Stella or Expo?
Submitted by SamC on Wed, 2007-09-12 19:51.
getting a Seed PE10 custom built for this upcoming jigging season but im still undecided on what reel to put on it! Stella 20k or Expedition?
anyone got opinions on which i should go for n why?
cheers
sam
big john
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One of each
I've got one of each Sam, and there both great IMO.
Personally I'd rather use the Saltiga as it feels smaller and smoother when hooked up to fish. However the Stella does have a 10yr warranty as opposed to the Saltigas 5, as well as the fact that the Stella is about $300 cheaper.
John
SamC
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thanks john
yeh that bigger warranty would be a good thing to have! but im still undecided! price doesnt bother me as i want quality...i was originally goin to get the expo but i just bought a 8k stella and they are mighty nice...this got me thinking if i should get a 20k for the big boys
cheers
sam
Rob C
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5yrs or 10yrs? warranty
5yrs or 10yrs? warranty doesnt cover wear and tear, just manafacturing defaults.
If a manafacturing default is going to occur its going to happen way before 5 years is up :)
Ive got a EXP myself, But its basicly what you prefer. similar the Ford/Holden debate.
Just my few cents.
Cheers
ROb
dogsoldier
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Sam have got the
Sam have got the Expedition and the dogfight and very happy with both good solid reliable reels,If you can get one from overseas they are even cheaper again.Or you could wait for the new torsa 40 to be released which will be very very nice
I have a problem I'm a tackle junkie Andrew
big john
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Quality
SamC
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i new it would come down to
i new it would come down to which i preferred! does the stella pull 30kg of drag? as the expo does!
i spose ill have to do some thinking....
andrew, torsa 40 would be mint but im after spinning..
cheers
sam
big john
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Realistically
Realistically is any one going to use 30kg of drag?
John
Rob C
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They may state 30kgs of
They may state 30kgs of drag, but i doubt you would get that much out of it.
One critisism for the Saltiga is the stock drag washers. These can be a bit on the sticky side.
Easy fixed with a set of carbontex washers.
Cheers
Rob
SamC
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you could never prove 30kgs
you could never prove 30kgs of drag anyway.....10kgs and your almost out the side of the boat!
cheers
sam
Dean
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How about a Van Staal?
How about a Van Staal?
SamC
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nah...never liked the look
nah...never liked the look of them, each to their own i spose
cheers
sam
Dean
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Yeah I like the black Van
Yeah I like the black Van Staals, regarding Stella or saltiga. Personally I prefer The Stella, But as said before they are similar and like Holden v Ford, comes down to personal choice.
GOATRUTAR
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I was always under the
I was always under the impression you were buying a bullet proof set up when you bought the saltiga brand but I think that they are not worth the money you pay for them!IMO!!!
I have penn 8500,7500and 6500 that are US made which I have had for 15+ years and they work just great.
I believe that the salti/stella are both over rated and people are sucked in with the bling!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
dogsoldier
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Ruter nothing wrong with a
Ruter nothing wrong with a bit of Bling Bling!!!!!!!
I have a problem I'm a tackle junkie Andrew
SamC
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probably right rutar...
probably right rutar...
Rob C
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Rutar the Penn is nothing
Rutar the Penn is nothing compared to a Saltiga / Stella.
yeah they can do the same job, but no way near as good as a high end reel.
Once picking up a saltiga you will never go back to a Penn for heavy type fishing applications, they are just not designed for it.
My one saltiga will probaly outlast 5 Penn Spinfishers for the type of fishing i do.
Cheers
Rob
GOATRUTAR
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Don't get me wrong sam they
Don't get me wrong sam they sucked me in but not next time!
I will have a good look next time and work out what is best value!
The price of the dogfighter is more than what I paid for my first car, without a rod and line!
It is about the prestige of owning one of these reels which I think sucks people in.
You can't tell me that you can't get a great reel with a good drag system for a third of the price that will do the job adequately!
The reels that were great 10-15 years ago are still going strong.My dad has still got 3 green Penn's that were built in the 1960's that he swears by!
IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
Rob C
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Rutar i dont think you get
Rutar i dont think you get my point, I admit they are good reels but for 50lb or below maybe.
Trying fishing 80 - 130lb braid on these pumping 15kg+ of drag i dont think it would last very long at all.
