Warning passage rock ( s/bay)
Submitted by little johnny on Wed, 2015-10-28 08:36
Good mate doing pots. Big white followed pot up. This morning . Very close in. Photo not great big fish . He has reported to fisheries. Just in case anyone was planning dive in area. He said sharks head 2 times size of motor when it surfaced.100% white he has been on boats his whole life pro and amature boats. Take care
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rigpig
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thanks for the heads up
Bloody things are ruining scuba diving for me. Definitely putting cray pots out from now on..
Walfootrot
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For sale full Apex dive set
For sale full Apex dive set :(
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
axey45
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Want to buy a shark sheild
Want to buy a shark sheild Cheap one just come available Lol. Owner deceased.
Jackfrost80
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I really miss spearfishing
I really miss spearfishing
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
little johnny
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No gps tracker
On it. Apparently there endangered:):):)
Walfootrot
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Just a thought, we could ask
Just a thought, we could ask fisheries to set some drum lines :)
Hell I would even pay for the rigs an bait
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
dodgy
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I'm diving there this
I'm diving there this afternoon....
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
len85
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Sleep in tomorrow then
Was planning on a dive near there tomorrow morning. Guess I'll be sleeping in now. Or calling Petermac...
Lastchance
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Haha,
Must be over 20 foot though.......
barracuda
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nice
cheers for heads up jonny
pulled my two pots on 5 fathom out from there this morning
Swompa
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I have dived there. Was
I have dived there.
Was planning a rotto dive but hear of reports of a 5m GW hanging around the Philip rock area over the past week...
About time they became more endangered in my opinion.
Marineboy
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Shark
dont let it ruin something you really enjoy !
damn media beat sharks up badly, the reality is you have more chance of dying in a motor-vehicle accident than getting eaten by a shark but nobody stops driving.
My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !
Swompa
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Completely agree, and I still
Completely agree, and I still intend to go diving on the weekend though I may just go in shallow water and stick right by a ledge...
If I was to come across a big shark, I am hope it would get turned away by the taste of my poo particles in the water before it got to me.
sunshine
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Marineboy - hmmmmmmmmm say that when you
Have had one make two passes at you in 30 metres of water - yes I am still here and still enjoy diving Exmouth and north.
Ii utterly destroys your enjoyment !
Marineboy
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Sunshine
had a shark move in on us whilst taking a fish off a spear at Abrolhos islands, it's actually rare that they get aggressive in my experience.
Have been diving since I was 14 and am 53 now and still here.
My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !
sunshine
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I note the type of shark not mentioned
Would entirely agree sharks have ALL been tarred with the same brush BUT whites should be considered the exception.
Got or rather had some magic spots to see nurses, bronzies reef etc and loved seeing them, yes they are inquisitive but for the most part nothing more than that.....whites on the other hand bite inquisitively to see if what is in front of them edible particularly when it looks seal like
ranmar850
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Blinkers on/sticking to the green dogma
dont let it ruin something you really enjoy !
damn media beat sharks up badly, the reality is you have more chance of dying in a motor-vehicle accident than getting eaten by a shark but nobody stops driving. unquote
can I please be there when you personally deliver that opinion to a 5 metre GW? And yes, I have an extensive diving background over many years, including abs in SA, and used to take that view you currently have. Fact now is, if they are not around, fine. If they are present, recent history of fatalities would indicate there is some degree of risk attached to having a GW turn up while you are in the water// sarcasm.
Marineboy
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Ranmar
likr I said you have more chance of dying in a car accident than being killed by a shark.
Is that going to stop you driving your car ?
My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !
Craig J
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Your statment is true
But if you play on the road knowing cars are there chances of getting killed are greatly increased.
Common sense I would of thought needs to apply
meglodon
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Good " heads up"
Good move giving all the divers on this site a heads up of what you came across this morning.
May you receive good karma for your deed.
OOH YEH
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Handy tool
this site might be handy Sharksmart.com.au
mallesh
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I believe there is no snapper ban for sharks.
