What''s going to happen now
Submitted by meglodon on Tue, 2018-07-31 19:05
With Andrew Forrest donating a cool 100 mil for fish sanctuaries because he believes that some species of fish are disappearing I wonder where the information he has got has come from .
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Faulkner Family
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he must have been talking to
he must have been talking to the sharks , they are telling him they are finding it harder to get a feed so they have to take what them humans are catching on their lines
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some areas need to be protected but bet they wont touch them only where we all fish
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stricko
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He should send his sanctuary
He should send his sanctuary monies over seas like his profits australia has pretty good fisheries mangment ourproblem is most of our domestic sold fish is imported from countries with little or no controls and our fish caught here is near all sold as export and if not the price is controlled by the export price thats the problem.
Darren253
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Not that I want to see more
not that I want to see more lockout zones, but you’ve got the wrong end of the stick here Stricko.
FMG paid $2B in tax last year, more than all of the other big miners combined...
He has also donated over $1b of his personal funds in the past few years to causes he believes in. Maybe much of his $100m will be about keeping Shell/BHP off the Ningaloo reef or keep the super trawlers away rather the domestic protection zones... One can only hope!
MyDisco2
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FMG Tax 2017
Hi Darren, thats not exactly true. I agree with you that Twiggy is on the right path here, and has donated crap loads to help WA directly over the years, but for FMG's $2B AUD paid last year I think Rio paid around $3.8B USD which is more than double. So they should too considering they made a crap load off WA resources like FMG.
So while FMG are certainly paying there way, it's not more than all the other big miners combined.
Cheers.
Darren253
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Thanks for the
Thanks for the correction...
Its easy to jump to conculsions and react media hype. My defence was for FMG (no direct relation other than a Western Force fan) as i read there year end statement but I am happy to be corrected on that fact.
I would edit my above comment but its locked now...
MyDisco2
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No problems.
No Problems Darren, I'm over the bashing that Twiggy gets all the time, he's done plenty wrong no doubt but plenty of good as well. The only reason I know that Rio tax figure is the propaganda literature they are spewing out all the time trying to tell everyone they pay enough tax!!
Cheers.
Stefan
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Sorry to be pedantic but Rio
Sorry to be pedantic but Rio paid $3.8b usd in taxes and royalties. Something like $1.3b of that was royalties which are not a tax but the price paid to the owners of the iron ore, which are the people of WA. That said Rio's tax is still substantial but that are really good at making it loo a lot better than it is.
MyDisco2
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Propaganda..
Yep, agree with your comment regarding talking themselves up like I mentioned. Should have been clearer that that included royalties as in their Taxes Paid report 2017 although as it’s in USD the $2.5b tax (withought royalties) is still a decent sum in AUD
They all include royalties though in their tax amounts, the $2.1b AUD from FMG includes royalties too.
was more a reference to the fact FMG does not pay more tax than all the other miners.
Cheers.
deep south
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$100m
Wouldn't that sought of money go along way if put towards shark mitigation, popular swim beach protection measures or subsidising personal shark deterrents not screwing over rec fishers and closing down any place that holds a few fish
I'm sure that between all us rec fishos buy the time we pay our licenses and boat and trailer regos and insurances and pay our fuel tax etc we would easily contribute that much coin every year but because the big wig with big cheque book pipes up our piss week government will think thats great and do what ever Twiggy wants
Fucken shits me , in case you couldn't tell
The next time i see that jig will be in the mouth of something big !!
little johnny
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Pretty sure they wanted to lift
Certain sancturary areas ( government) and let pros in. He wants them left alone.could be wrong. Nice new boat he has.
bod
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For those who missed it
Andrew ‘Twiggy’ Forrest on Tuesday upped his philanthropic commitment to total half a billion dollars with the announcement of $100 million for ocean research.
He simultaneously announced he was joining a high-profile campaign against the federal government’s marine parks plans.
The announcement marks an eleventh-hour win for the Save the Marine Parks campaign as a vote on the laws are expected in August.
Labor and the Greens oppose the plan, which dramatically winds back the protections of the original plans drafted under Labor in 2012, and leaves vast areas of the planned marine parks, including areas near Ningaloo and Perth Canyon near Rottnest, open to fishing and mining.
The $100 million will pay to set up an Exmouth research facility that will coordinate a team of researchers from numerous Australian scientific organisations. They will have access to the 184-foot research vessel Pangaea Ocean Explorer, which the family has privately acquired for this purpose. Aboard the vessel atop the underwater Perth Canyon off Rottnest, one of the areas to be opened to commercial fishing if the marine parks legislation goes through, Mr Forrest also confirmed he had been for the past two years completing a PhD in marine ecology.
He said his research had convinced him global commercial fishing and governmental practices were sending the ocean into a “hideous decline” and moreover, the Australian government had disregarded “bulletproof” science.
“Stripping marine parks back when we know they are hubs of sustainability ... should be of concern to every Australian,” he said.
“The science has been basically ignored ... they must realise the tremendous damage it is going to do to our oceans.”
University of WA Centre for Marine Futures director, Professor Jessica Meeuwig, who has publicly criticised the marine parks plans since their release, said the announcement and donation could be game-changers, coming as they did at a time when science was being undermined globally. They had the power to transform ocean research in Western Australia.
“Our oceans are in serious trouble,” she said. “We have a Great Indian Ocean garbage patch. We need to pay attention to what’s going on in our oceans and that takes resources.”
