fish flesh to that and .......... 6 tonnes conservatively.. Not including the wetliners, what goes on at Tantabiddi and with Bundegi to open soon...................

Thats not even considering the big boat guys that took their catch straight home and with bin day the following day for residential, its any one's guess as to what really got removed... Calculate each fish's age into that and maybe 10,000 + years worth of fish in one day.

I guess thats why I occasionally get on my high horse, you really need to think about things from a collective frame of mind rather than individually, gives you a scare sometimes!

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Sounds scary

Wed, 2008-07-30 10:17

Adam it realy does sound scary when you think about it like that and you have to ask yourself is it realy sustainable, I know it's a big ocean but we dont fish much of it

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My take!

Wed, 2008-07-30 12:13

I personally fish for fun and love being out on the ocean.Despite having a sh!t load of spots I get my biggest buzz from exploring new area's & trying new things mainly. I dont weight up (pardon the pun) each trip re how many fillets/fish I need to catch to make it worth while.

In saying this, if i'm catching quality fish i'll keep what i need/want. Rarely do I keep my limit due to going out all the time so therefore i dont look down on ppl keeping/freezing that extra bit due to getting out only every so often!

When I have ample fish stocks in my freezer I slow right down on the take/keep so I can turn over fish and keep it freezer fresh. This ban will make me fish all the alternatives which I do even without the new ban!

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Fishing Bans

Wed, 2008-07-30 13:07

Do companies that take large amount of fish from the ocean have specific bans?

One would wonder how much of the fish that gets sold to shops around the world actually gets eaten or thrown away ...

Just a thought ..

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tommo77, I can confidently

Wed, 2008-07-30 18:09

tommo77, I can confidently tell you that a very high percentage of the fish that gets sold to shops around the world gets eaten or used up in some way at least, with very little if none wasted. We as recs are probably much less efficient as filleting only returns about 30-45% body mass for most fish types.

I have seen a commercial fish processing line and their efficiency astounds me. The only wastage is the blood that drains out. Guts --> pet food or fertiliser; fillets for the market; frame is put into a meat-bone remover and whats left is made into fish paste or crabsticks; then the bones and scales and whatever is left goes into processing for human, animal, or industrial use in different end-products (marine collagen, pet food, animal feed, etc).

If a fillet sits in a shop for a week and noone buys it, there is no chance in hell that it gets thrown out.

The $$ says everything has a use, so yes in the industry, nothing goes to waste.

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Wed, 2008-07-30 18:14

thanks mate, good read that .. it is good to know they are efficient and if not nothing goes to waste!

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Big and small

Wed, 2008-07-30 18:25

Kill them all as long as it's legal.

 

The quicker we get rid of those pesky vulnerable 5 fish the sooner we can target all the other fish.

 

PS Last time I kept a fish was over 18 months ago , a nice little 50cm Pinky, but I buy fish nearly every week.

 

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Maverick

Thu, 2008-07-31 10:15

Maverick whats the different between taking and buying fish. At the end of the day it still end ups as one dead fish

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opposite

Wed, 2008-07-30 18:29

I won't pay for fish because I know how long it takes to get to me through boats and stores. I was given the right to go fishing, so I go fishing, how much I kill is purely personal. 1 trout for dinner and some squid for entree does me nicely, but I'm lucky and am in a better situation than you Perthies as our weather is a little more favourable and I can get out when I need a feed. When I want some for the freezer when the weathers going bad, I take some for the freezer and I won't let anyone make me feel bad for it because theres some pieces of cow and lamb keeping it company. Wink

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Thanks Adam

Wed, 2008-07-30 19:05

That was the type of response I was looking for weather we feel ok about it because it's within the law.....if the bag limits were quadrupled would we still feel it was ok cos it's within the law even though the fish stocks were low or if there was no bag and size limits would we keep extracting them at an uncontrolled rate or would we be able top see whats happening and self regulate, obviously we didnt in the past but going on the depleted stocks in places like asia and the uk would we be able to control ourselves. I'm not judging anyone here as I said i'm just trying to get an idea on peoples feelings about it and not neccesarily what they actually do on the day on the water

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I'd be lucky if could catch

Wed, 2008-07-30 18:37

I'd be lucky if could catch any keepers.

This is all a bit foreign to me. Having fished in the UK for 38yrs, all of it has been catch & release. I used to think I was being cruel if I couldn't remove the hook quickly.

I understand wanting to keep a feed & good on yer. It's just gonna take me a while to get used to it.

I'm sure I'll catch a biggy oneday. ( & I'll probably throw it back)

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i rarely keep anything i

Wed, 2008-07-30 19:13

i rarely keep anything
i also fished in the uk for 30 odd years
get that same feelin when the hook don,t come out quick and easy
used to put antiseptic on the hook hole back then aswell
been here 14 years still feel guity when i use a livie
but each to thier own
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im a bit the same

Wed, 2008-07-30 19:17

hate keeping fish out of the water for too long and i stress if i cant get the hook out lol

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All this talk about fish in

Wed, 2008-07-30 19:22

All this talk about fish in freezers made me feel guilty, so tonight we defrosted some dhuie and ate it Laughing

Bloody beautifull it was, and I feel better now I've done my bit for freezer sustainability Tongue out

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Wed, 2008-07-30 19:46


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All this talk about fish is

Wed, 2008-07-30 20:04

All this talk about fish is making me hungry.  Hope we get some decent weather soon.

 

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Yeah nice morning high tide

Wed, 2008-07-30 22:14

Yeah nice morning high tide (freo: 9am), but the wind and rain made staying in bed A++

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I agree with ya

Wed, 2008-07-30 21:41

I dont no why i even commented on this post,15kg,17kg,2kg
whatever ever you want as long as its within the rules.
Last fishing trip we caught a few but i didn't take anything its not about getting your money back from costs i was merely stating how much is does cost to run a boat if you were that way inclined you would'nt own a boat.
And yes i will be exploring other things diving for crays targeting other species when the ban is on.

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trying ather things

Wed, 2008-07-30 21:56

come summer we were planing a few trips to rotto to snorkle only catch we will get will be a few on the camera .dont need fishing to enjoy your boat and water its all there for fun

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Russ i spend alot of time over rotto doing the same

Thu, 2008-07-31 02:35

just renewed my annual rotto sticker,you might want to look into it if you have'nt already with the family works out exspensive $10 per person on the boat each visit

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Done to death?

Thu, 2008-07-31 09:25

agree brad, however, i don't need to freezer stock, with my success, it would be cheaper to buy it from the fish monger!!!