Any towing or prep tips

Doing a trip up to Gnaraloo in two weeks time being a long drive anyone want to throw any things I should check on the way up being this will be a first trip for me with a boat bigger than 5.5 as the surtee's is 6.8 metres

I know the usual check the tyres and hubs when we stop for breaks

going to fit a windshield protector this week

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Assuming that your trailer

Mon, 2014-05-05 07:56

Assuming that your trailer has brakes, give them a quick check and make sure that moving parts are still moving. I would suggest that you loosen/lube/retighten your wheel nuts (so if you have a blow out, you are not stuck on the side of the road with a rude wheel nut that just wont budge. Check the nuts on your boat supports and check u/bolts holding springs to axle.

Have a good trip, mate.

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Cheers Swompa will check

Mon, 2014-05-05 09:32

Cheers Swompa will check those things the boat is fairly new but will be taking spare u bolts,wheel studs and nuts and knock out pin

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Bearings...

Mon, 2014-05-05 08:09

...jack your trailer wheels off the ground, grab opposite sides of each tyre, and give it a wiggle. There should be virtually no movement...if there is, needs new bearings. Take a spare set or two with you, as well!

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Cheers Auslobster spare

Mon, 2014-05-05 09:33

Cheers Auslobster spare bearings packed and have checked existing ones

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 Pm sent

Mon, 2014-05-05 08:18

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CheersAndy for the extra info

Mon, 2014-05-05 09:34

Cheers

Andy for the extra info

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Trailer towing

Mon, 2014-05-05 08:21

I always carry a spare hub with bearings and seal installed ready to go, spare hub nut, cap and split pin, a tube of grease and rags. Also have 2 trailer spare tires for the long trips. Cover your prop and shaft to keep the dust out. Towed my mates 6.8 Surtees with Suzuki 225 to Denham, it was the first time it had been towed on the freeway and at 100 km per hr and it swayed like a bitch, it had no fuel and very light with gear loaded evenly, tried moving the gear up the front with no luck, had to move the winch post and pull the boat forward about 6"to fix the problem.

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 Same Devo also take spare

Mon, 2014-05-05 08:27

 Same Devo also take spare ubolts for the trailer, rollers and winch strap.

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Tow ball height could also be

Mon, 2014-05-05 08:25

Tow ball height could also be an issue Devo1965 some times they can be flipped on the Reece hitch.

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Turnbuckle

Mon, 2014-05-05 08:47

Run a chain and turnbuckle from the winching eye to the trailer - most trailers have a tie down point. Seen a lot of photos of broken winch posts caused by braking hard, including a story of one on here not that long ago.  Sounds obvious but also make sure the boat is tied down well.

Personal preference but I also avoid night driving particularly north of Carnarvon.  Less of an issue south of say Geraldton but you do see lots of dead wildlife on the coastal road between Lancelin and Cervantes.

in terms of spares also think about a winch strap.  Almost split my strap loading the boat in Dunsborough and was lucky the local chandlery was open - was a seatbelt style less than 12 months old!!

Cheers, have a great trip.

 

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Cheers Broady will grab one

Mon, 2014-05-05 10:10

Cheers Broady will grab one today

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 Looking at all the rain up

Mon, 2014-05-05 09:57

 Looking at all the rain up that way it may pay to check the road access. Other than that it sounds like you have it all covered.... lucky bugger!

 

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If you get a wheel stuck on

Mon, 2014-05-05 10:00

If you get a wheel stuck on (corroded on) loosen the wheel nuts off slightly but leave them all on. Then do a few low speed figure 8's or hard turns left and right - this is usually enough to crack the join between the rim and axel. Obviously re-tighten the nuts after changing wheel.

Few other things - spare heavy duty D shackles for trailer chains.

Make sure you have a jack to fit the trailer and a block of wood in case on soft ground. (some car jacks are useless for trailers) - I take a small trolley jack.

Have outboard secured - not just on flick down lever .
Leave outboard in gear when travelling to lock the prop and stop seals etc. wearing

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Cheers Paul never thought of

Mon, 2014-05-05 10:13

Cheers Paul never thought of leaving it in gear but will do so we have a trolley jack and large block of wood

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 Something else I thought of

Mon, 2014-05-05 10:41

 Something else I thought of Nathan, I block my motor with a piece of wood between the homestead and the bay to stop the motor bouncing around on the rams.

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Ditto I use a block of wood

Mon, 2014-05-05 11:22

Ditto I use a block of wood on all long trips - bit of carpet around it stops it from scratching the motor paint (mines brand new). I also have a hole in each end of the wood and tie a small cord on so it can't drop out if motor bouncing.

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Thanks Paul did exactly that

Tue, 2014-05-06 21:17

Thanks Paul did exactly that today and is in the boat ready to use at least with the hole and rope less chance of loseing

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 Shade cloth and frame to

Mon, 2014-05-05 10:56

 Shade cloth and frame to protect the hull from stone chips. I know they are inevitable but nice to keep things looking nice for as long as possible.

