Blah Blah Glenn McGrath
It may be just me but I reckon Glenn McGrath needs to grow a set of balls.
Instead of pandering to social media trolls with a lame apology he just needs say 'yes I enjoy hunting, when I hunted in Africa it was with a licenced and legal hunting operation'.
As for those trolls claiming they'll never donate to his charity because he 'legally' killed some animals , big deal, they've probably never donated anyway.
The real irony here is that these same trolls are probably the same ones advocation clemency for the Bali heroin traffickers, who by the way were peddling human death.
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And now Brett Lee is getting dragged into it.
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Titans
Probably better to focus there energy on Special K and the half dozen Gold Coast titans peddling nose candy.
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Not
a good look unfortunately BJ. I personally love hunting, but Elephants ?? cheers Pete.
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Poor Form
Poor form shooting elephants licensed or not, lost credibility in my opinion.
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WWF and IUCN Support Trophy Hunting
www.diana-hunting.com/articles/hunting-helps-to-preserve-africas-elephants/
Some interesting reading here for those interested.
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Each
Each to their own, at the end of the day its a legal activity.
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agree
Agree with Big John - He hasnt done anything wrong here besides in the eyes of the anti hunting mob etc. As stated above it was with a licensed opertator/business whom had the ability to hunt these animals. Instead of whining about this why dont they put abit more effort in the 100's of animals ( elephants , rhino's etc) that are poached every week for there ivory. McGrath injects money into the economy doing something he enjoys legally and gets taken to the cleaners! poor form
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well said
well said
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i wouldnt, but !
to each their own , cant see he did anything wrong ,hate people infliciting their personel views on others .
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Guys who think shooting
Guys who think shooting Elephants is ok because it was legal! how about going to Japan and clubbing Dolphin and posting your picture up with its head because you could do it legally.
I reckon he is a dickhead and deserves the negative criticism, but hey there are probably plenty of things in this world we could do legally and pay money for, but would be morally wrong to do so.
He has done the right thing to denounce his action, and should be commended for that. Time to move on.
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Numbers
Hey maxxeman, if there was no trophy hunting allowed for elephants what do you reckon would happen to their numbers in the wild?
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BJ would you want to start
BJ would you want to start killing dolphins here in WA, as they are also protected, and increasing in number?
How about humans, many of them in this world! Their population should be controlled??
My thoughts are still he is a dickhead, and I would say that to his face, killing an animal that probably had more intelligence than himself, Dickhead sportsman like all the others we like to hold up on a pedestal, because they can play a game! Reality check!!!
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???
Dolphins are protected here, elephants in parts of Africa aren't.
The real problem is the poachers, not the licenced hunters.
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Haha that's a bit
Haha that's a bit hypocritical isn't it. What's the difference when you kill a fish?
Sounds a bit like you are commenting with out actually knowing the facts.
Looks like the activists have there newest recruit. Look out boys it will be fishing next.
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Big John never said he
Big John never said he wouldn't or Wouldnt t and so what if he did?? Its not morally wrong to hunt infact its no different to fishing for record fish. It a test of skill endurance and ultimately a prize.
I am a hunter and fisherman both of which I thorughly enjoy and am proud of. I would love to shoot cape buffalo and plains game but elephant has no appeal tome. IF some one wants to spend the money to do it I have no problem I would rather see the money invested back into communites that need them rather than go to illegal poachers and the black market.
So while your drinking your soy latte, loosten your skinny leg jeans. Jump off the band wagon and think about how much Glenn McGrath has done for breast cancer awarness, how many families have bendefitted from his work.
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I agree Max... I'd say
I agree Max...
I'd say nature would take care of business like it did before we put our grubby little mits on everything...
I'd like to know what Glen did with the said Elephant after it was killed "legally"
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Meat
The meat would have been used to feed the local villagers in the area, none of it would have gone to waste IF the operator he went with followed the same principles of other trophy hunting operations operating in Africa.
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Whats different Glenn
Whats different Glenn shooting a elephant in africa to you shooting a rabbit or fox over here that you have said you love to do?
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Are you sure your not a
Are you sure your not a plant.
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LOL
LOL
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Kenya
Kenya banned trophy hunting in 1975, their elephant population has since dropped from 130,000 animals to approximately 30,000.
Tanzania promoted trophy hunting over the same period, there elephant population has remained stable at 125,000.
Sadly the poachers like having open slather to unregulated areas.
