Your thoughts please guys
Submitted by maskie on Mon, 2012-03-12 22:08
Hey guys I recently purchased a 7.2 razor line. Paid 88k for it. I then found out when towing it home. 1 it had no number plates 2 the trailer lights didn't work. Then on my first outing I found out the VHF 27 meg and cd radio didn't work. Also the bilge bait pump and fuel gauge was broken. I contacted the owner and he's response was you don't get warranty when buying a boat. Wat r your thoughts on how to handle the situation
sea-kem
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Let it go as there's not much
Let it go as there's not much you can do about it, presuming a private sale?. A shithouse thing to do from the previous owner but it's also buyer beware. For that amount of coin I would have got one of those boat check mobs involved.
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Wes F
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Yeh agree Sea kem Buyer
Yeh agree Sea kem Buyer beware. Everything should have been checked and test ran before some sort of deal/paper was signed. He would have to transferr trailer into his name should have dawned on him then that it wasn't licenced. Or if it was licenced a walk around when hooking up trailer and light check (licence plate light as well). For those kind of dollars a professional survey/overall check would have picked up faults. If this fella is still a mate have a word sholud be able to come to some arrangement (maybe not such a good mate)
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snappermiles
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you should have checked it
fix it yourself you dont have a leg to stand on
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sammy85
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Call him and tell him u will
Call him and tell him u will take it further. Also great boat I own a razor line and very happy with it
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Faulkner Family
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was it private or dealer.if
was it private or dealer.
if the trailor had no plates or lights working and it was from a dealer as far as i understand its their responsability to fix the prob, if from a private owner, you should have checked all this out before you gave over the $. as far as the radio's and other electrics, firstly check fuses are ok. it would again be your responsability.
however if you arent satisfied my understanding there is a cooling off period weather it be private or dealer.not too sure how you would go with private but if dealer you can tell them fix the stuff or the deal is off and get your money back, if they play hardball threaten them with small claims
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Rob H
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no cooling off period for
no cooling off period for private sales
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Rod P
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Just to clarifie there is
Just to clarifie there is also no cooling of peroid buying from a boat dealer either.. Sadly boat dealers arn't regulated in any way like the car game.
i believe they should be.
maskie
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Yeah. Should I checked it
But when your handing over 88k on something a year old you would expect those things to work. It's a little hard to check bait n bilge pump in the driveway and as for the radios they turn on but won't transmit or let you talk or hear. He worked away there for we couldn't really test drive it and I had heard great reports on these boats therefor didn't see the need to test drive it.
snappermiles
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1st rule of thumb
always take a boat for a test drive!!! check he hasnt wired the radios to the wrong antenas! it cvould be a simple change of plugs fix
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terboz123
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cha cha ching..... Always
cha cha ching.....
Always ALWAYS test drive your boat, and even though i have grown up on boats driving them since i was 13, i still got a boat mechanic to go over my boat head to toe.....
thats rule no 1.
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ouch i think you just got
ouch i think you just got done with the electrics. should be able to set all new gear in it for a reasonable price. still should have lights that work and a licence plate that is registered. better check on that one before you go down the road and get busted.
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kane
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Heard there's a common problem
With razerline fuel guages, as for the other items not working well if a private sale I wouldn't trust anything without checking it.
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meglodon
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caveat emptor
Sorry to hear abouit your plight, I think 88K is outside the scope of the small claims tribunal.It unfortunately comes back to buyer beware and some people have no principals or morals when selling stuff.
The good news as has been stated above they all sound like small items to fix I agree with the advice check the trailer licence before you take it any where as an unlicenced trailer is an uninsured trailer as fas as I understand. Looking at the bright side you are going to have countless hours of fun on the ocean in the new toy (get the motor checked out before heading out on the grea bigt blue stuff)
chris raff
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Can't do diddly squat legally
Can't do diddly squat legally as it's 2nd hand brought as is...hopefully it's registered and you checked there wasn't money owed on it...that could be the real nightmare...
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Rob H
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sorry but heres some tough love
It sucks, what has happened to you here, there is always someone waiting to get hold of your coin.
BUT SERIOUSLY-did you fork out $88K for a boat privately without even doing a REV's check on it? If you had you would have at least known it was unregistered.
Even worse, you better friggin do one RIGHT NOW as there may be money owing on it. In which case......
Heres the clincher-I hope that whoever stole Joe M's Bermuda doesnt find someone such as yourself when they try to flog it.
Cos then there will be 2 sad stories on FW and a happy crook.
Im sorry if this sounds harsh, but crime DOES pay when people are too trusting to ask any questions.
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kempy
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Unfornatuley private sale so
Unfornatuley private sale so no leg to stand on like other have said i hope it isnt stolen or moeny owing on it because that will be a night mare. I think if i was going to wok out 88k I would check everything and especailly test drive the boat.
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sunshine
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No REVS check available for boats
So it is double buyer beware
Rob H
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there certainly is Sunshine,
there certainly is Sunshine, normal REVs covers cars and rec boats.
But there is also another commonwealth register which is more for commercial vessels, cant remember what its called.