Minderoo Foundation director Fiona David said beyond the campaign to save the parks, the foundation would collaborate with other groups to develop a Global Fishing Index that would help hold governments to account. It would bring together a vast amount of existing research and data on sustainable levels of fishing, and would make it accessible to the public in an easily understandable form to help ensure the long-term future of the oceans.
The five-level Pangaea is home to seven smaller boats that can be deployed in a variety of environments for a variety of scientific purposes, such as shallow reefs and deep “bluewater” environments, and has powerful communications equipment for liaising with scientists anywhere in the world, no matter how far from land the ship is.
Pangaea is ice-class, meaning it can and will be travelling into the Antarctic. Researchers aboard will be spending every hour of daylight sinking baited camera rigs deep into the water to track the species there, while specially programmed drones rove ahead and behind the ship recording life closer to the surface, such as dolphins, turtles, whales, rays and ‘basking’ sharks.
Forrest urged the Australian public to sign the petition from Save the Marine Parks before it is handed to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.
“I want your grandkids and my future grandkids to be able to go fishing. I don’t want the fish to have already been pressed into a tin and shipped off to another country. It’s time to put politics aside. Suspend the vote ... take a breather ... make a decision to act in the best interests of our oceans and of the Australian people.”
Environment Minister Josh Frydenberg has previously characterised the new plans as “balancing conservation with certainty for those who made their living from oceans”.
He has said making more areas open to commercial fishing means less economic impact on ports, reduing the impact on Fremantle Port by 61 per cent and for Albany by 40 per cent. He has said new zones provide additional protection for Ningaloo, Geographe Bay and Bremer Canyon. The government has also said that tuna, prawn and other seafood producers around Australia welcomed the plans.
Protections proposed in the 2012 plan reduced by 73 per cent, with a large area to remain open to recreational fishing, applications for commercial fishing including trawling, and oil and gas exploration and mining.
Ring-shaped reef encircling a shallow lagoon full of diverse corals and marine life was designated a sanctuary zone (pink) in 2012 plan. New plan downgrades it to National Park (green), with recreational boating and commercial shipping allowed to transit through. Pumping out and refilling of ballast tanks, and disposal of boating waste would also be allowed.
Designated as National Park in the 2012 plan. New plan has it reduced in size by 45 per cent, with the rest open to all extractive activities, including trawling.
National Park protections in 2012 plans moved further offshore; canyon head, a biodiversity hotspot, now proposed to be open to fishing and boating.
Protections in the 2012 plans rolled back with now only marginal protection proposed: one square of National Park, less than 2 per cent, amid much larger regions of recreational fishing, boating and potentially commercial fishing.
National Park protections in the 2012 plans have been moved far offshore.
From WA Today 31/7/2018
robert1979
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Little Johnny and Darren are
Little Johnny and Darren are on the money as far as I understand. The $100m is for marine research, not sure how it relates to shark mitigation. What twiggy is proposing is the opposite of what the government is trying to do. In terms of what rec fishers contribute, I think licence revenue was about 7.5m last year so I would say 100m is pretty significant. Political agendas aside, I am all for quality marine/fisheries research and good science. Rather our fisheries don't end up in the sorry state of others around the planet.
stricko
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Quality marine /fisheries
Quality marine /fisheries research i think i just saw jessica murings name mentioned above somewhere so you can throw that idea out the window.
Deckie
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Sharks.
Maybe if they revisit restoring the shark fishing licences along the coast, some inshore reef species will not be under so much threat.
The more fishermen lose to sharks, the longer they stay to try and catch something to take home. Plus the sharks take their fair share as well.
Just my opinion but I think it is worth some thought......
Cheers & Stay safe
marble
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Other high-profile supporters
Other high-profile supporters of Save the Marine Parks include Cold Chisel, Midnight Oil, Birds of Tokyo, The Living End, Missy Higgins, Cody Simpson, The Hoodoo Gurus, The Avalanches and Something for Kate.
Call me a cynic but I bet most of these don't even know where Exmouth is let alone have been here .free publicity by jumping on the green bandwagon
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Yep
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LOL. Good old Pink Bats
LOL. Good old Pink Bats Peter is still around is he?
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sea-kem
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Yeah got his arse handed to
Yeah got his arse handed to him in politics lol , after all those years of banging the political drum through his music he turned out to be a lightweight. Like I've always said if you're not a piemaker don't buy a pie shop.
Love the West!
dodgy
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I thought pink batts were
I thought pink batts were the good ones?
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
uncle
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Plenty going down on
Facebook regarding this crap from those in the know
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Jackfrost80
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Old mate is now fighting
Old mate is now fighting battles on about 3 fronts. We'll have to start calling him Germany soon.
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
uncle
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Has 3 new iron ore boats
How mant aussies work on them you reakon?
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Fathom
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"Whats goiung to happen now?"
Well considering he is a hell bent god loveing christian that must believe Earth is only 6000yrs old (according to his bible) then he might not be willing to accept reality? Is he going to tell the truth or restrict it to co-incide with his beleifs? I would love to be part of this research but find that unless he denouces his "faith" it will be futile and in my opinion ---null and void
Billcollector
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No doubt the 100 mil will be
No doubt the 100 mil will be a tax deduction so who is really funding it? Twiggy or the average joe missing out on those tax benefits.
uncle
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Sounds like the twigs
Press conference went down well with the fishing fraternity!!
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