They are still hanging in and around the sound chasing snapper.
Like Ranmar and Craig said do not go if you know they are there. Common sense applies.
Thanks for the heads up Little Johnny.
Divers be safe and then enjoy.
Keep Fishing. Stay Relaxed.
little johnny
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It was heads up comment
Just to let people know Marine boy ,be aware and safe. Bronzys and mako .tigers hammerheads no issue. Been swimming and diving as long as you ( almost) also still here .But the increase in whites lately ( due to snapper spawn). Getting out of control. I will still cont to dive. Up nrth Sharks are gay billions of fish to feed on. I still believe whites are coming in to give birth ( in both sounds) no proof ,not expert. Makes sense shelterd water no predators good food supply . Shark smart I use .There updates are very very slow.??? Everyone always uses cars, when comparing sharks ??? Why???Once again be carefull :):):)
Marineboy
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Heads up
dont get me wrong little johnny I hear what you are saying.
What pisses me off is that 3 peoples comments on this post turned it into I'm never diving again because of sharks.
My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !
Marineboy
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Heads up
dont get me wrong little johnny I hear what you are saying.
What pisses me off is that 3 peoples comments on this post turned it into I'm never diving again because of sharks.
My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !
Walfootrot
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Marine boy,LOL, why are you
Marine boy,
LOL, why are you pissed off that someone you dont know is thinking about stoping diving due to the shark numbers?
Maybe once you have encountered a shark during a dive, or know someone that was taken, maybe then you would understand other peoples point of view.
Pete
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
Marineboy
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Pete
if you read my comment properly I said I'm pissed off caus people turn a heads up about a shark sighting post into something else.
I personally don't care if people dive or not it seems a shame that the beat up on sharks has scarred some people off from doing something that they enjoy.
My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !
axey45
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I heard from blue lagoon
I heard from blue lagoon mussel farm workers that they spotted several juvienile gws over the last few years, so your rite, and the abundance of snapper hence the closure of the sounds n demersal the numbers have boomed. Snapper n Great white numbers. Only to increase again.
meglodon
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Great whites seal population
Does anyone know if the seal population that inhabits Carnac Island (or used to) has been decreasing or has disappeared, or has it increased at all. Just thinking out loud that the increase in sightings of G W may be related to the seal population. Or to be more correct I think they are sea lions, I stand being corrected on just exactly what they are.
Swompa
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Similar to Carnac, there are
Similar to Carnac, there are only ever a handful there. Don't know if seals are residents though, or just find a spot for a season?
Notorious
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I dive there a fair bit
I dive there a fair bit normally - thanks for the heads up
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ranmar850
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if you had read what I said
I made the point that the existence of sharks in the ocean should not be a deterrent to diving. I also said that if a GW WAS KNOWN TO BE IN THE AREA, it is being somewhat head in the sand , or trying to make a foolish, dogmatic point, by actually going diving in that area, at that time. And please don't set up silly comparisons like driving your car, been there, done that, probably made such foolish comparisons when I was younger and sillier, too. If you jump in on top of a GW in a feeding mood, I would say that your chances of dying in a car crash would be somewhat less than being the victim of an attack.
Ok, let's set up another argument, if you want to play it this way. if you were about to dive, and saw a GW circling your boat, would you enter the water? Or if you had seen one close by that morning , would you? if you had seen a seal taken, would you? How far do you push your particular viewpoint? I have dived for 50 years at this point, and for most of that I rarely saw a shark, and said just what you are saying now, because it was true. But around the area in question, at this time, it would appear not .
Willlo
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so 3 people said that they
so 3 people said that they will give up diving because of sharks up to them i would think. I gave up surfing cos of them white's that is after a couple of encounters down south. Good call John letting people know.