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pray tell
what muppet troll went back 8 years for this, methinks he and all of us need to be abit smarter
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To all those
To all those who scream blue murder at the taking of an elephant done in a humane way and all quite legally, why aren't you raising hell in St Georges Tce about the rapidly decline numbers of the ring tailed possum.
A WA native that is declining at a very rapid rate, you can't change the way that things are done in Africa but with a show of solidarity you may, just may be able to convince a state minister instead of ringing his hands while Rome burns he should get of his arse and legislate to have the animal declared endangered.
The story of this sad state of affairs is in todays Sunday Times.
Is all this hullaballoo about fishing, no it is not, but fishing and hunting are IMO closely allied as they both come under attack from the same loud inactive group of our society who would have us believe that all meat comes from a cellophane covered cardboard pack on a shelf in the local super market not from the sea or a paddock.
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Possum pie anyone? Suckers used to get in my roof down Busso. No shortage of them there.
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No shortage over east plenty on the arms oops sorry
Wether people like it or not trophy hunting is good for the herds in Africa. It is a controlled cull and benifits every one in the area in including the animals hunted.
Possums a plenty where i live. The buggers keep stealing my tomatoes. I grow 10 bushes I have to put aside 5 for them. LOL
If DEPaW where to be given more money to bait the foxes in our forrest possums would be plentiful.
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agree Big John.If it was
agree Big John.
If it was legal, sanctioned and humane then what is the problem?
Just like the 2 swimmers at the last Games, who were punished for putting a picture on Facebook of them holding LEGAL LICENCED FIREARMS!
I never understood what they were punished for and also wondered how the rest of the shooting teams felt about it?
All I can say is Im glad not to be a "celebrity" and hence can tell someone like this the "f++k right off and mind your own business" in this situation.
Ive no interest in McGrath, cricket or big game hunting either for that matter but itother people have the right to indulge if its legal.
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Cats
I'd love to see what would happen to these people that cry foul any time an animals life is taken if they were stuck in the bush. I think they just need to harden up and accept that animals die and it is acceptable when done respectfully and responsibly.
What isn't acceptable is the 23million domestic and wild cats that are the cause of many species of native animals to become extinct and are currently pushing many more to the brink! If you own a cat and and don't keep it in a cat run, you are worse than any bloke who has shot an elephant on a game reserve. The keeping of cats in Australia should be outlawed and a bounty should be offered on their skins, domestic or feral.
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Yep
and don't get me started on them feeding cats tuna, pilchards etc. When would they ever catch fish in the wild?
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Finally we agree BJ... Kill
Finally we agree BJ...
Kill a cat and save a fish, bird, lizard etc
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Yeah kill a cat
cause they kill rabbits
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As sharp as ever OW... You
As sharp as ever OW...
You must be thinking i'm some sort of greeny eh?
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Agreed every man to his own.
Agreed every man to his own. What's the difference between killing a cray, dhufish, elephant etc and all legal and sanctionedand all the meat would have been donated to locals. Besides the amount of good he has done for breast cancer research. Maxxeman what have you done to help the world
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I agree with you big john
I agree with you big john ,they should stand up and be counted
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Lot of misinformation out
Lot of misinformation out there - trophy hunting has overall benefits to the preservation of the species (funds used to prevent poaching that would not otherwise happen). That being said I wouldn't shoot an elephant myself under any circs but that's just me.
Some woman rang the radio station this morning and commented on 1000lb marlin being dragged into the air and asphyxiated and then if their lucky put out of their misery by having their head bashed in again misinformation as a vast majority are released unharmed
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Not that I hunt anymore
But used to in my youth in Africa.
It is controlled and is legal. If its your passion to hunt and you do it legally what is the issue. The cost of a trophy Elephant would be up there knowing the price off a warthog etc I saw on a Foxtel program about the legal hunting and benefits to endangered animals.
FFS people out there focus on way more important issues.
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Zim
Was over in Zimbabwe last October and in one national park the elephant numbers had got out of control, the damage they do to the landscape is something that needs to be seen to be believed, they are extremely destructive.
Having said that, not sure I could put a bullet in one, but could understand that if the govt sanctioned it on the fact that they need to be culled to maintain eco balance, then fair bump, play on.
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What I didn't like
him saying was that he was going through a very hard time with his wife dying of cancer, well I watched my late husband for the last 6weeks of his life dying, I didn't grab a rifle and go shoot a elephant. I could have shot a few frecking doctors though.
I couldn't pick up a rifle and shoot a magnificient elephant, as in some areas they are saving the ellies from poachers, taking out the poison arrow, filling the wound full of a type of mud with antibiotics in them and are then monitored for about 3 weeks to make sure they fully recover.