GOATRUTAR
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Sorry Rob that post
Sorry Rob that post wasn't there when I put my last comment up!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
GOATRUTAR
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Rob 80-130lb braid is some
Rob 80-130lb braid is some big shit and you must be targeting species that are out of my zone!
As for 5-1 well I have had to take my saltigas in for so called specialty repairs under warranty twice and my penns have not seen the inside of a shop!Remember each to their own just my opinion!If they work for you mate thats great, just stating my experiences!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
Rob C
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Rutar yes targeting some big
Rutar yes targeting some big fish and thats why i use these reels. I wouldnt use it for say catching dhuies or snapper ect.
Bad luck on your saltiga, ive put mine through 2 or 3 seasons of samson fish and during the process seen a few penns go bang. + a few trips to exmouth chasing gt's and it feels just as good as the day i got it.
Cheers
Rob
luke
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a old penn, whilst being
a old penn, whilst being exactly that..old technology..will go forever... they do what they are ment to do... be tough, strong and reliable..able to take the knocks...
start talking stella's and saltiga's...totally different kettle of fish. they are the jap sports car compared to a yank muscle car... lighter faster... and more powerfull... however...dont crash one or it will cost you!!!
the jap reels really are state of the art..in precision smoothness etc... hell even my spheros is heaps smoother than my old penn 850 spinfisher...but it has its place. if i lend a reel to my mates when we fish the beach.. they get the penn..because i know they cant kill it!!! a bit of sand wont hurt it too much...and they are easy as to dismantle and clean... some of these jap reels have over 100 parts!!!
as for 30 kg of drag... i would love to see someone try and use it for a while...extreme pain is a word that comes to mind!!! hell even fishing a true 15kg of drag is a hell of a lot more drag than most people would realise!!! serious hurt!!!
so i believe they both have their place.... everyday beach abd boat work and occasional jigging forays for example..the penn will do the job very well.... start talking popping for xos gt's , jigging for sambos all the time etc... a jap reel is worth its weight in gold...because that what they are designed to do...
just dont drop them!!! lol
luke
ps...go the stella...
fish for fun, the future, and the belly!!!
Kasey L.
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Try popping mate. ~180 gram
Try popping mate. ~180 gram lures, 100lb line and 15kg of drag. even stellas and saltigas fall to bits. sambos are like trainin wheels ;)
Penn won't last long in a place like Marmion Reef (for Rob) or New Caledonia (for me). And when you pay between 4-6 grand on a fishing holiday in the middle of nowhere, the last thing you want is a reel failing; I know, I had it happen at the murions. long drive back. Not talking poddy fish here; not many reels can handle a 50kg GT without a whole heap of luck, and even then, see bits flying off ;)
Stellas and Saltigas not for the average bottom bouncing or fishing for meat.
not sucked in with the bling either, alot of people have them now, its the showoffs that might give you that impression. maybe the first stella or salti you buy you post a few pics cause its your first, but hey once you reach a few more its no big deal; just another reel.
As for the choice mate, they are on par. salti's tougher, hmm maybe, seen a few break (haha). stella's drag smoother, hmm yes ok won't argue there but the saltigas have carbontex upgrades.
topics been done to death, I reckon the best way is go to the shop with the rod, take turns putting the reel on, and see which colour matches the rods best ;)
good luck.
Rob C
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You summed it up nicely
You summed it up nicely there luke.
And yes i agree with you 15kgs of drag is very tough to fish.
Check out this photo from Bugatti reef, of a guy hooked up to a big GT pulling him off his feet.
Photo from www.nomadsportfishing.com.au Hope they dont mind.
Cheers
Rob
GOATRUTAR
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Stand corrected for the
Stand corrected for the powerful nortrhern species but there isn't much that I have encountered down here that require drag pressure or that size braid to stop!
Rob when you wear shoes like that you deserve to go over!
He should have spent more money on his shoes rather than wearing gloves like Michael Jackson!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
GOATRUTAR
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The question that should be
The question that should be asked is where Sam does most of his fishing and what he plans to target with his new reel!
If he is going to target GT's well ok but if he is going to use it in the metro area for bottom bouncing with the occasional trip up north is it worth spending a $1000+ on an egg beater!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
Rob C
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Good point.But from his
Good point.