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dodgy
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Didn't see it this
Didn't see it this afternoon. Saw plenty of Crays though.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Chinbald
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Bring back Vic
Marine Boy, I'm sick of all the bee sting, bull in a paddock car crash shit , fact is the White population off Perth is increasing. I've surfed dived blah blah blah since I was A kid as well but many watermen I know are more wary now than ever. I have three kids and I don't think they will enter the water with same care free nature that I did. That will be a shame if the numbers exponentially increase in the coming decades. By the way I will be cray diving this weekend. Most people that comment on this are distant observers or part of the PETA rent a crowd. Drum lines and nets required to take out a couple of hundred locally. This is only my opinion with no scientific evidence just experience. Plus I'm sick of people saying they are coming in because of nothing to eat. I,m catching/seeing more fish, whales seals than any time in my short life on the planet. Surfed the whole coast of Australia including Cactus, Coffin Bay and Yorke Peninsula, more wary of Stragglers to Warnbro now!
sea-kem
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Yep they are coming in
Yep they are coming in because there is more to eat and easier to catch. You only have to look at a few of the Cockburn sound snapper pics to see the amount of sharkings. Breeding fish etc are slower and easier prey as they congregate etc.
Love the West!
meglodon
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Whales and seals
Prime food for GWs IMO
NORUN NOFUN
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dont let it ruin something
dont let it ruin something you really enjoy !
That's Friday funnies right there !
meglodon
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Exactly
They have been around for a long time now,get out and enjoy what you have been doing while you can.
beachsoul
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mmmmm
Thank you for the heads up.....it is important we keep doing that. Don't be deterred.
The driving / road risk is just not a fair comparison......Yes people are killed and maimed in car ACCIDENTS regularly......but cars never ever stalk you down and try to eat you.
The fear of being eaten is a healthy primal fear..........
I'm still surfing and diving...I am more aware and cautious then I was in years past, No more surfing until dark . Only diving on clear days...
.I reckon that I would give the Rocko area a miss for now though
coltpeacemaker
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still diving
i still free dive around Cottesloe groyne only went out the other day about 200m out im not going to stop because thats what i enjoy doing. it still amazes me those old boys who swim about 100m out doing laps at cott, at least i can see them under water those guys are like sitting ducks...
little johnny
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I went diving yesterday
Still doesn't stop you . Does make you more aware. Found article in west interesting yesterday abalone diver. Now that job would be scary. Stuff that. They must have balls of steel
burnz
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Done a salvage job last week
Done a salvage job last week with a bunch of commercial divers, the 4 most experienced all had stories about whites. 2 of them x-abalone divers from down south and Kalbarri gave that up because of them, and all said they are more worried about whites now more than ever. Really gets ya thinking when even divers that are in the water every day tell you they are scared of em.
gageroads23
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Test shark shield
Has anyone hung their shark shield over the side of the boat when one has approached to test the reaction.
I am still diving with my son , both wearing shark shields but Im not really convinced about their effectiveness. And with growing grandchildren with a love of the water its a shame that their lives have to be threatened every time they go for a swim.
Eventually they will breed up enough , increasing the threat to a point where a cull is required but then we will have to kill more of them so it makes sense to me to do it now.
Also I struggle to understand why we can carry firearms to shoot Roos ,goats,pigs etc but can not carry protection for ourselves when being threatened underwater , Licence required of course.
gageroads23
Walfootrot
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There is a licence, Its
There is a licence, Its H2
Category H
Category Description H1 a handgun (including an air pistol) H2 an underwater explosive deviceGenuine need test for Category H:
(a) hunting,
(b) recreational shooting, other than by a person described in paragraph under the heading “Restrictions for category H”, and for a purpose described in that paragraph; or
(c) destroying stock or vermin.
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
dumper
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We hung a shark shield a
We hung a shark shield a couple of metres under the boat and watched three 7 foot bronzies fighting over a pinkie only inches away from the tail of it
Willlo
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meglodon
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power head smokie?
I have just read the post about class H firearm licences and the reasons you are not allowed to have what is called a smokie or power head . Has anyone ever applied for a licence for such a thing using self defence as a reason for requiring one.
Surely that would be a justifiable reason for a licence and using the past history of attacks on divers, spear fishermen in recent times it's not like you are seeking one in case you get attacked by a polar bear or some other abstract reason.