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Cheers for all the advice

Mon, 2014-05-05 11:58

Cheers for all the advice

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I use a Infrared Thermometer

Mon, 2014-05-05 12:38

I use a Infrared Thermometer to keep a close eye of bearing temperatures. They can vary from one to another but as long as they aren't getting hotter.

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/SCA-Infrared-Thermometer.aspx?pid=321439#Cross

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Knowing the guys they will

Tue, 2014-05-06 21:18

Knowing the guys they will want to stop for a pee or food or what ever so I will be checking the trailer over I think I am doing most of the driveing up there

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 plenty of beer? thats a

Mon, 2014-05-05 12:46

 plenty of beer? thats a must.

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Nyloc Nuts

Mon, 2014-05-05 12:52

Nyloc Nuts on all threads including the number plate.  I hear the laughter, but the amount of numberplates, trailor lights & mud guards on the track to the bay near the airstrip is amaizing.

Check the amount of rain up there before you attempt the track, i hear they have had a fair bit their lately.

Good luck, enjoy & be safe.

cheers Rob

 

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Never Sieze

Mon, 2014-05-05 13:07

Never Sieze or CopperCoat or similar is a great investment on wheel nuts to stop them freezing in place. Also as suggested above, I recommend cracking and re-tightening the wheel nuts before a long trip, especially if they were put on with rattle gun. There is nothing worse than wrestling with overtightened wheel nuts on the side of the road when stress levels are already high because you have had to stop to change a wheel.

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Another trailer

Mon, 2014-05-05 14:58

Think you may need another trailer to carry all the stuff suggested with you.
Spare hub and bearings plus the usual spare wheel. Take it easy and you won't have any trouble,

If you have removable lights , take them off as soon as you come to the King Waves Kill sign at the Tee junction to save the wires getting damaged by stones.

If you do strike trouble the wreckers here in town carry heaps of spare, u bolts, bearings, studs and other bits, mudguards will take 48 hours to arrive if you do them.

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sock

Mon, 2014-05-05 15:53

put a sock over your transducer if its transom mount, transducers dont like stone chips

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Rig Thats a excellent idea

Tue, 2014-05-06 21:19

Rig Thats a excellent idea did that this afternoon

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 hopefuly they have graded

Mon, 2014-05-05 16:29

 hopefuly they have graded the track by the time you get up there- can be brutal but what with the rain lately might be ok.

have a great trip

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Disconnect brakes

Mon, 2014-05-05 17:12

 Done the track many times people complain about shearing brake calliper bolts just disconnect them your not going fast enough on the track to need them and don't forget to drop tyre pressures on both car and trailer .

oh and remove bait board as the gnaraloo track owes me one

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 Have you been up there

Mon, 2014-05-05 20:31

 Have you been up there lately Col?

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Funny you say that

Mon, 2014-05-05 20:42

 Mate had it booked and all paid for 17thmay 10 days but had to cancel due mother in law is in palative care with only a couple days to go.

so if anyone wants to book cabin 6 at gnaraloo it should be available 17th May as I only just cancelled

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 Sorry to hear that mate.

Mon, 2014-05-05 20:48

 Sorry to hear that mate. We're in there pretty well straight after that.

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Cheers to everyone for their

Tue, 2014-05-06 21:22

Cheers to everyone for their advice and tips some of the suggestions I would never have thought of

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Tie downs

Wed, 2014-05-07 08:14

One more thing, I know this will cause a bunfight, if you are using tie downs straps, don't pull them down too tight because it changes the load off your keel and onto the side skids and can crack the hull.
A mate ran an engineering shop up here for years until a few months back and he would get a boat in about every two or three weeks with cracks in the hull from that exact thing. The side skids are just there to balance the boat not to carry heavy loads, when the straps are pulled too tight it transfers the load putting stress on the hull

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cheers for that

Wed, 2014-05-07 16:45

cheers for that

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that suprises me greatly

Wed, 2014-05-07 18:07

that suprises me greatly John, almost every yank trailer has just side skids and no keel support.

Id contend also that a boat on skids that cracks under a long skid would also crack from slamming down off a large slop.

These stresses could manifest themselves anywhere under a planing boats hull and is far more severe that a trailer on suspension-we have all heard a boat slam and is similar to a sledge hammer hit in a localised area taking the full weight of the boat.

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Spreading the impact

Thu, 2014-05-08 07:47

When you come off a wave it spreads the impact over a wide area, with the skids you have it pulled down tight and any impact is directed in to a small area that is already under stress from the tie down straps

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 Probably what's more

Thu, 2014-05-08 07:52

 Probably what's more important is that all the rollers are adjusted to the right height. I got under mine the other day and noticed a couple had dropped and weren't supporting the keel at all. So loosened off and jacked up with the trolley jack so there's just the right amount of load on the roller but not lifting the boat.