But from his first post it seems to me he is going to be targetting samson fish with his new setup.
The rod his getting built will be able to fish 80 - 100lb line so i think he plans to fish pretty heavy and this is where a saltiga or stella will be perfect.
You dont need to fish that heavy on these fish but it is fun :)
Cheers
Rob
GOATRUTAR
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Rob, are you using either 80
Rob, are you using either 80 or 130 braid?
I'm just curious mate but what are you targeting/catching?
Are you based up north?
From my posts you will know that I fish in the metro area but will be having a serious crack early next year.I just cant imagine fishing 100-130lb braid.
I have caught sambos(not intentionally) up to 45kgs and I haven't really had any problems on 50-65lb braid.
Is the drag pressure and line class purley used too stop fish in thier tracks to avoid bommies and snags or what?
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
Rob C
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At the moment just 80lb for
At the moment just 80lb for samson fish, Yes you dont have trouble using 50lb but as i said above fishing heavy makes it more fun for alot of people. Also reduces fight times which seems to work well when releasing them.
I am based in Perth, but have a couple trips Booked / Planned chasing 50kg+ GTs (in 3 mtrs or less of water ) and 90 odd kilo dogtooth tuna, even a 50kg doggie would do :). These are the trips ill be taking 100lb+ line along, based on the fact ill have more room for error.
Cheers
ROb
Simon C
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Had to make the same
Had to make the same decision for my GT rod - I went the Stella 20000. Look around and you can get them for well under $900 new in Perth. So when compared with the Saltiga you can get a spare spool, and fill both of them with good quality braid for the stella vs just buying the reel for the Saltiga. Which is better - who cares, I hope I can't break either of them if I look after it, and the drag on the Shimano is beyond compare straight out of the box. I got a 10000 spool and filled it with 80lb for GT's, then put 50lb on the 20000 spool for sailies, marlin and hopefully some big yellow fin.
luke
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hey rutar... yep, you can
hey rutar... yep, you can pull in a big sambo on realatively light line... heck some people ( for comp points...) do it on 4kg line!!! i think the whole idea of jigging is to get the most out of a fish in terms of a sheer tug of war!! nothing wrong with fishing super heavy class tackle.sure would be fun getting your arms stretched like that... dunno about going over the side though....happens jigging sambos more than people realise too...
right equipment for the right job.... thats what it is all about really....
big doggie... now we are talking some serious fish!!! those things are absolute torpeodo's!!! see many a good vid on that sort of fishing... extreme hardcore stuff!!!
from the original part of the thread.. it sounds like a serious jigging type of outift... so makes sense to get a top $ reel, that is up to the job in question...
have fun!!!
luke
fish for fun, the future, and the belly!!!
GOATRUTAR
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Sorry boys I crashed out
Sorry boys I crashed out last night!
The GTs must be like supercharged sambo's.
I have only ever caught them too 3-5kg so I can imagine how a 50kg one would go!
I still can't get my head around the line class!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
SPESS
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IMO id go the saltie! Just
IMO id go the saltie! Just better build reels than the shimanos. Ive been shimano for ever now im selling most of that gear and replacing it with diawa reels. BUT THATS ONLY MY THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER! Not saying shimano are shit i still love some of them and i will never sell them.
Keep it tight, reeeeeeel tight!
SamC
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cheers for the input
cheers for the input boys...i guess ill just have to make a desicion on which looks better on the rod! metallic blue bindings and a metallic blue gimble...spose both would look good!
oh god it only gets harder!
as for what ill be chasing with this reel...jigging for sambos this year then next year ive got numbers of trips booked! eventually this reel will be put on a longer rod for popping (gusa or gt76 etc) and will be used chasing GTs at exmouth then i got a trip to telo islands (sumatra) where theres some horse GTs and then (not comfirmed) maybe vanawatu to chase doggies n once again big gts..
but i think a big gt is going to chew your reel up and spit it back at you whether it be a saltiga or stella...hmmm
also kasey what happened to your stella at the murions? seized up or sumthing?
cheers
sam
Maverick
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Busted
I have seen them ALL busted on Sambo's.
PS I wouldn't go a spinner for Sambo's ,
but thats just me .
