yeah some people do take the piss, i think this is one of those occasions

That's a bit harsh services are done every 100+ hours so u can't be responsible if u guys only do 20 hours up there to pay for the whole amount

I can get the bearings ( but just ) , I really cant get the service cost. Thats part of it and I woudn't ask my mates who come out with me to split that. Just the usual fuel, bait and ice.

I reckon those expenses for boat maintenance should be his alone I think

Yep, It's a bit rich, helping him do the wheel bearings and preparing the boat for the road trip is one thing but paying for all that maintenance type stuff which would need to happen whether you were going on a trip or not is not on.

 Wheel bearings are fair enough but any maintanence is his responsibility as the owner of the boat. Sounds like he is using this as an excuse to have you guys pay for all the things he hasn't done himself. Personally I would pay for my own wheel bearings also for my own boat but maybe just get the guys to give me a hand to fit them. Cheaper to just hire a boat up there than to rebuild your mates boat for him.

service and maintainance of boat and trailer entirely upto the owner, crew split cost of fuel and bait and accomodation/food if a trip away, you buy a boat you fix it yourself.

must not be much of a mate!

On all the big "boys" trips we go on normally the deckys get a little more of the fuel to kinda cover the cost of maintenance (take 3 on the boat and normally the 2 deckys get a extra tank of fuel for the car each). Any spares and bearings that we do on the trip are split between everyone - if none get done no charge...

We also split the oil when it is a 2 banger....

what we ussualy do is split the costs evenly at the end for fuel bait ice etc. and then everyone puts another 10 dollars onto that minus the owner of the boat ( ussauly his car too) to cover ware a tare. its not much but after say 5 trips with 5 blokes, thats 200 bucks towards the boat alone.

 Interesting question....it depends. I have never charged any more then the share of fuel and bait but......up here its as good as 10per hour for outboard running cost ($1000 servicing costs)So if we were to do a trip up the kimberly as I have done in the past and we clocked up 50hrs which we do. Would it be rude to ask for half of the 50hr servicing costs. I never have but then again i had to fork out to buy the boat, insure it, regos etc. So maybe it would be rude if the crew didnt offer.

I'll keep just spiltting the fuel and bait costs but theres room for thought to the deckys on big trip. Lets face it, its bloody expensive to buy and run a boat.

CCC

i would tell him to get stuffed and stay at home what a rude prick

Agree with most comments here. You own the boat you service  and pay for it.The service covers the boat for a year so why would you have to pay for that being a deckie who might only get that one trip on the boat. I provide all the fishing gear as well but get the deckies to throw in a $100 each for terminal tackle etc. All the rest bait, piss fuel split even ways.

 The deckies I have always help out in all trailer and boat maintenance, but I pay for almost everything (except some odds n bobs).

Wouldnt ever ask them to pay for servicing or purchasing parts for trailer maintenance

yeah but how much would you have to pay for a charter up there compared to chiping in for maintence and how much better would it be fishing out of a boat it is the owners responsibility to have his boat tip top but i think if its a good friend of mine i would help jmo.brg

To ask for help it's certainly fair play for maintenance but as for paying for servicing that's too far. In saying that I find it hard to get deckies that chip in without asking and actually help or dare I ask clean the boat

Unwritten rule where we are, deckie cleans the boat while skipper fillets or vise versa. And deckie brings the beers for filletting skipper

Mate...

When I take deckies out, they chip in for (divided equally):

fuel

bait

ice

and money aside, lending a hand with cleaning and filleting

alcohol (not that the skipper drinks too much anyway!)

(and ONLY if im feeling nasty) oil for the 2 stroke...

Im my skipper opinion, maintainance and bearing (what a load of....) is covered by the skipper, its my boat, so I take the hit- mean I get the final say of when/where and how we go.

Sounds like your boy is taking the piss, Id get rid of him if I was u, he's having a laugh or just an absolute tight ass. either way, he aint worth it.

Show him these posts and make him pull his head in and/or get rid of him

I go on 3-4 trips a year ranging from 10 days in Shark Bay in July to long weekends down south and up to Jurien. We book the accomodation work out what we reckon we will spend on fuel and food  (beer is seperate )and we put all the money in the kitty.

If after the trip there is money left over it goes for repairs and upkeep of the owners boat.If we run out of cash we all chip in for the shortfall and no money  goes to the boat . One of the big trips we had $800 in the kitty and it went on new anti-slip paint on the deck , bearings etc and everybody was happy.