Yes some areas of Africa allow culling of elephants as they can be destructive with the eco balance, the meat is distributed to villages, nothing goes to waste , I just hope the tusks are destroyed. I don't knock anybody hunting for food to feed their families, same with fishing.
To not donate to his charity I think is stupid, as he does do so much for Cancer research. Glenn did a stupid thing, posing with his trophies.
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when will the muppets protest or get upset
about humans killing themselves, maybe a vigil is needed for the elephant!
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I couldn't give a toss about
I couldn't give a toss about McGrath and what he does in his personal life, maybe he should have been a bit more discerning. But I cannot see the reasoning of your comments regarding the Bali duo BJ? Yep they were peddling drugs and deserve to be locked up for 20 years but please don't tell me you seriously advocate the murder of those young blokes over there? We all fuck up in our lives and they have made a mighty big one, but I do not agree with state sanctioned murder. Those Indos make up their own rules as they go along especially this new president. I can bet my last dollar all those baying for their blood would not have the balls to pull the trigger. Yeah yeah they new the consequences blah blah doesn't make what's about to happen right. Too late now anyway they'll be dead soon, this whole thing makes me sick in the gut. There's a major lack of human compassion in the world right now, puts a lot of people in the same standing as IS imo. BTW the Indos do all they can to save their citizens from death row in other countrys but take offence when we do all we can to save ours.
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Ringleaders
Ringleaders in a trafficking operation, bang bang I reckon. Should happen in Oz as well but that's just my opinion.
They knew exactly what they were doing and ruined 7 other peoples lives in the process, not to mention those who would have O'd on the gear back in Oz.
No compassion from me Andy, sorry mate.
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No need to apologise BJ if
No need to apologise BJ if that's the way you truly feel. I just hope that no one close to you or I ever gets stung up there with this type of scenario. Those Indos are snakes in the grass and life is cheap to them. As far as ruining 7 other lives they were just as complicit, heroin or any other drug will never be stamped out on the planet where there's a market. So what's the point of killing these blokes. I feel for the Balinese too they will be the one's to cop the backlash.
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Surprised
I would be very surprised if there is more than a negligible dip in Aussie tourism to Bali, even if the executions go ahead.
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You're probably right, the
You're probably right, the apathy in most people is astounding. Especially if it's going to hit the hip pocket. Like I said the Balinese don't deserve the grief so hopefully you are right.
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Have to agree with BJ on this
Have to agree with BJ on this one (Dont worry, I cant believe it either!) No compassion at all for those Bali guys. Do the crime, do the time. I actually think there is too much compassion around the place when it comes to these kinds of matters.
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prince William shot a buff in
prince William shot a buff in Africa on a guided hunt.
if some rich yank wants to shoot an elephant for $20,000 then that's added value to that elephant, and locals see it as such. otherwise it's just a crop raiding dangerous pest better off dead. controlled hunting has it's arguments. not completely a black/white issue.
me, I'd never do it.
but I'd look more into the issue first before forming a knee-jerk emotive decision.
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agree monksey id not be
agree monksey
id not be interested in shooting an elephant myself, but I can understand if its done legally with benefits to both the elephant population control and the local peoples why not
we would get pissed off if other countrys told us not to shoot roos or foxes etc
as for the bali nine guys , ?? well they ''did know ''they where in another country where the rules are dam harsh , its not like this is the first time this has happened , remember barlow and chambers ?? hung overseas for drug trafficking ,
yes you feel sorry for the blokes and their familys , but how about feeling sorry for all the poor miserable bastards who would have took the gear they where selling and may have died from it ?/what about the young ones who die from pills popped at music events etc etc ??? tragic and needless loss of life , we accept it , cause we are getting soft on all social crime here
our gov has very little business telling Indonesia how they should manage their internal affairs and laws ...........how would the average ozzie like the indons to tell us what our law should be etc etc ???
nah , Indonesia has its own soveriegn law, visitors should respect it or accept the consequnces thats what we expect,
Australians expect all overseas visitors to respect our law and culture , we should not be interfering in theirs whether we agree or not
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we should not be interfering
we should not be interfering in theirs whether we agree or not
Don't agree Hezzy, so we aren't allowed a voice? We are not interffering just voicing our objection to a politicaly motivated posture. They are only too happy to accept our aid and money when it suits them. Remember they also thumb their noses at us when we ask for help with people smugglers etc. They do what suits them.