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A skid doesnt only cover a

Thu, 2014-05-08 08:32

A skid doesnt only cover a small area, it should spread across multiple frames and stringers.

I could see it being an issue if using rediculously oversize ratchet straps but Id be concerned if the hull on my boat cracked from pulled down by a run of the mill 1500kg strap.

Of course the track into Gnaraloo is something else again but its better to be strapped to the trailer than bouncing on top of it.

Rollers as pointed out may be more of a problem, but skids? Id be more worried about the trailer itself

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Back end

Fri, 2014-05-09 10:07

The tie down strap is usually put on over the stern of the boat with only the winch holding the front in place. This allows more pressure to be placed on the rear end of the skid and this is where the cracks occur in most cases.

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I guess what needs to be

Fri, 2014-05-09 10:36

I guess what needs to be remembered is that your not strapping 2-3tonnes of boat down, but lifting 300-600kg of trailer up.

If physics dictate that the boat is going to bounce then the trailer wont be holding the boat down, the boat will be lifting the trailer with it, similar to when your sitting down and tearing along in a choppy sea.

If your butt leaves the seat then the landing will be exponentially more painful and you naturally find yourself pulling down into the seat to stay connected

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 Ha ha yep plenty of spine

Fri, 2014-05-09 10:44

 Ha ha yep plenty of spine crushing jolts on mine over the summer Rob, I think I've shrunk an inch in the last few years from this.

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Operation

Fri, 2014-05-09 16:17

There have been times that I thought I'd need an operation to extract my knees out of my backside when the boat has come down off a wave. Rob will know the ones that have no back on them.

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ha-yeah for sure. Funnily

Fri, 2014-05-09 16:33

ha-yeah for sure.

Funnily enough I find the seas of the NW shelf far more uncomfortable than off Leuuwin in the winter, virtually no matter the weather.

That short heavy chop during the E/SE up there is savage on the bones compared to the Southern Ocean

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Shark Bay

Fri, 2014-05-09 20:51

Found the worst chop of all to be inside Shark Bay, reasonably shallow water and bugger all swell, 1.5 metre seas about 10 metres apart and no back on each one.

Go outside the islands and everything back to normal

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im there a week today if the weather is good

Wed, 2014-05-07 17:17

will let you know the condition of the track.

I hear there has been just a little rain - 15-20mm the other night and a few sprinkles here and there but rather that than stinking hot.
if you come across big pools where the track is narrow from my experience the best way through them is straight through the middle where you would drive if they were not there.
I have driven in at night through thigh deep pools and not had any issues but I had someone walk through first.

tandem trailer? if so take 2 spare complete hubs, they are only $35 each.

take a good snatch strap and depending on the drop off in the water a drop down wheel can save your car from a wet experience.

agree with carnarvonite with removing lights as mine have fallen off and now I have them on a piece of jarrah with a solid rubber block in the middle to drop the leg onto.

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Thanks tot as for the cars we

Thu, 2014-05-08 06:29

Thanks tot as for the cars we have hired them rather than use our own 4wd least one less thing to clean out after the trip

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I know I'm probably preaching

Fri, 2014-05-09 07:02

I know I'm probably preaching to the converted but as a super paranoid tower, wire ties are my friend. I make sure I wire tie the safety chain shackle shut. From the winch post to the boat I have a stainless chain/clip, the winch strap and a turnbuckle - again anything that may work itself loose is wire tied. And any gear I put in the boat, the sun shade extension, the folded down canopy frame - anything that can move gets a few wire ties or is roped down.

I hadn't checked them since I bought my boat so before our last trip I checked the trailer suspension bushes - something that can get chewed out over time without you really noticing. Not to difficult to do even for a home mechanic like me - luckily mine were ok.

Great to hear I'm sharing the road with someone who is thinking SAFETY. Apart from the piece of mind you get knowing you're towing safely, there's nothing worse than the first day of your long planned holiday going wrong because you didn't give something the once over.

My gorgeous wife is always asking me for days before a trip, what the *^&( are you doing out there under that boat. Well darling, I have to get you and me, the kids and a couple of thousand kilos (vehicle included) 500k's down a road somewhere safely. She gets it now.

Hope you have a safe trip and catchalot.

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I'd seriously look at tying

Sat, 2014-05-10 11:27

I'd seriously look at tying the outboard leg down, perhaps back onto it's own transom mounting plate. And not having the leg raised too high to lessen the height of all that weight. The block of wood as mentioned is the go but the fact that guys feel the need for some rope in case it bounces out shows that there's a fair amount of force there and that flex all goes straight back to the transom. If you've ever sat behind a large outboard on a bumpy road you'd be horrified at the movement.

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Good point - I put the block

Sun, 2014-05-11 09:15

Good point - I put the block of wood in but also tie the motor down (tight but not too tight) - forgot to mention this. I tie mine down to the trailer but if doing this make sure the back of the boat itself is tied down tight to the trailer so your not getting the force (holding the boat down)through the motor.

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