I think you need to sit down with everybody and work something out.

 Its a can of worms, but being a boat owner myself......

Lets say he borrowed to buy the boat, say $ 40 grand at 10%, there's $ 4000

He has to register the boat and trailer, nuther $ 300

Service the outboard and replace the bearings each year, easy $ 500

And then we have depreciation, estimate of $ 2500 a year,

And add in a couple of hundred for other bit and pieces and the boat owner is actually forking out $ 7500 a year to go fishing with his mates.

Now if you add in the cost and depreciation of owning a 4wd, well then that sends the costs skyrocketing, so is the boat owner really being unreasonable asking for maybe $ 300 to help out ??

Having said that, i usually go once a year with my old man and he's a pensioner so I end paying for just about everything.

If you go out with someone on a regular basis to split normal running costs are a given. To chip in so it is more affordable for owner to got out with you more often would be much appreciated alround. Look at it this way if ya mate didn't have a boat you wouldn't go out at all. For a big fishing trip a precentage of over all costs should be talked about. Maintenance which is long term is normally paid for by owner. Boats aren't cheap to run. Look at it like a non for profit system got ta keep boat usable. If you only go out once in a blue moon splitting fuel,bait and cleaning fish and boat would be all you should be expected to pay. I've taken me cuz out land based fishing on many occasions and I seem to foot pretty much all the costs. When he had a boat I would tow and pay for bait.

All my trips away with deckies. We tally up food cool drinks water bait ice fuel accomadation.  

Anyone damages something they pay for it..  As for wear and tear well as the owner you pretty mnuch cop that on the chin..  We always have a day before the trip set aside to do the bearings and maintenance on trailer etc before the trip but i do supply the parts..  And a day when we get back again cleaning and maintenance... As for servicing the motor etc thats a bit unfair thats something you have to do even if you didn't go away..

 imo. fuel accomodation food ice and bait yes but maintinence like that i would be telling the bloke , mate or not, get stu$#ed. no way no how would i pay for that stuff let alone even asking for that on my boat.bearings at a push but def not anything else.

Tight arses.  Get a real job, and a few hundred dollars is negligable.

We take it in turns paying for the fuel.  If I am going in mates boat and it costs $170 to fill up - just give him $200.  $30 extra is less than a carton of piss.  Do that 10 times a year and you  have paid for half a service and bearings.

I have slept on the issue and have decided that I would be happy to help out as my buddy is not that cashed up anyway. In saying that I will be budgeting a max $300 for  the bearings and motor.

I do not think it is right but will do so as it will mean that my buddy can tag along. Truth is in my circle of mates most of us have boats and 4x4s so take turns using our rigs during the year and when we do so the owner pays for running cost. It is a swings and round about system that means we all have a trun to foot the bill. This is the first time this particular mate has had to take his north and truth is I have never taken mine.  

My concern is that we are taking two boats and two 4x4s, each owned by seperate parties. I am thinking that if one boat owner is asking for assistance then the other owners will do the same, which could mean us all chipping in to get trailers, boat motors and cars sorted out. It could end up being an expensive trip. If that is the case I will be considering pulling out and either taking my own boat and car or booking a charter for a week.

Me 

The question is, are you all going to fish from the same boat for the trip or swap from one to the other?

Usually each boat is a separate unit and costs can vary greatly so it would be unfair if you were on the cheaper boat to subsidize the more expensive running costs of the other .

i pay for all the servicing bearings maintainence etc which all gets dione before the trip, but we always put together $1000 dollars into a kitty so if something breaks whilst on trip (bearings motor breaks down axle blown tyres etc) we have the cash to fix it there and then! if nothing breaks then when we get back we either split the money or have a few cartons of piss and a few fishing trips paid for! or like last year i came home and bought more tackle! this way the skipper is not forking out huge dollars for problems whilst on the trip and its usually only works out to an extra 2 or 300 hundred dollars for each bloke! i think this is a fair way of doing it

when we do our annual trip away the costs are split down the line ,but i usually have the same deckie for a reason

the week before going on a annual trip we would get together and work over the trailer and ensure its ready , i would buy any parts and my crew help no end to ensure its ready , service car and boat is my costs which can hurt at the time but if i was taking just the family away it would all be my cost anyway, and the servcie on the boat would last after i return and for the next few months as well .

trip cost, we usually put a some money together in the car and everything we buy once we leave Perth comes out of the joint cash or all on the trip put cash into a visa card and use this for everything , if we have a problem on the trip we uses the same cash to buy what we need to fix it up ,  IMO you should do your own trailer bearings and fix up as if it breaks down , you cant blame anyone for not doing it right and you know how to repair it and have the right parts on hand should it fail

As for two boats and groups that can be messy , one boat travels all over the place and the second stays in close how do you balance the costs fairly in covered distance and rig sizes/ tow vehicles   

Two boats and five blokes. One will cost a shitload more to tow and run. We will be splitting the total cost by 5.