EDIT-just found this on the REVs site;
Buying from a boat dealer
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till
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http://www.boatsonline.com.au
http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boat-buyer-guide.html <-- revs for boats
sunshine
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REVS ceased in January
And using the new national replacement is far from easy
Rob H
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whats it called?
EDIT-Sunshine is correct-and here is the message I found on the website
Important Announcement/sThe Personal Property Securities Register is currently experiencing intermittent technical difficulties with a number of account management and registration transactions. Please note the ability to search the register is not currently affected.
System engineers are working to restore service as soon as possible. We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.
Please continue to check this website for further updates.
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till
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Ahh, here it is:
Ahh, here it is: http://www.ppsr.gov.au/ForConsumers/ForConsumersSearching/Pages/default.aspx
dkonig82
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Beat me to it!Agree with
Beat me to it!
Agree with Sunshine though - a difficult system to get your head around in some respects. I've read 270pages of Act and Regs and still dont get it :-(
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dkonig82
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As Sunshine suggested above -
As Sunshine suggested above - REVS went out the door on 31 January, and the Personal Property Securities Register is your new one stop shop for registering encumbrances over all kinds of personal property (which has an extremely wide definition, but for the purposes of this post includes cars, motorbikes, boats, trailers etc).
Dan
When asked by a non-fisherman 'how many fishing rods do you really need?' the correct answer is either:
n+1 (where n is the number of fishing rods you currently own); or
n-1 (where n is the number of fishing rods which would cause your significant other to dump you.
maskie
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The guy was a mate
This guy was a mate trailer is registered and no money owing. I see the reason to do a revs check because he's a mate of mine. He assured me all this stuff worked and ran well.
Faulkner Family
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if he is a mate he will fix
if he is a mate he will fix it all up when he is in town. hope he doesnt leave you high and dry with the electrics then
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Rob H
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you left that bit out
but I notice you said "was" a mate.
Really Maskie, your "mate" knobbed you over the electrics, but you think he has a concsience and would only knob you a little bit?
You obviously are doubting hes told you the truth or you wouldnt be asking strangers here how to deal with your mate.
Heres the scenario-if he discovered that the PREVIOUS owner left money owing (or he may not even know) YOU are the one that will be losing out.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
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terboz123
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no offence man, and i dont
no offence man, and i dont meen this in a negative way...but a friend has sold you boat for 88k, and he told you everthings okay, and all these problems now?
a hard days fishing still beats work
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Judging by his attitude
in your original post he's not going to play the game...hand him a copy of the invoice once received and tell him to lift his game...otherwise invite his mrs out for lunch
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little johnny
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sorry to here
you must be very trust worthy person,,,not good ....hopefully carma will bite him in the ass..
barneyboy
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Alot of you are jumping to conclusions pretty quick here
Mention it to him. Might be a prob you can sort out in a couple of hours!! dunno but thats what I would do!! You could fix it and hit him up for the difference? You could ask him to fix it at his expense? You could fix it together? I would be asking him to cough up the difference anyway you go, especially if he said everything was working!!
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squidder
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Caught
any fish in the boat??, if so all in all those little things you mentioned on a deal that would cost, at todays rate somewhere in the vicinity of $120k aren't really worth mentioning??
Rod P
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Warrenty is for something
Warrenty is for something that fails after you have bought it. Seems to me this guy honestly just lied and he can be made to provide as per the agreement, weather it be verbal or written. It is the minister of fare trading and i think you would have a case. BUT to be honest you simoly should have checked it all out.
It does supprise me how often people part with cash with no more than a hand shake..
Hope it all works out.
Rod
till
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Not really even clear the guy
Not really even clear the guy lied, doesn;t look like the buyer asked the right questions, much less checked the gear out himself.
fishy fingers
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Did you see it?
did you actually see it before you bought it
.......theres more to this than were being told me thinks!!!! sorry mate but how can you find out on the way home? didnt you notice when you hooked it up? and why ffs didnt you check the other things BEFORE
taking it out?
maskie
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Yes fishy fingers I did see
Yes fishy fingers I did see it before I took it home and the lights didn't work. The previous owner assured me they worked so I put it down to my car laying up. It was the first time I took the boat out when I realized these things didn't work. I then preceded to check every little wire and and fuse before i brought to his attention. Im not an idiot
maskie
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It's a bit hard
It's a bit hard to test bilge pumps and bait pumps in the drive way with no water and you can't talk to another via VHF in the drive way either.
maskie
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Its all
It's all been sorted the guy had decided to play ball and fix these things just took a few nice words for him to do so. Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
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Good
Good result maskie.
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Rob H
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good result for sure.To go
good result for sure.
To go from flat refusal and denial to play ball and fix everything with just a few nice words is a marvelous achievement!
A job at the United Nations awaits you!
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
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Faulkner Family
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good to hear things are
good to hear things are going to get sorted. not good when bitten but sounds like you bit back
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squidder
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I brought
this POST to the previous owners att' and to all he is not a deviate or sly in any way. The correct approach usually helps get things sorted.
Check before you pay.
Cheers
Rob H
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always more to the story isnt
always more to the story isnt there!
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.