Yachts on Foreshore Palm Beach

 Early morning damage may get worse later today. 3 yachts on palm beach and a few on the beach beside Mangles bay fishing club 

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We need a marina this is why we cant get insurance

Tue, 2018-06-05 12:52

We need the wanliss street boat marina in Rockingham

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Funny just talking

Tue, 2018-06-05 13:30

About that with guy at work. But your right save a heap of pain for people

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Unfortunately it's the same old story

Tue, 2018-06-05 13:52

Unfortunately this is too often a sight at Rockingham beech, I feel for the people who own these fine craft as getting them re floated can be an expensive and time consuming job.
At the end of the summer season the top priority job has to be survey and repair the mooring to help mitigate against this type of thing occurring.

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 When the Premier of your

Tue, 2018-06-05 15:20

 When the Premier of your backyard is not interested it is a tough fight, thank him for his support at next election.

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Has anyone noticed a common point of failure?

Tue, 2018-06-05 17:40

 Looking at them, is there chain /rope still hanging off the bollard? Are they failing below water? Or are just dragging the whole lot ashore, meaning it just isn't heavy enough? We had an ongoing issue when we used to moor at Jacques and the Bluff, in the years the river was closed or difficult.  The bottom of the chain, about 2 fathoms worth, would just wear out from sandblasting, as far as we could work out. This would happen even if they weren't used. A few blokes found out, to their pain,that you can't just rock up and go on any old moooring, if you didn't know it had been done that year. We would have a bit more length on the riding chain up to the float ( 5/8" or 3/4" ), and replace it every  second year. In the years between, you would just take a bight in it with a shackle to go around the worn bit. I know the ocean at Kalbarri has a lot more movement on the bottom than Cockburn Sound, but is this happening?

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Hit it on the head ranmar.

Tue, 2018-06-05 18:15

Hit it on the head ranmar. All our moorings up here have to be certified EVERY year and the port keep good records. Unfortunately this same scenario happens every year down there. Winter storms in the south are no different to our cyclone season so should these yachts still be in the water or hardstanded for the season?

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And while I'm at it yachties

Tue, 2018-06-05 18:18

And while I'm at it yachties are the worst culprit for rocking up and using an empty mooring even though they know nothing about the strength of the mooring used.

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Your correct

Tue, 2018-06-05 19:11

Some had the lot . Railway sleeper and float. Some had snapped double ropes on. Couple had nothing

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My boats out there as is a

Tue, 2018-06-05 19:37

My boats out there as is a few of My Mates and they are still there,,in the water hanging on a rope,but then We change the bridles regularly and keep all the ground tackle in good condition.It's not brain surgery! Most of these boats where always going to beach the blue one My Mate even suggested to the Owner that rope is fairly cheap and maybe He should replace His bridles,only to be told to Get F....!

It is very rare indeed that a well maintained and suitable mooring fails!These wood ducks make us all look bad.

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Not like there isn't a

Tue, 2018-06-05 19:40

Not like there isn't a history of boats going aground there....

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Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?

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Nature

Tue, 2018-06-05 20:03

Surely in some cases even the prepared ones have had failures. Nature is one savage bitch!

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We always had the riding chain going up to a buoy.

Tue, 2018-06-05 20:25

 Rope from there, or, in  my case for a couple of years, 10mm s/s cable doubled up and crimped. But mostly 32mm rope. People used to stress about the swivel and shackle under the buoy wearing out, as the weight of the riding chain ( we were in 5 to 8 fathoms of water) was always on it. But the wear was not here, always on the bottom part of the riding chain. The ground chains, always buried in the sand, never showed any significant signs of deterioration.  We never lost a boat to riding rope failure, even when we got caught out by weather. We had one go up on Red Bluff beach, the Niobe Queen, from memory, only about 40'--he had put his own mooring down, way too light, and inside everyone else. Big swell, onshore, dragged the lot. All the others, including at least one that was recovered after a chase up the coast, being pushed along by a sou'easter, were all down to the bottom chain wearing through.  As someone else said, 3 or 4 fathoms of rope is cheap.

Do these blokes, assuming they ARE insured, have to have their moorings surveyed? As commercial vessels, we had to have it done every year, and they were put down to a standard. There was a formula including length and weight, obviously, but windage from stuff like flybridges was actually taken into account as well.  I put my own down at the Bluff,but only because Ledges Diving couldn't make it in time, so I laid it to their formula. IIRC, there were 2x 200lb railway line anchors, T-shape with flukes both side, and over a tonne of 3/4" ground chain, and 20 fathoms of 5/8" riding chain.. This was for a 42' boat, no flybridge. We loaded it into the bait rack, shackling it together as we dragged it onboard.  The two picks hanging off the bait rack, one each side, tied on with rope. Chain laid out on the deck. A very  slow and careful trip down to the Bluff, line her up, cut the rope on the first pick and hit the throttle to run the chain out, riding chain and buoy going over as well as you hit the middle, hit the end and, as it  slows you to a stop, the rope holding the second pick will just snap off before you can cut it.  Modern OH&S people would have a fit,  bloody dangerous if you get it wrong, good fun thinking back on it. 

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I heard that insurance for a

Tue, 2018-06-05 20:56

I heard that insurance for a boat on a mooring in Mangles bay wasnt available. If thats the case, then survey of the mooring gear wouldn't be compulsary like it is on the river, Rotto and other places where it is enforced by DOT/RIA. 

I could be wrong but info came from a contact in the commercial diving industry who installs moorings.

Whitey may be able to confirm?

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 yes you r right- uo to owner

Wed, 2018-06-06 05:28

 yes you r right- uo to owner

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I have one with my 42 footer

Wed, 2018-06-06 10:38

I have one with my 42 footer on it, you must have it inspected every 2 years and the report sent off. This is only for the mooring not the ropes from the mooring to the boat, I run 2 x 5t ropes plus 1 x 10t rope as a backup should the 5t ropes fail, replace the 5t ropes every year and the 10t every 2 years

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More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!

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 Makes sense. Mangles

Tue, 2018-06-05 21:05

 Makes sense. Mangles moorings are much cheaper than swan river moorings. Even saw one advertised for free last week. 

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Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?

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 often its one mooring fail-

Wed, 2018-06-06 05:29

 often its one mooring fail- and that boat takes more out on the way through

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Shark1 thats what may have

Wed, 2018-06-06 11:13

Shark1 thats what may have happened with the 2 yachts close together as they often end up on beach together,thats why I have NO time for People neglecting Their gear!

Steveo81 Yes You can get insurance I have with a Company and My Mate is with another,however I do have a mooring elsewhere and when asked My Mate stated Rockingham as bieng area of mooring,He did not mention Mangles Bay!

Like I said before it is a VERY RARE occasion that a well maintained and adequate mooring will fail,shit it was only blowing 40 knots too..maybe 50 at the max gusts I was there watching at the time I certainly have seen worse!

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With a good mooring..

Wed, 2018-06-06 20:10

 You'll rip your king post/bollard out before it fails. 

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 And that is what happened to

Wed, 2018-06-06 23:51

 And that is what happened to one of the yachts there

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