Me

Although it looks like author of thread has resolved his issue, I think in the end it's what you are prepared to pay. Each party has different ways of organising their costs. Someone mentioned charter costs and whilst going in a mate's boat shouldn't cost that much don't forget that charter costs includes maintenance of the boat apart from the crew & skipper's wages as well as profit. As mentioned also there's the wear and tear of the vehicles and the trailer. Whilst I think the payment towards specific repairs/maintenance looks a bit harsh some contribution to wear and tear is appropriate. A lot of people share fuel and expect the owner to chip in but I think this is hard on the vehicle's owner as he has to bear the wear and tear on his own. If a vehicle was hired it will be appropriate for all to share costs and perhaps this is the way to figure out costs i.e. find out how much it costs to hire the boat and the vehicle for the time away and share costs on that basis. I think that will be fair especially on the owners. Myself, I haven't been put into a position where a breakdown has occured during the trip so I don't know what I'll do if it happens. I think people expect that since you own it you pay. But if you didn't do the trip the breakdown may not have happened! Not an easy question as it's always difficult to ask mates to chip in for repairs.

 Having read all above and from personal experience I can verify the added cost to the boat owner,I have always paid the car service costs,always paid for the outboard service to make sure it works for all involved in the trip,and one of my biggest fears is the trailer bearings,I do these my-self,and pay for them,but I am the one who stresses about the trailer failing the car over heating and,the bloody boat not working,the reason,so my family and friends can have a great time fishing.I thinhk that as a way of recogniseing these costs ,That the boat owner should not have to pay for the fuel up or down,eg divide the car fuel by the crew ,most skippers would be more than happy with this show of appreciation from the mates and after all,an extra $50.00 per crew member is not a lot in the schem of the holiday.

most of you are lucky

ive only had my boat for 2 months but nobody I have taken out yet has chipped in for bait or fuel

Yep Big John, it's good knowing that your trip is gunna be stress free. But that all comes from knowing that the owner of the boat is maticulous in his preperation. The better your preparation for a big trip, the easier it is to have a good time. A check of equipment (vehicle & boat) & neccesary repairs a few weeks before departure should pay dividends on the trip.

My skipper & i will get together before hand & go over the trailor checking bearings & all the nuts n bolts to make sure they wont come undone, especially if its a trip to Gnaraloo. The vehicle & boat are usually serviced before we leave so touch wood all is well. Thankfully only once we had a mishap on the way to exmouth, we hit a truck tire/rim about 30mins from home. On arrival at Dongara we discovered that it had near on destroyed the undercarriage of the trailor, bent axels & roller mounts etc not to mention the diff plug leak & the pushed up fuel tank. The repair costs came out of the trip money as i think it should.

cheers & be safe  Rob

 easy,

share fuel costs, booze, bait and general all kick in a few bob for snacks.

As for the tow vehcile, thats my issue as it's my vehicle, so don't expect others to pay anything, same goes for boat trailer if my boat.

If somethign did go horrible and pear-shapped, and any one on the trip did contribute I would be grateful, but don't expect them to have too...

JMO

me , my brother and two other mates are going to Carnarvon for 8 days in July, I am servicing the verado,I am getting the wheel bearings replaced, then fuel bait ,piss,food and accomodation is split evenly, as is the fish for the return trip (we normally get a foam packing box each and divide it up while packing to go home ), i believe that if you own a boat YOU maintain it, not your mates, consumables from piss to petrol are shared costs not boat maintenace!.   cheers

 yip Ryan, exactly

in the late 50s fishing with a mate went like this, boat (10ft ex pelican bondward yacht hull) left in storage, upside down on beach  at north cottesloe.. Pick up mate at pre arranged time in the morning with outboard ( british seagull) can't remember hp and fishing gear.Mate helped cart fishing gear down to boat turn boat over and while i put gear oars etc in boat mate would half fill sand bag with sand (to be used as anchor) when all was ready we would launch boat row like hell to get out of surf area then start motor and go fishing. At the end of the days fishing when (if) you got back through the surf zone without being dumped on the beach boat would be pulled up the beach overturned and used as a table on which your catch was gutted scaled and cleaned catch split 50/50 gear loaded back into car and on dropping of the mate/deckie he would put 5/- in ash try to cover fuel and oil costs for the day which it did.