Just a thought.
Notorious
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I sold my sharkshield - I'm
I sold my sharkshield - I'm not convinced they work.
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Madmerv
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Sharkshields
Going to put my 2c worth in here and that may be all it's worth.
Over 10 years ago, after some hairy situations on scuba, i decided to do some research on the sharkshields in prep to buying one. I ended up talking to a guy who was involved in freedive spearfishing comps. His take on it was the electrical signal works well on a shark that is just having a poke around. If the shark has decided to have a chew, like the snapper senario above, then it will not work. He also had a theory that the signal, when diluted with distance, actually bought the sharks in to have a look as they normally pick up minute electrical impulses from prey. The diluted electrical impulses from the sharkshield at distance is something they have not felt before so they come in to check it out, and they can detect it from a LOOONG way out.
His take on it was if you are going in the water with others then all have the shield or nobody.
I decided to save my money but my dive buddy's wife made him get one. I dont dive with him anymore.
Sometimes when the water is quiet, you can hear the fish laughing at you !
Moking
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Hey Johnny- Here's a clear
Hey Johnny- Channel 9 is showing a video from yesterday, great white behind Penquin Island.
Still hanging around in close.
Scroll down to find Link:
9 News Perth - Facebook
My Dad taught me how to Fish-Thanks Dad.(RIP)
tangles
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yep
same with ab diver from here. He wont dive with one on.
Spot on merv! Sharks are attracted to the electrical pulse thais put out and if youve got say a 1tonne white coming in at speed to inspect with his teeth a little shock from a shield isnt gona slow him dwn if anything hes probably going to get off on the zap and go harder
little johnny
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Heaps of
Fish and chips there:):)
hooty
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It doesn't take to much
It doesn't take to much effort to find real data / research on the shark shield.
http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2012/06/20/3529306.htm
No suggestion that the shark shield attracts sharks and as for stopping a full on attack, perhaps the towed seals would be the best representation. Read into it what you will.
rigpig
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a little psychological help
I'll continue to use my shark shield freedom 7 as I believe any aid to keeping me safe is worthwhile investing in. At least in my head I feel i have done all I can do and the rest is out of my hands, besides I get an underwater laugh from time to time when the antenna drags over my dive buddies face and shocks the shite out of him.. ah good times.
BlueKiaser
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Some numbers
You can find this data publicly available out there, but I think it's worth mentioning.
There is an estimated 5 to 10 thousand Great White Sharks swimming around Australia's 30+ thousand kilometres of coastline (estimated about 1000 GWSs around South Africa).
By the 1990s, Great White numbers globally had been in dramatic decline, hence their current protected status.
About 100-500 Great Whites are killed by Humans each year (protective netting, drum lines, bycatch etc...).
Great White's generally roam at about 3km/hr and often travel thousands of kms within months, usually travelling in the deeper waters 30+ kms offshore. They are generally not territorial (unlike say a Tiger shark), although Australia has some hotspots with estimated numbers of about 200 Great Whites in about a 260km square area (dangerous reef, SA).
Great Whites are generally not dangerous in their early years, born at 1.2-1.5m long. At lengths of about 2.7m and above they feed primarily on mammals (seals, whales, etc...). Several documentaries show that at lengths less than 2.7m they don't appear to be aggressive to humans. They can grow to 6m and 40years of age, females bigger than males.
Statistically, ignoring deaths caused by GWSs, Scuba divers in Australia have about a 1 in 200,000 chance of dying each dive (>10 deaths/yr). In many other countries, this number is as high as 1 in 10,000. There is an average of less than 1 scuba diver per year killed by GWSs (in Aus out of an estimated 2 million scuba dives / yr).
Obviously, diving at Dangerous Reef, SA carries a higher risk than coral spectating on the Barrier Reef.
Tom M
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Im sure the surfers on the
Im sure the surfers on the east coatst feel at ease with these statistics. Any one in the know will tell you that you can make statistics to tell whatever outcome you are wanting.
Tom M