IF I had to it would be a STELLA , my next Spinner will be the new Stella for spinning and popping BIG fish up north , I wouldn't even pull it out the gun box unless I was going north of the 26th paralell.
( I keep all my reels locked up in a gun box bolted in my workshop.)
jay_burgess
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"I have penn 8500,7500and
"I have penn 8500,7500and 6500 that are US made which I have had for 15+ years and they work just great.
I believe that the salti/stella are both over rated and people are sucked in with the bling!"
I'd like to see your 8500 hooked up to a 50kg GT Rutar.... you'll be wishing you had a Salty or Stella. They're gutsy reels made for powerful fish where every inch counts. Nothing else really compares.
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Kasey L.
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Theres some big yellowtail
Theres some big yellowtail kings and hapukas in cold waters though, don't forget. 3 kings will be done soon.
Sam my stella siezed because apparently it wasn't 'reassembled' properly after a service. thats all I can say.
GOATRUTAR
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Jay I also stated that I
Jay I also stated that I have saltiga's and I have had problems with them.
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
Maverick
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KC
Where did you get the service done on your reel , I will want to steer clear of them.
honsu chin
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Rutar... if you have had
Rutar... if you have had problems with your saltigas I suggest you tell us whats wrong with them becoz there have not been many with problems. I have 3 and none of them had problems unless Ive caused it. Both my salty's run 80lb and 100lb on a spare spool.
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luke
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there can be only one!!! the
there can be only one!!! the best!! the greatest!! the ultimate fishing reel.....
jarvis walker!!!!!!
lol
luke
ps...sorry...bit bored...lol
fish for fun, the future, and the belly!!!
honsu chin
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Not anymore.....its now
Not anymore.....its now SURECATCH...garanteed like its namesake.
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Kasey L.
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bit hesitant
not too keen to say it on a forum, as the shop and person who serviced it I'm guessing has a good solid reputation. everyone makes mistakes sometimes; I was slightly compensated so I'm not as peeved as I could be.
ask me sometime if you see me on the boat, you'll be surprised. I'll just say its one of the 'top of the lot'.
Kasey L.
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have a look here
p.s. have alook here and maybe reconsider the penns.
http://www.nomadsportfishing.com.au/nsa_mages-video_pages/nsa_imagesvideo_bigjigginggallery.htm
http://www.nomadsportfishing.com.au/nsa_mages-video_pages/nsa_imagesvideo_GTgallery.htm
Can't get over the 110kg doggie.... sigh. if only our bonito grew a bit more....
Italiano
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I'd buy the stella 10k and
I'd buy the stella 10k and put the 20k spool on it as the 10k has a 6-1 ratio compared to the 20k only having 4.4-1 I personally don't think it matters if you go shimano or diawa they are both quality reels it's just personal opinion
honsu chin
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Umm.....I personally think
Umm.....I personally think high speed reels is not really ideal for jigging....unless you really need the speed to get the jig going but he's gonna be jigging for dermesals so I think the 20k is fine.
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seansurfy
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bang for buck
I agree with Rutar.....
I've fished Kenn, Frederick, Saumarez and the Calder Bank in the Coral Sea on four separate 10 day trips.
Beleive me when I tell you, when a good sized GT or Dogtooth(20kg+) is hooked in rough terrain, landing them is all about luck...It doesn't matter how much your reel costs you. I stood next to a guy with a $2000 saltiga Expo PE8 rig with 14kg drag get buried at least half a dozen times on medium sized dogtooth while jigging a dropoff. I was using a Shimano TSS-4 with 50lb spiderwire...I got smacked around too...but still managed a 60kg doggie....lucky.
The most successful reels I've seen for landing big dogtooth are TLD50lrs and Tiagra 50 ...Sure you can't cast a popper with them.....but then again, I've seen 10 times more fish hooked on trolled lures and live baits in these locations than the guys using poppers(me included). Jigging is a different story...but most fish were hooked jigging after a heavy duty strike on a trolled lure.
Don't get me wrong...if you can afford to spend $2000 for one outfit...knock yourself out....but it won't catch you more fish...
I would rather spend the cash on my next trip.....rather than 'trying to keep up with the Jones's'
There are some really smart guys working in the S&M division at Shimano and Daiwa
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