2000 - Night before planning trip with mate select fish to target,select gear to use check that motor,battery etc are all "online"check trailer lights etc (for the 10th time) fill fuel tanks in boat. Go down to launching ramp pay to launch boat secure trailer to car so that it will be there when you get back in park in wide open area so that with a bit of luck when you get back all the windows will still be in their right place and not in tiny peices on the road next to your car. Retrieve boat on trailer wash down boat don't stop to clean fish you didn't catch any mate leaves80 dollars in ash tray to cover fuel costs.

I just love the laid back easy going new fishing era.the same person who was my mate/deckie in the 50s is still my mate who I go fishing with now.

Awesome Thread, heaps of different ways none are wrong.

To add another angle, it depends on how many hours you put on your boat. As I stated we just split Fuel bait ice etc. I pick up the bill for maintenance etc.

Now I clock up heaps of hours fishing. If my boat didnt spent time in Perth this year I would have clocked up over 300hrs as it is I have clocked up 230hrs. Now 3x 100hr services is close to $3000 dollars up here. We towed her over 20000km. Its all starting to add up but I will still not charge for the maintenance well little hard when I normally fish solo or with wife

Guess if you only do 50 hrs annually it wouldnt hurt as much.

Stop complaining - wish I had the same problem.

About to go on a 2.5 week trip - taking the missus and daughter.  Daughter may fish a day or two here and there but otherwise I will be fishing alone -

Missus gets seasick - (serenity is apparently not cheap),

I pay the whole trip, maintenance of boat and car included, clean the boat and even have to buy my own grog.

I also clean the fish for them to eat!!

But then again when I remember the bit in brackets I think I'm onto a good thing!!

P.S used to have friends,

They either couldn't afford to come or couldn't aford to chip in and didn't even clean the boat (would have been happy with this) - this explains why I now fish alone!!

Cheers

Put on some beers, buy all the parts and have your mates come around and do some maintenance on the trailer, If you own a boat you pay for the servicing yourself- no compromise- otherwise sell the boat.

If you have a problem call your boat 'Wayne Swan' and ask everyone else to pay for your deficiencies.

If he is chomping at the bit to go and trying to attract a crew he is going about it the wrong way. If it's the crew trying to get him to go I can see maybe why he is putting conditions on it. He may be under financial pressure at the moment? Just a thought....

 Some people try to live beyond their means including boats and cars.

The purchase price is just that.

But there are SOME who try to get a free ride out of all facetts of life, and It does not work in the long term.

Pay your way to the best of your ability.

Generosity to a true friend even if it is "just" a fishing budie, is a valuable commodity and the potential strain that could develop and loose a good budie/friend will not.

Choose who you let into your "inner circle" wisely.

If going away on a long trip up north with the lads, a sausage sizzle and a carton with a few of the boys to do the trailer bearings for peace of mind (I pay parts) and general check up to make sure all is good with trailer. Many hands make light work and always good laugh talking crap about the upcomming trip.

Normal service etc is up to boat owner. Car servicing responsibility of car owner (me again if I am using my cruiser to tow). At the end of the day I would incur those costs anyhow whether we are going away or not. If something blows up, my equipment/my cost to repair. Could have happened on that trip or taking my own kids out for a fish or camping trip . I bought 4wd /boat for me and my kids/missus so dont expect mates to fork out on upkeep.

Trip costs like food , ice , fuel, bait ,accomodation etc split evenly between all parties (everyone chucks into a kitty) . Alcohol - buy your own.

If one vehicle or boat uses more fuel than other , its no big deal as normally there is boat and car hopping, especially if you have someone in car / on boat who has a passion for farting.   

Boils down to the mates you have and how appreciative they are of getting to go away on a boat. All have 4wds and use them for landbased fishing and camping in rough areas and I jump in if they want to drive.

Saying that, our crew have been going away for years together and everyone does there bit ( I am the skipper so enjoy watching deckies do the loading and unloading, anchor pulling/scrubbing down of boat etc etc etc ...... hey my turn to relax after being responsible all day and they have been having a few beers on the boat )