And the poor miserable bastards you refer to who take the gear have a choice mate, no one is forcing a needle upon them or pills down their mouths. I will educate my boys as much as I can the stupidity of drug taking, I also constantly show them the news articles of the young blokes who wrap themselves around trees while being idiots in their cars.
Like I said this is about basic human compassion not letting them of the hook, Yep they are shithead drug dealers and deserve punishment not a firing squad.
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its all about choice ,
its all about choice , we have a voice & it should be low key and diplomatic , not full on in the media trying to pressure their gov , our social media might work here , but there it will only get these blokes hanged as their gov diggs in with defiance
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-24/judge-dismisses-bali-nine-pairs-application-president-clemency/6253042
these people knew the shite they faced if caught , they did it anyway , there not kids, they chose to take that risk against the risk ,
the buck stops with them
personally im embarressed by the antics of a lot of aussies in indonesia, we think we are a gift to them &that entitles us to force our views on them and their laws , and behave badlly in their country and tell them what to do
newsflash it doesnt , and we should not do it , we should when visiting their abide by ''their law '' and respect their soverignty
us giving thme aid or assylum seeker issues are not linked to their laws on drugs , nor should they be imho
you choose to follow your values in life , and dont like it if your ''lectured '' on your behavoiur and choose to have your own view etc , why should a sovereign country and gov be any different ??
its not our place to change indonesia in this way , our job is to stop australians from making these choices at home in the first place , get our citizens to wake up the soft line we take on this shite that only encourages it with soft penaltys
that my view , and im not asking it to be yours ,
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Well said Hezzy
Good sound logical post.
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grown up as a hunter
But couldn't put a bullet in an elephant.
Can't see the sport in that.
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if its legal and ethical- go for it.
Had two great trips to Zimbabwe , some areas are thick with game. Most ranches are now protecting there native animals for the occasional old bull to be taken out be a rich tourist, good on them. the poachers that fill a rhino up with ak47 rounds for it horn are the problem. I would love to get a Kudu one day -they are bloody huge (tiger fishing aint bad there as well!).
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Soy lattes.....
Please leave soy lattes out of this one....I've never seen a soy latte harm or do no evil to people... Decaf... Now that's some evil shit.
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well it seems to be
well it seems to be happening....quite said if you ask me! i still dont get why schappelle got off, and why some of the bali 9 got off, but some didnt (and there is one of the mules still on death row....). whats the difference? because some were mules and some werent? they were all in it for the cash.
whether or not those two should face the firing squad, i find it hard that some people are so pro it on here, cause we should respect indo law etc etc....when indo law lets a terrosit walk free after half of his sentance that was responsible for constructing the bali bombs.....i cant connect the lines on that one.
anyway just my opinion and no i am not having a personal dig at somone.
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the media muppetts will be sorry when their gone
They will have to look for real news
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Indonesia my not function as we would like it too
However, as been said a number of times above it is a sovereign country, and what it is, is what it is, live with it. If you don't like it don't go there.
What worries me is just where our shirt fronting PM may say and do.
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i dont go there anymore, i
i dont go there anymore, i dont support the country. I lost my uncle due to terrorism and IMO the country needs a serious change in laws to consider me putting my hard earned money into their economy.
While i do believe the bali 9 new the consequences and are complete fools for it, i just cant see how the terroist doesnt get the firing squad and they do. to be honest, death by firing squad is pretty inhumane as well.
moove on.
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Thanks Terboz, someone at
Thanks Terboz, someone at least sees my point.
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Terrorist
That terrorist should have been displayed on a tall tree via a short rope. Releasing him was a disgrace!
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you might not go there anymore
but it won't stop 99.9 %
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Ghanaian bloke also on the
Ghanaian bloke also on the hit list apparently only had 50 grams on him in Jakarta and most probably would’ve got off if he initially slipped some coin in the coppers pocket .. it’s the corruption and hypocrisy that goes against the grain for me .. if the govt and coppers weren’t on the take it wouldn’t be such a bitter pill to swallow .
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Are we about to enter a tit for tat game
If our good leader goes and upsets the Indos by putting some sort of ban on them just what do you think is going to come back.
Something like stick your beef and wheat up your jumper and don't even think about flying over our air space.
I really hope we are not about to take a journey down a slippery slope for two convicted drug dealers.
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personally i think indo
personally i think indo should cop it not for the drug smuggler more so for, the 90 odd people who died in the bali bombings......dont have anytime for that country and boy i hope i dont get sent there for work again
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Danny green nailed it
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