Used outboard
Submitted by dallasthedog on Mon, 2013-10-14 19:41
Hi FW's
I was looking for some advice regarding a second outboard purchase.
I have a 1994 7.2m Leeder. The old outboard (1994 v6 Suzuki 4 stroke) has died and I am looking to repower with something as follows:
- Budget of $10k including install,
- 175/ 200 HP,
- ideally 4 stroke but this is subject to price,
- Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki
What I need advice on is:
- Is my budget right?
- Are the brands the right ones?
- Where is the best place to look (I've emailed ~10 Perth dealers and have come up with nil so far)?
Thanks for your help
.thumbnail.jpg "10kg Dhu on 7Seas Hooker, Cervantes 3 Jan 2011")
Vinesh87
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How heavy is the leeder ?
How heavy is the leeder ? Might be underpowered with a 200? All good motors, the yamy and suzy being my number 1 pick! Not sure about second hsnd pricing check gumtree ?
Simon C
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Yes and no
Right brands wrong budget. If the boat is still good why wouldn't u get a new motor? One of the nice new 250 Yamaha 4 strokes would be safe, but see what dealer wants to talk. All motors are pretty good these days - my pick would be yammy or Suzuki. Got yammys on mine and the old mans and both are great 200 and 250. These are the older model and back then the Suzuki probably was a bit better on fuel but the new Yamaha is probably better .
dallasthedog
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I guess it comes down to not
I guess it comes down to not wanting to over capitalise the old girl. 10k is easier to get past the wife than $20/25k. She's 1994, in good nick, but still nearly 20 years old
dallasthedog
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Not sure of weight, it's
Not sure of weight, it's heavy though
Muhling Marine said 175 HP would suffice
gumtree has 3 x 2 strokes of that size at the moment ranging fom 6 to $8k - 2 x Evinrudes and 1 x Mercury - I've not heard greetings about these engines so have given them a miss
Cheers
Shark B8
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Have u looked out side of
Have u looked out side of perth? Try rod at millard marine in bunbury he might b able to help. Or if u need to spend a little extra Maybe finance, I picked up a bike yamaha few months back 1% intrest over 3 years pretty sure they do it for outboards to. Almost to good to refuse. Just a thought
Go big or go home..
dallasthedog
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I'll call Bunbury tomorrow,
I'll call Bunbury tomorrow, thanks for the tip.
RE finance - I'd rather try and stay within my budget if I can
I thought there would be plenty out there - apparently not!
dallasthedog
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That's a top finance deal!
That's a top finance deal! Well done
Rob H
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Id be very suprised if that
Id be very suprised if that was for a used outboard?
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Shark B8
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Yer that's the reason I went
Yer that's the reason I went for new rather than second hand. 4 stroke would b the better way to go.
Go big or go home..
holth
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theres a pair of 200hp merc
theres a pair of 200hp merc optimaxs for sale. $6000 each on gumtree atm.
dallasthedog
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Thanks holth. I did see
Thanks holth. I did see these but a mate recommended against 2 stroke mercury's (that's when I posted this thread)
thanks though
Tradewind
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Check the year on the
Check the year on the Optimaxs to google issues, but as far as 2 strokes go the Mercury Optimax was a good choice
Better fuel economy than the regular two-strokes too
For your budget you'd be doing well to get one of that size but if you have your heart set on a Four-Stroke then stick to your guns
dallasthedog
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Cheers tradieThe opti's on
Cheers tradie
The opti's on GT were 2002. The issues on the opti's when I googled seemed to be the 2001 year so culd be a goer.
I'll keep trying - just been told there are a pair of 4 stroke yammie 150 hps and that one of those would get my boat up and going - they want $12.5k ($14k installed after cables, controller and labour) but its too much. However, If I can negoitiate well, I may get a deal done
fingers crossed
D_d_001
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would do a bit more research
would do a bit more research into weight of your boat etc.
a 150 4 St for what you have seems very underpowered
good luck with what ever you decide
dallasthedog
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Hi D_PThe 150 HP idea came
Hi D_P
The 150 HP idea came from a guy Marine Masters - I like him and he seems very knowledgale, I did rasie in eyeborw but he said it would be fine
Muhling Marine said a 175 HP would be fine
I was thinking 200/ 250 HP but then again, I am an accountant ;)
Cheers
Bodie
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could you go smaller and
could you go smaller and twins? Saw twin 140's or something similar?
dallasthedog
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I don't think the pod I have
I don't think the pod I have is big enough to fit twins so may be an added costs - cheers for the tip though
Nibbles
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Hi mate. I reckon your in
Hi mate. I reckon your in the ballpark with your price range for a 4 stroke. I picked up a 2005, 225 johnson/suzuki 4 stroke (around 300 hours) for 10k installed from a reputable dealer down mandurah way at the end of last year. Granted there aren't a plethora of good 4 strokes for sale to choose from but bide your time and something will come up. With your size boat I wouldn't be going anything under 200hp
dallasthedog
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Well done Nibbles - The
Well done Nibbles - The repower you manage is what is exaclty what I am trying to do! Its good to know that it can be done
Can you tell me the name of the Mandurah dealer you used - I'll call them?
A few people now have mentioned the HP I am looking at is too small for my boat - I'll definely question the mechanic about it now
Thanks for the tips
D_d_001
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what size is the current
what size is the current "dead" OB you have on it ?
dallasthedog
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Its a 1999 v6 suzuki (wich
Its a 1999 v6 suzuki (wich equates to 200 HP I think) - The compression on 1 cylinder is terrible, the others are ok.
One Marine mechanis said he woldn't touch the current engine and that parts were next to impossible to get, Another said I'd be looking at ~6k for a rebuild and his advice was don't bother, get another engine for it.
Nibbles
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Dallasthedog I got our motor
Dallasthedog I got our motor from Brett Ward who is the pinjarra/mandurah suzuki dealer
dallasthedog
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Thanks for that - I'll give
Thanks for that - I'll give him a buzz and see what happens
dallasthedog
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I gave Brendan a buzz
I gave Brendan a buzz Nibbles - He's nearly got his foot on a 175 HP Honda 4 stroke (260 hours) and thinks it will be in the $10-11k price range (plus install) - He'll let me know tomorrow
Thanks for passing on his name
iana
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150HP 4stroke ebay
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/150hp-4-Stroke-outboard-motor-/151142307061?pt=AU_Boat_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2330c894f5
dallasthedog
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Very intersting - A new
Very intersting - A new source to scour - I'm going to get fark all work done today I can tell!
Thanks heaps iana
spinksy
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200 hp Honda
For sale on boatpoint for 12k its over east but could get freighted here for not much. Might be worth a look
dallasthedog
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Legend - thanks Spinksy! I've
Legend - thanks Spinksy!
I've just them a message asking for a diagnostic report of the outbaord and an estimated cost of shipping. I also saw this one on there and have asked the same questions.
http://www.boatpoint.com.au/accessories/details.aspx?Cr=13&R=15676185&__No=150&trecs=682&__sid=1417F76AEEF0&__Ns=pBoat_Price_Decimal%7c1%7c%7cpBoat_IsPremium_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpBoat_HasImage_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpBoat_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpBoat_Model_String%7c0%7c%7cpBoat_Price_Decimal%7c1&__Qpb=1&__Nne=15&seot=1&__N=1550%201555&silo=1500
They are definitely the type of ouboards I am looking for. It will just come to the haggle now.
Cheers
beeroclock
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Hey dallasthedog
Just in case you havent already - have you looked on boatsonline WA and click on outboards - I got mine from there at good price
Cheers Dave
dallasthedog
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Just had a good squizz -
Just had a good squizz - unfornutaltey zilch! Thankf for the tip Beero, I'll keep eye on it going forward.
I'm actually suprised out fewer outboards there are out there for sale that match my critiera
spinksy
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Even Better
That 225 yammy is perfect for your boat only 500 hours too.
iana
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My thoughts.
1. You've been a member for over 4 years and not filled out your profile- naughty naughty.
2. Why would anyone sell a good outboard motor if its matched to their boat - many questions to be asked there.
3. Are you keen on being out on the water, is your family. Are you a good skipper?
4. Are you going to use your boat with your family. Do you value your family.
5. Then if yes to the above, forget your an accountant, Hard to do I know. Forget budgets and buy a new motor.
6. Don't take too much notice of salesman, they just want to sell you a motor. I'd have a chat to Luke Chivers, great bloke. He'll make sure the motor you get is not over or under powered.
7. Be aware that an increase in the weight of the motor will effect trim, I'm assuming that your boat had an inboard in it at one time.
8. Buying a second hand motor is just buying someone else's trouble. Do your self and your family a favour and get a new one.
milsey
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Spot on
Spot on, to be honest i think 10k will only buy you problems and an under powered donk.
I'd be looking for a new/low hours (for a genuine reason) 250ish HP 4st.
dallasthedog
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You took the time to give me
You took the time to give me your thought Iana, so thanks and below are my replies
1. now done
2. a good point
3. I had an old 5.5m penguin (old 70 HP evinrude - never missed a beat) and fished most weekends with mates/ father in law off city beach. I've now upgraded to the leeder (1/2s with mate) with a view of having Rotto fmaily holidays with wife and 2 x kids (2 and 4). SO yes, I'm keen and wife would be keen. I'm not a great skipper, but I'm ok (I was alot better with the old Penguin compared to the Leeder)
4. yes and yes. and a bit of fishing with mates to
5. Thats ~$25k though and I shudder to think of spending that much on a depreciable asset when I have non- deductible debt on my primary place of residence (sorry the accountant is coming back). I am trying to get away with payinh half that and still have a good reliability.
6. Fair point and I've just emailed Chivers now to see what 2nd hand stock they have.
7. Ok noted. I don't think it ever had an in board. I think it was one of a handful of factory made outboards, but don't quote me.
8. I get what your saying, and the last thing I want is a problem or worse yet, a problem for my family. I'm sure you know more about this than me, but I think if I stay patient I can find a suitbale, good condtion and relaible 4 stroke within by budget
Again thanks for your detailed reply - I really apprciate it
dallasthedog
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I spoke with Mark Brown at
I spoke with Mark Brown at Chivers - a nice guy with good knowledge - thanks Iana
iana
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Thanks for responding.
It makes the effort worthwhile. I know exactly what you mean re over-capitalizing. Many an owner of project boats on this forum have gone too far, and a 2000 model boat after spending $48,000 on it is still a 2000 model boat come selling time.
Best of luck with your journey.